None of those are production level prints. They're all special promos/rewards. Such production was exempt from the print run based on the original phrasing of the reserved list (the whole point of the announcement linked above). Regardless, such re-printing does not allow a card to be legal in modern; which, again, was the intended point of the comparison made.
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Every time I log in I check the number of browsers for the formats on this site. Modern is more than twice Legacy on average. It is not a close comparison any more. Modern has many more people logging in to check out what is new. This is not my opinion. It is just the way things are.
And on The Source, Legacy usually has 200 users or so online while Modern has under 5.
Also, why are Legacy enthusiasts stout in their support of the format? Why are they vitriolic toward Modern? Why do they compare apples to oranges?
They fear the heck out of Modern.
Legacy enthusiasts are also stout in their support for the format because, by and large, they really, really like it. There's an enthusiasm deficit--people will remember that term from past U.S. presidential elections--in Modern and that has very real implications. Vitriol can come from all kinds of sources, not just fear.
A format is more than the collection of Tier 1 decks that inhabit it.
My small-town area LGS had a Legacy tournament a couple weeks ago, and out of the blue we had 16 people show up. There was one guy with foiled out Burning Tendrils, about 5 other real-ish decks, a few people on suboptimal Burn lists, and some guys who showed up just because Legacy was their kitchen-table format and that's what they had decks for. These particular people don't show up for Standard.
Never underestimate the allure of "you can play anything". It doesn't necessarily seem that way on the 5K circuits, but Legacy as a format is bigger than the 5K's. They make it monetarily valuable to play and trade Legacy cards, but they are not the alpha and omega of Legacy play.
We tried to have a Modern tournament a week prior to that, and I showed up (I have my complaints with that format, but am totally willing to casually play it), but we couldn't fire it, coming up one short. The kitchen-table players showing up, as they did for Legacy, would have made the difference.
Legacy wont die unless the rich players who have all the old cards stop playing. You want to play legacy? Fork out the big bucks so you can get the high dollar cards for the best decks. Poor folk like me cant afford to play legacy because of the damn reserve list preventing some of the key legcay cards from ever seeing the light of day. Hell I would play legacy and do quite well in it if i had the forces of will. To bad those will never see the light of day either.
Sometimes it's a matter of timing rather than wealth. For example, I just happened to buy a set of FoW for ~$20 (some time ago now!) along with very cheap duals, and some other things similarly cheap by today's standards.
And I will freely admit, this is one of the reasons I'm drawn to Legacy over Modern. Some might lack the discretionary income, and/or a relevant card-acquiring history, to be so drawn, and therefore might simply move along to another format (or more than one, of course).
I think Modern also looks like a lot of fun, incidentally. FWIW.
Poor folk like me cant afford to play legacy because of the damn reserve list preventing some of the key legcay cards from ever seeing the light of day.
I just recently got into MTG and when I was deciding which format to get into I took a look at prices too. Taking standard out of the equation (because rotating sucks, I like working on my deck for very long periods of time), there was a not a large difference between the prices of modern decks and legacy decks. So I am not sure how you can make the statement that you can't afford legacy yet are able to afford modern. The reserve list doesn't isn't even relevant to your post (when you talked about FoWs) because force of will isn't even on the reserve list.
EDIT : Of course, legacy is so much fun so there was no question for me which format to get into, but just saying..
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And on The Source, Legacy usually has 200 users or so online while Modern has under 5.
The Source is "Your Source for Legacy". The Modern forums only exist there because the Legacy players who frequent the site requested it. By contrast, Salvation is essentially neutral in this sense.
Legacy enthusiasts are also stout in their support for the format because, by and large, they really, really like it. There's an enthusiasm deficit--people will remember that term from past U.S. presidential elections--in Modern and that has very real implications. Vitriol can come from all kinds of sources, not just fear.
Yes it can. And it does come from fear in this case. <-not scientifically provable, perhaps. But I experience it myself. I would be unlikely to play the game at with any real enthusiasm in any other format.
Modern has nothing to do with Legacy, Modern is a bigger Standard. Look at worlds, what was big in standard? Bant Hexproof, UWR Flash and Jund Midrange.
What was big in modern? GW Bogles, UWR Control (with cliques, snappies and restos) and GB midrange (literally nicknamed bolt-less jund). It's big standard, not little legacy.
Modern is comparitive to standard and in that regard, it rocks. I just wish i could have stoneforge and the blossom....
Legacy is a beautiful format, but i will never sink money into a deck, when instead i could buy my son his first car.
This confuses me. All this talk about Legacy being so overpriced, now talking about a car? You guys have it wrong.
Yes, there are decks that cost LARGE amounts. I am building lands right now so I know this. But my plan is to have the deck finished this time next year. Putting away money, grabbing things cheap over time. But that's one very extreme example.
Flip the coin and you see Burn, Dredge, Merfolk, All Spells, Cheerios, Mono green elves and more if you dig. At no point do you need to spend the amount of money that would be required for a good second hand car to play the format.
Legacy is not that expensive if you want to pass on the flashy decks and grab something small to start with. Hell I started a very long time ago with a deck I bought off a mate for 20 bucks.
Legacy wont die unless the rich players who have all the old cards stop playing. You want to play legacy? Fork out the big bucks so you can get the high dollar cards for the best decks. Poor folk like me cant afford to play legacy because of the damn reserve list preventing some of the key legcay cards from ever seeing the light of day. Hell I would play legacy and do quite well in it if i had the forces of will. To bad those will never see the light of day either.
You could sell off one of your decks or trade excess cards/sell to a store for credit and get forces. I quit the game about 6 years ago and sold all my stuff and after starting again and playing standard, I felt the urge to play legacy again. So I've just slowly started buying and trading for legacy cards. Unless you have a lot of disposable income, it takes some time to build a deck for legacy. If you really want to play legacy, you can find a way to acquire the cards you need to build a deck.
A burn deck placed 3rd @ SCG Atlanta, and burn has never been an expensive deck to build.
A burn deck placed 3rd? What decks was that deck playing against where Leyline of Sanctity was not sided in? I started playing in 2005 and really had no interest in legacy or things of legacy. I played standard. Now if i could go back in time i would buy forces for 20$ and I would buy show and tells and all the dual lands and I would have a good legacy base. Too bad i did not!
To be fair, the players aren't often rich. I make a ~$60k before taxes; cut that by about 35-40% after. I'm hardly "rolling in it." It's easy to afford casual because a deck costs $10; but let's not exaggerate and say that people are rich if they play legacy.
I've played 40k for about half a decade and that's easily as expensive or more so than legacy. Each model is between $1-$5 before you include tanks or independent chars, metal models, etc; and I have hundreds of the damn things.
That was stuff I bought while making Sandwiches/Flipping Burgers/Washing Dishes while travelling 20 miles a few times a week for college and paying rent; with only 25-30 hours a week.
Had 40k money been spent on Mtg I'd literally have all of the dual lands, the other $50-100 land staples, forces, etc.. probably Jaces and such as well. EDIT: And I mean at today's prices; not the prices then.
Even then? A good quarter of the legacy players I know proxy or borrow nearly *everything* while they save up; and they play almost every week. They aren't rich either as you can imagine.
EDIT: Decided to look it up. The price of a child for a year is about $4200. If you hold off on having a kid for *three months*, you can afford some of the most expensive legacy decks (or 3-7 cheaper ones.) If you hold off for a year you can buy *the entire format* (by this I mean all the duals, forces, SFM package, tutor packages, confidants, lily and jace, etc..not a playset of Candelabras, every $120 Pox-only card, etc.) I realize that's an odd way to look at it, but financials are always weird to look at if you're making life decisions. The point is; you can easily have both were that argument to come up.
I believe that Legacy is currently exactly the way it should be.
Currently Legacy prices have risen quite a bit, but not to points that make it impossible to get into. Lots of people don't just buy into Legacy as soon as they start playing magic as the rules are much more complex than they are in say, Standard or Modern.
Since I started playing magic I have been getting better, and at the same time turning from a standard player into a Modern/Legacy player, and as I have I have been slowly increasing the amount I am willing to spend on the game.
Legacy was never deigned for the new player, and therefore the new surge of player isn't exactly killing the format. Legacy is designed for older, more experienced players that have quite a large amount to spend on the game. Sure, a playset off 100 dollar lands is expensive, but isn't nearly as expensive as getting into any other hobby. Legacy isn't really dying, just becoming more appropriate for a higher level player.
Though I do agree that legacy might not survive another 20 years, as even though players take VERY good care of their hundred dollar cards, they won't last forever as long as Pepsi and Magic are still a perfect combination.
To be fair, the players aren't often rich. I make a ~$60k before taxes; cut that by about 35-40% after. I'm hardly "rolling in it." It's easy to afford casual because a deck costs $10; but let's not exaggerate and say that people are rich if they play legacy.
I've played 40k for about half a decade and that's easily as expensive or more so than legacy. Each model is between $1-$5 before you include tanks or independent chars, metal models, etc; and I have hundreds of the damn things.
That was stuff I bought while making Sandwiches/Flipping Burgers/Washing Dishes while travelling 20 miles a few times a week for college and paying rent; with only 25-30 hours a week.
Had 40k money been spent on Mtg I'd literally have all of the dual lands, the other $50-100 land staples, forces, etc.. probably Jaces and such as well. EDIT: And I mean at today's prices; not the prices then.
Even then? A good quarter of the legacy players I know proxy or borrow nearly *everything* while they save up; and they play almost every week. They aren't rich either as you can imagine.
EDIT: Decided to look it up. The price of a child for a year is about $4200. If you hold off on having a kid for *three months*, you can afford some of the most expensive legacy decks (or 3-7 cheaper ones.) If you hold off for a year you can buy *the entire format* (by this I mean all the duals, forces, SFM package, tutor packages, confidants, lily and jace, etc..not a playset of Candelabras, every $120 Pox-only card, etc.) I realize that's an odd way to look at it, but financials are always weird to look at if you're making life decisions. The point is; you can easily have both were that argument to come up.
I agree with your statement about playing proxies, I myself am one of them. About 2 years ago, me and a group of friends started playtesting legacy twice a week, pretty much every week. We proxied everything and got a very good grasp of whats good/not good in the format. Combo, aggro, control...all archetypes have been played.
About a year ago, we all settled on "our deck" that we were going to play competitively. Selling standard cards and buying legacy cards a little at a time. Now that Im about done, I am continuing to pick up legacy and modern staples, usually trading or selling standard cards to do so.
I tell this story to bring home one important point...playing legacy is a benchmark for us, a journey if you will.. WE aren't rich, we couldnt afford dropping 3k on a legacy deck right out of the gate; however, the way we went about things made us better magic players. New players complain about how they cant afford to play eternal formats...the reality is its probably better for them anyway. Legacy is a very complex format. It requires a vast knowledge of the format to be successful. If you think you can start playing magic and immediately spend 4k on a deck and be good, you are sadly wrong.
Standard, block, limited...these are all simple formats and designed for newer players. If you play these formats for a couple years, and hold onto things instead of fire selling cards everytime you want to build something new, your collection will build up enough in that time to be able to construct a legacy deck that is competitive.
One more added note...this process started while i was in college working a part time job. Still think you gotta be rich to make legacy happen? I was making 8 bucks an hour washing cars and grinded my way to a very valuable collection.
Just wanted to say thanks to everybody here. Over the last few days I have randomly decided to get into legacy. I've always wanted to avoid playing it due to the cost and fear that legacy might die someday. However, as I've become older, my life has moved away from Magic. I barely play anymore and keeping up with standard is expensive.
I've been accumulating the exact deck I want over the last few days and couldn't be more excited. I've never played a game of legacy, but I cannot wait.
The Source is "Your Source for Legacy". The Modern forums only exist there because the Legacy players who frequent the site requested it. By contrast, Salvation is essentially neutral in this sense.
You cited browsing figures on Salvation for Legacy and Modern to prove level of interest. It's a poor comparison because Salvation is a secondary source, not a neutral point of comparison, for Legacy. It's as poor a gauge for Legacy as The Source is for Modern, as you said. You can't tout a 200:100 ratio and dismiss a 5:200 ratio, if you're going to go down that route.
Yes it can. And it does come from fear in this case. <-not scientifically provable, perhaps. But I experience it myself. I would be unlikely to play the game at with any real enthusiasm in any other format.
Fear drives Modern boosters to post in the Legacy forum on this topic.
Just saying, for everyone who is saying how horrible Modern is, you are wrong. Yes, the format has some problems. The banned list is too large (Wild Nacatl, Ponder, Preordain, Sword of the Meek, Bitterblossom, Ancestral Visions, Seething Song, Jace, the Mind Sculptor, and Golgari Grave-Troll all should come off), there are only 2 competitive control decks, and there is only 1 competitive tempo deck. But these things will be solved eventually. Cards can be unbanned and new cards can be printed. Legacy wasn't always perfect either. And despite these problems, Modern is still fun to play. Many people don't want to play in a format where Turn 1-2 wins are expected. Most people want to be able to play the game without having to deal with that. And that is what Modern is for. Modern is there as a Legacy with a lower power-level so that people who don't want to deal with incredibly fast combos and stupidly powerful answers can play in a non-rotating format. You can't expect Modern to be like Legacy, because it is not supposed to be. Let us have our format and you have yours, they exist for different reasons and are both important.
Just saying, for everyone who is saying how horrible Modern is, you are wrong. Yes, the format has some problems. The banned list is too large (Wild Nacatl, Ponder, Preordain, Sword of the Meek, Bitterblossom, Ancestral Visions, Seething Song, Jace, the Mind Sculptor, and Golgari Grave-Troll all should come off), there are only 2 competitive control decks, and there is only 1 competitive tempo deck. But these things will be solved eventually. Cards can be unbanned and new cards can be printed. Legacy wasn't always perfect either. And despite these problems, Modern is still fun to play. Many people don't want to play in a format where Turn 1-2 wins are expected. Most people want to be able to play the game without having to deal with that. And that is what Modern is for. Modern is there as a Legacy with a lower power-level so that people who don't want to deal with incredibly fast combos and stupidly powerful answers can play in a non-rotating format. You can't expect Modern to be like Legacy, because it is not supposed to be. Let us have our format and you have yours, they exist for different reasons and are both important.
You start off by saying that modern isn't horrible and then go on to list a series of faults. People aren't arguing that it's inherently flawed, they're arguing that in it's current state, it is, and you seemed to agree by your list of flaws with it.
You start off by saying that modern isn't horrible and then go on to list a series of faults. People aren't arguing that it's inherently flawed, they're arguing that in it's current state, it is, and you seemed to agree by your list of flaws with it.
As it is, it has problems. But my point is that it isn't a bad format. People here seem to think that there are unfixable flaws in the format, saying that nobody would care if SCG endorsed Modern and that Modern is just a bigger Standard. All that I am trying to say is that Modern is fun now and has greater potential than Legacy does.
As it is, it has problems. But my point is that it isn't a bad format. People here seem to think that there are unfixable flaws in the format, saying that nobody would care if SCG endorsed Modern and that Modern is just a bigger Standard. All that I am trying to say is that Modern is fun now and has greater potential than Legacy does.
I doubt people truly care which format has more potential. People want fun now. Why argue and speculate which format will be bigger in five years if they undoubtedly enjoy one of the formats more due to your own listed reasons?
If you do not want your opponent to combo on turn one or two their is a way out of such a predicament. INTERACT WITH HIM (-; If you are going to play legacy and not interact with your opponent you better be a combo deck that can go off fast.
Legacy really implies that you are going to have to do something unfair fast to win or interact with your opponent long enough to keep him from winning.
Many people don't want to play in a format where Turn 1-2 wins are expected
Do you even play Legacy? Because your post oozes out ignorance. While Turn 1 Wins happens, it happens rarely, and when they do, people have answers to it like Force of Will which is a staple in all Blue decks. Guess what, Legacy is a Blue color format. Even without FoW, pretty much every deck has some form of disruption to prevent Combo from doing its thing
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Actually there are a bunch.
Oh boy, a technical loop hole /slow_clap.
None of those are production level prints. They're all special promos/rewards. Such production was exempt from the print run based on the original phrasing of the reserved list (the whole point of the announcement linked above). Regardless, such re-printing does not allow a card to be legal in modern; which, again, was the intended point of the comparison made.
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Online they can "Reprint" Reserved cards, but even there they tend to hold back for whatever reason.
Current decks of choice:
Vintage: Shops.
Legacy: Lands.
Modern: Lantern.
And on The Source, Legacy usually has 200 users or so online while Modern has under 5.
Legacy enthusiasts are also stout in their support for the format because, by and large, they really, really like it. There's an enthusiasm deficit--people will remember that term from past U.S. presidential elections--in Modern and that has very real implications. Vitriol can come from all kinds of sources, not just fear.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/legacy-type-1-5/661941-list-of-stores-that-support-legacy
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?28892-Compilation-Of-Legacy-Streams
My small-town area LGS had a Legacy tournament a couple weeks ago, and out of the blue we had 16 people show up. There was one guy with foiled out Burning Tendrils, about 5 other real-ish decks, a few people on suboptimal Burn lists, and some guys who showed up just because Legacy was their kitchen-table format and that's what they had decks for. These particular people don't show up for Standard.
Never underestimate the allure of "you can play anything". It doesn't necessarily seem that way on the 5K circuits, but Legacy as a format is bigger than the 5K's. They make it monetarily valuable to play and trade Legacy cards, but they are not the alpha and omega of Legacy play.
We tried to have a Modern tournament a week prior to that, and I showed up (I have my complaints with that format, but am totally willing to casually play it), but we couldn't fire it, coming up one short. The kitchen-table players showing up, as they did for Legacy, would have made the difference.
And I will freely admit, this is one of the reasons I'm drawn to Legacy over Modern. Some might lack the discretionary income, and/or a relevant card-acquiring history, to be so drawn, and therefore might simply move along to another format (or more than one, of course).
I think Modern also looks like a lot of fun, incidentally. FWIW.
Says the guy boasting four Modern Decks and four Standard decks! What's the combined price tag on those eight decks?
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I just recently got into MTG and when I was deciding which format to get into I took a look at prices too. Taking standard out of the equation (because rotating sucks, I like working on my deck for very long periods of time), there was a not a large difference between the prices of modern decks and legacy decks. So I am not sure how you can make the statement that you can't afford legacy yet are able to afford modern. The reserve list doesn't isn't even relevant to your post (when you talked about FoWs) because force of will isn't even on the reserve list.
EDIT : Of course, legacy is so much fun so there was no question for me which format to get into, but just saying..
Yes it can. And it does come from fear in this case. <-not scientifically provable, perhaps. But I experience it myself. I would be unlikely to play the game at with any real enthusiasm in any other format.
Modern has nothing to do with Legacy, Modern is a bigger Standard. Look at worlds, what was big in standard? Bant Hexproof, UWR Flash and Jund Midrange.
What was big in modern? GW Bogles, UWR Control (with cliques, snappies and restos) and GB midrange (literally nicknamed bolt-less jund). It's big standard, not little legacy.
Modern is comparitive to standard and in that regard, it rocks. I just wish i could have stoneforge and the blossom....
Legacy is a beautiful format, but i will never sink money into a deck, when instead i could buy my son his first car.
Yes, there are decks that cost LARGE amounts. I am building lands right now so I know this. But my plan is to have the deck finished this time next year. Putting away money, grabbing things cheap over time. But that's one very extreme example.
Flip the coin and you see Burn, Dredge, Merfolk, All Spells, Cheerios, Mono green elves and more if you dig. At no point do you need to spend the amount of money that would be required for a good second hand car to play the format.
Legacy is not that expensive if you want to pass on the flashy decks and grab something small to start with. Hell I started a very long time ago with a deck I bought off a mate for 20 bucks.
Current decks of choice:
Vintage: Shops.
Legacy: Lands.
Modern: Lantern.
You could sell off one of your decks or trade excess cards/sell to a store for credit and get forces. I quit the game about 6 years ago and sold all my stuff and after starting again and playing standard, I felt the urge to play legacy again. So I've just slowly started buying and trading for legacy cards. Unless you have a lot of disposable income, it takes some time to build a deck for legacy. If you really want to play legacy, you can find a way to acquire the cards you need to build a deck.
A burn deck placed 3rd? What decks was that deck playing against where Leyline of Sanctity was not sided in? I started playing in 2005 and really had no interest in legacy or things of legacy. I played standard. Now if i could go back in time i would buy forces for 20$ and I would buy show and tells and all the dual lands and I would have a good legacy base. Too bad i did not!
I've played 40k for about half a decade and that's easily as expensive or more so than legacy. Each model is between $1-$5 before you include tanks or independent chars, metal models, etc; and I have hundreds of the damn things.
That was stuff I bought while making Sandwiches/Flipping Burgers/Washing Dishes while travelling 20 miles a few times a week for college and paying rent; with only 25-30 hours a week.
Had 40k money been spent on Mtg I'd literally have all of the dual lands, the other $50-100 land staples, forces, etc.. probably Jaces and such as well. EDIT: And I mean at today's prices; not the prices then.
Even then? A good quarter of the legacy players I know proxy or borrow nearly *everything* while they save up; and they play almost every week. They aren't rich either as you can imagine.
EDIT: Decided to look it up. The price of a child for a year is about $4200. If you hold off on having a kid for *three months*, you can afford some of the most expensive legacy decks (or 3-7 cheaper ones.) If you hold off for a year you can buy *the entire format* (by this I mean all the duals, forces, SFM package, tutor packages, confidants, lily and jace, etc..not a playset of Candelabras, every $120 Pox-only card, etc.) I realize that's an odd way to look at it, but financials are always weird to look at if you're making life decisions. The point is; you can easily have both were that argument to come up.
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Currently Legacy prices have risen quite a bit, but not to points that make it impossible to get into. Lots of people don't just buy into Legacy as soon as they start playing magic as the rules are much more complex than they are in say, Standard or Modern.
Since I started playing magic I have been getting better, and at the same time turning from a standard player into a Modern/Legacy player, and as I have I have been slowly increasing the amount I am willing to spend on the game.
Legacy was never deigned for the new player, and therefore the new surge of player isn't exactly killing the format. Legacy is designed for older, more experienced players that have quite a large amount to spend on the game. Sure, a playset off 100 dollar lands is expensive, but isn't nearly as expensive as getting into any other hobby. Legacy isn't really dying, just becoming more appropriate for a higher level player.
Though I do agree that legacy might not survive another 20 years, as even though players take VERY good care of their hundred dollar cards, they won't last forever as long as Pepsi and Magic are still a perfect combination.
I agree with your statement about playing proxies, I myself am one of them. About 2 years ago, me and a group of friends started playtesting legacy twice a week, pretty much every week. We proxied everything and got a very good grasp of whats good/not good in the format. Combo, aggro, control...all archetypes have been played.
About a year ago, we all settled on "our deck" that we were going to play competitively. Selling standard cards and buying legacy cards a little at a time. Now that Im about done, I am continuing to pick up legacy and modern staples, usually trading or selling standard cards to do so.
I tell this story to bring home one important point...playing legacy is a benchmark for us, a journey if you will.. WE aren't rich, we couldnt afford dropping 3k on a legacy deck right out of the gate; however, the way we went about things made us better magic players. New players complain about how they cant afford to play eternal formats...the reality is its probably better for them anyway. Legacy is a very complex format. It requires a vast knowledge of the format to be successful. If you think you can start playing magic and immediately spend 4k on a deck and be good, you are sadly wrong.
Standard, block, limited...these are all simple formats and designed for newer players. If you play these formats for a couple years, and hold onto things instead of fire selling cards everytime you want to build something new, your collection will build up enough in that time to be able to construct a legacy deck that is competitive.
One more added note...this process started while i was in college working a part time job. Still think you gotta be rich to make legacy happen? I was making 8 bucks an hour washing cars and grinded my way to a very valuable collection.
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I've been accumulating the exact deck I want over the last few days and couldn't be more excited. I've never played a game of legacy, but I cannot wait.
Thanks all for convincing me to get into Legacy!
You cited browsing figures on Salvation for Legacy and Modern to prove level of interest. It's a poor comparison because Salvation is a secondary source, not a neutral point of comparison, for Legacy. It's as poor a gauge for Legacy as The Source is for Modern, as you said. You can't tout a 200:100 ratio and dismiss a 5:200 ratio, if you're going to go down that route.
Fear drives Modern boosters to post in the Legacy forum on this topic.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/legacy-type-1-5/661941-list-of-stores-that-support-legacy
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?28892-Compilation-Of-Legacy-Streams
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
You start off by saying that modern isn't horrible and then go on to list a series of faults. People aren't arguing that it's inherently flawed, they're arguing that in it's current state, it is, and you seemed to agree by your list of flaws with it.
As it is, it has problems. But my point is that it isn't a bad format. People here seem to think that there are unfixable flaws in the format, saying that nobody would care if SCG endorsed Modern and that Modern is just a bigger Standard. All that I am trying to say is that Modern is fun now and has greater potential than Legacy does.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
I doubt people truly care which format has more potential. People want fun now. Why argue and speculate which format will be bigger in five years if they undoubtedly enjoy one of the formats more due to your own listed reasons?
Legacy really implies that you are going to have to do something unfair fast to win or interact with your opponent long enough to keep him from winning.
Do you even play Legacy? Because your post oozes out ignorance. While Turn 1 Wins happens, it happens rarely, and when they do, people have answers to it like Force of Will which is a staple in all Blue decks. Guess what, Legacy is a Blue color format. Even without FoW, pretty much every deck has some form of disruption to prevent Combo from doing its thing