Im writing this article because I am sick of hearing people whine about legacy card prices. First of all, if you dont like it, you dont have to play it! Legacy is a great format as it stands. It. Boasts the largest playable card pool, since vintage, although containing a large number of cards doesnt exactly have a lot of options without FOW and the Power 9 at the core of your build. Legacy is also the collectors format. You can proxy vintage, and you can play compatetive modern and standard decks for under $150, ie-storm, tron, rdw, br zombies, etc. Legacy is the format that has value. And if your interested in playing a competetive format, and having expensive collectable cards its great. I for one think it gives the format appeal. You can actually be very excited when you get your dual lands, wastelands, FOWs etc becaus they are valuable, and they wont loose that value. having hard to obtain cards is a large part of the game. If they reprinted everything you would have tournaments with 1000 people who dont want to trade cards because nothing has value, everyone will be playing the same 4-5 decks (due to the fact the many players would kick dredge, elves, etc to the curb for a playset a candelabra of townos and play high tide, or something else that has been out of reach), there will likely be few dealers as cards have no retentive value, and a majority of the players would soon loose interest. Why do you thonk magic has such a strong player base vs cards games like yu-gi-oh.
I currently run a bug legacy deck. I have dual lands wastelands, goyfs, jaces, bobs, thoughtseizes etc. Im not rich, I didnt open my lands 20 years ago, no one gave me these cards, and I sure as heck didnt steal them. I traded the only peice of power 9 I ever owned for my bobs and goyfs. I baught my wastelands with my leftover money from college financial aid, I spent months saving money and selling cards for my dual lands. The thoughtseizes cost me many of my best standard cards, and my fetch lands were aquired by trading in over 100 modern and standard duals. My point is legacy is not a rich persons format. It is a format for people who love the game, love the card value, and do everything they can to get into it. I treasure my deck. I love playing it, looking at the cards and thinking about what it cost me to get it. I have tremendous pride for this deck, and a story behind obtaining every card in it.
I want to back up my reasons for claiming legacy is the ultimate format. First of all we have the largest viable card pool. Second of all we have the most varience in deck choices. Legacy is a format where home brews can be viable, and where theres no BIG 10 decks. I could name 20-30 decks of the top of my head that have made it to the finals in just the last few legacy tourneys. Legacy is also the format for all deck types. There are combo decks: elves, high tide, TES, show and tell, sneak and show, omni-tell, goblins, dredge etc. Then there are aggro decks: Jund, zoo, delver, zombies, RDW, merfolk etc. We also have midrange: Bug, Jund, Esper stone blade, occasionally elves, Rug, etc. Finally we Have control: Bug, Muc, Merfolk, Faeries, UB, and many others. By the way I just named 24 viable competative decks in the format. Also this is the format for collecting, stable card prices, valuable cards, extremely rare cards, and just the widest range of cards. Legacy is also the skilled players format. In the words of many pro players, "Legacy is the format where you will win or loose the majority of your matches based purely on your skill level." Legacy is the brewers format. I don't think anyone would argue that since it is obvious it contains all the cards, and deck variences. Legacy is a fun format. You dont have to go to an even and have 50% of your matches be vs jund, or bant in standard. You actually might go to an event and play every single round against a different deck!
If you want to play a cheap format you can! If you cant afford legacy power cards, play elves, goblins, or dredge. The fact of the matter is having 1 of the 4 main formats contain expensive collectable cards that dont loose value, is part of what makes the game good! If you disagree with me you have 75% of the game to play 3/4ths of the formats to get involved with, and 99% of the cards to experiment with, so why diss the people who worked hard to get cards for the 25% of the game that they enjoy.
GIANT WALL OF TEXT. In the future, please try to use paragraphs.
First of all, complaining about a format's prices is not the same as complaining about the format. I think Legacy's great; however, I won't play it because of the pricing.
Second of all, Legacy will eventually die to the reserved list. You may argue with me, but it's really a matter of when, not if. Prices are already skyrocketing, and in 20 years, the number of cards on the list that have not disintegrated will be minimal.
Third of all, WotC will be loathe to support Legacy with Modern in the mix. Modern as a format was created to be a new Legacy where Wizards can control card reprints. Wizards has no plans of officially supporting a format they cannot regulate.
It is for these above reasons that I play Modern over Legacy. While Legacy is interesting, it is too expensive and frankly, not future-oriented enough to deserve my time and $$$.
Sorry about the massive text block a wrote the entire article on my tiny phone keypad and didny bother to seperate paragraphs or proof read. I will try to do so in the future. Also to the first comment is sounds strangely close to a star city article posted today. Anyways no one can argue legacy will be out eventually but I would say there is a good 10 years left. I dont see any cards going extinct any time soon especially not many of the well kept/preserved legacy cards. Many who quit the game or move formats are likely to sell there expensive cards in the process adding to the attainable cardpool.
GIANT WALL OF TEXT. In the future, please try to use paragraphs.
Second of all, Legacy will eventually die to the reserved list. You may argue with me, but it's really a matter of when, not if. Prices are already skyrocketing, and in 20 years, the number of cards on the list that have not disintegrated will be minimal.
I have many Legacy staples that are nearly 20 years old and look very close to pack fresh. The same can be said for many people who play Legacy. Why in another 20 years would those cards suddenly disintegrate?
It's true that the format is very cost prohibitive to get into. But what about those who already have the staples? Why would we stop playing the best format (yes, best is subjective but most Legacy players I've talked to share this opinion) because of rising costs? The costs are irrelevant to us. Legacy may be largely closed to newer players but those of us who bought in when cards are cheap will continue to enjoy this awesome format regardless of the financial restrictions of people who can't afford to buy in now.
tl;dr Legacy isn't going to die just because you can't afford to play it.
I have many Legacy staples that are nearly 20 years old and look very close to pack fresh. The same can be said for many people who play Legacy. Why in another 20 years would those cards suddenly disintegrate?
It's true that the format is very cost prohibitive to get into. But what about those who already have the staples? Why would we stop playing the best format (yes, best is subjective but most Legacy players I've talked to share this opinion) because of rising costs? The costs are irrelevant to us. Legacy may be largely closed to newer players but those of us who bought in when cards are cheap will continue to enjoy this awesome format regardless of the financial restrictions of people who can't afford to buy in now.
tl;dr Legacy isn't going to die just because you can't afford to play it.
Yes, you may take very good care of your cards. But you are also someone who is planning on keeping your Legacy staples. The fact is, there are a fixed number of Legacy staples, which only can and will decrease day-by-day.
A living format, as well as one that Wizards will choose to support is one that can grow, not shrink. Your myopic view of a limited number of people playing with their cards into the infinite future is one that cannot be sustained. The power nine are prohibitively expensive, and that is because in part, they had one less printing. In the long run, one extra printing isn't that important.
Revised is 18 years old, and there are far less duals now than there were then. In 20 years, there will be far less than there are now. If Magic hasn't died in 20 years, there will be far more Magic players than there are today.
Maybe you believe that you and your Legacy buddies will continue to play Legacy into the distant future, as you grow to be an extremely small statistical part of the Magic-playing community. I believe that what does not grow dies, as will Legacy (assuming the reserved list is not abolished).
Second of all, Legacy will eventually die to the reserved list. You may argue with me, but it's really a matter of when, not if. Prices are already skyrocketing, and in 20 years, the number of cards on the list that have not disintegrated will be minimal.
Stasis players like me are like those old gray haired convicts that have been locked up for 40 years straight. You can take us in a fight but you know you'll lose a testicle in the process of winning.
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DreadstillURW
BelcherGR
Death and Taxes W
Enchantress GWR
BUILDING
Legacy Lands GBRUW
I'll never tell you the flavor text of Teferi's Imp!!
I have no clue why people think staples will last for ever. as above poster said, they will and can only decrease. Want proof? I own all the fetches/duals. I havent played paper legacy in a year. I took a playset of all the reserved list staples from the market and dont use them. There you have it. at least -4 have disappered from the card pool.
I play modern now, strictly because it will grow and will gain support and players over the years. I don't want to be that 2-3 guys at my store talking about the vintage days and sad they cant do anything with their power.
I have many Legacy staples that are nearly 20 years old and look very close to pack fresh. The same can be said for many people who play Legacy. Why in another 20 years would those cards suddenly disintegrate?
It's true that the format is very cost prohibitive to get into. But what about those who already have the staples? Why would we stop playing the best format (yes, best is subjective but most Legacy players I've talked to share this opinion) because of rising costs? The costs are irrelevant to us. Legacy may be largely closed to newer players but those of us who bought in when cards are cheap will continue to enjoy this awesome format regardless of the financial restrictions of people who can't afford to buy in now.
tl;dr Legacy isn't going to die just because you can't afford to play it.
And when we're all dead and gone?
The narrow mindedness and selfishness of the human race never seizes to amaze me.
If Legacy doesn't get new people into the format, then eventually this closed group or "elite" members is going to either die or get tired of playing or both.
But it's pointless to even attempt to bring some reality into this conversation because the folks living in their ivory towers aren't going to come out of them any time soon.
And yes, before you ask, I play Legacy and have the card pool.
Which is more than I can say for 99% of the people playing Magic in my area.
I have no clue why people think staples will last for ever. as above poster said, they will and can only decrease. Want proof? I own all the fetches/duals. I havent played paper legacy in a year. I took a playset of all the reserved list staples from the market and dont use them. There you have it. at least -4 have disappered from the card pool.
I play modern now, strictly because it will grow and will gain support and players over the years. I don't want to be that 2-3 guys at my store talking about the vintage days and sad they cant do anything with their power.
-40 out of ~1 million duals is not statistically significant, and your story is offset by my buddy who found his old collection of duals and sold them on eBay. Anecdotes are fun.
Now I totally agree that Legacy won't grow, and EVENTUALLY will be unplayable because as you stated people will die/stop playing. Sad reality, I too wish they would abolish the reserved list. I don't see this happening for some time though. Eventually MtG as a whole will die!
Steve, I respect your opinion, but I don't think I'm being elitist here. I don't want Legacy to be unaffordable. I wish WotC could take the stance they're taking with Modern and apply it to the Legacy card pool, but it's not going to happen, and as such I'm being realistic. It's too expensive for people to jump in. Many people have the cards already. Legacy has always been a closed format. The reserved list was created 16 years ago and legacy has been around for less than 10. There were plenty of staples to support a healthy (albeit limited) scene. I doubt destruction of cards will be an issue as most people who play Legacy are acutely aware of the value of their cards.
I think its narrow minded to assume that ther will never ever be a card printed that will see play in the legacy format. So whos to say that in 1, 5, 10 years from now or whatever, that there wont be all new legacy cards from now sets. Whos to say there wont be a better fow, or a more viable land base? We just dont know. But what we do know is that every set evolves the format. How can anyone say it will die. Did legacy not just get abrupt decay and deathrite shamon and before that, avacyn miracles, geist of st. Traft, zendikar fetch lands, and emrakul. That fact is every set changes legacy and replaces 1or 2 old staples with new ones. Maybe 5 years from now we will all be playing a legacy format with cards no older than zendikar.
Secondly you cant have a trading card game without value, if every card was worth 10 cents today, we would have no cads dealers, no traders, no shops. How do you think card shops stay in business. A local card shop in my area sells board games, pokemon, yugioh and magic. However if you look behind there cases and you ask them how they make money its magic cards. Its not 5 cent yugioh cards, 15 dollar board games, Its mtg dual lands, power nine, fow, thoughtseize, goyf, etc. Thats what keeps the game going. And like I said im not rich. Im a collage student who lives on my own and pays my bills on a 9 $ an hour salery
-40 out of ~1 million duals is not statistically significant, and your story is offset by my buddy who found his old collection of duals and sold them on eBay. Anecdotes are fun.
Now I totally agree that Legacy won't grow, and EVENTUALLY will be unplayable because as you stated people will die/stop playing. Sad reality, I too wish they would abolish the reserved list. I don't see this happening for some time though. Eventually MtG as a whole will die!
Steve, I respect your opinion, but I don't think I'm being elitist here. I don't want Legacy to be unaffordable. I wish WotC could take the stance they're taking with Modern and apply it to the Legacy card pool, but it's not going to happen, and as such I'm being realistic. It's too expensive for people to jump in. Many people have the cards already. Legacy has always been a closed format. The reserved list was created 16 years ago and legacy has been around for less than 10. There were plenty of staples to support a healthy (albeit limited) scene. I doubt destruction of cards will be an issue as most people who play Legacy are acutely aware of the value of their cards.
So why were you so antagonistic to me? My two points were
1. Legacy is expensive. This is one reason why I won't personally play.
2. Magic may not die for another 50-100+ years, especially if it keeps growing at the way it has. Legacy will die in 20, and perhaps in all but name in 5 or 10.
1 is a personal anecdote. 2 is a general statement. Completely unrelated to each other.
I disagree. There are many times the number of duals as there are pieces of power in existence.
And if Magic is still alive in 10 years' time, there will be many times the number of players, and a significantly less number of duals. What does not grow, dies. As soon as Magic stops taking in new players, it will die - same for Legacy.
In the words of an American patriot "Give me Legacy, or give me death"!
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DredgeGBRU
AffinityXRUB
GoblinsRWB
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BurnR
DreadstillURW
BelcherGR
Death and Taxes W
Enchantress GWR
BUILDING
Legacy Lands GBRUW
I'll never tell you the flavor text of Teferi's Imp!!
So why were you so antagonistic to me? My two points were
I apologize, I did not intend to personally attack you. You just happen to be voicing sentiments that are often repeated, which I disagree with. Again, nothing personal.
And about your assumption that there will be many times the number of players: I'm not so sure. I think Magic is at a peak currently. Not to say it won't stay this way, or grow some more, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect that the level of growth seen in the past few years will continue indefinitely.
I apologize, I did not intend to personally attack you. You just happen to be voicing sentiments that are often repeated, which I disagree with. Again, nothing personal.
And about your assumption that there will be many times the number of players: I'm not so sure. I think Magic is at a peak currently. Not to say it won't stay this way, or grow some more, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect that the level of growth seen in the past few years will continue indefinitely.
I disagree, Magic seems very popular in Beijing but unknown in other Chiniese cities. It's likely to expand a good deal in this country, I think.
Second of all, Legacy will eventually die to the reserved list. You may argue with me, but it's really a matter of when, not if. Prices are already skyrocketing, and in 20 years, the number of cards on the list that have not disintegrated will be minimal.
Third of all, WotC will be loathe to support Legacy with Modern in the mix. Modern as a format was created to be a new Legacy where Wizards can control card reprints. Wizards has no plans of officially supporting a format they cannot regulate.
How do you know the reserve list will last 20 year? 20 years is a completely made up number and the rate which dual lands are being destroyed is minimal. Back when Alpha and Beta was printed, black lotuses were destroyed like nothing but as cards became more expensive people cherished them more. The dual land supply will probably be the same in 20 years.
Also Modern is not "New Legacy". Wizards outright said that it was not designed to replace Legacy. That's why a vanilla 3/3 and even slightly fun cards are banned.
A lot of straight up haters on this thread. The writing could have used better structure, but a heartfelt plea for the validity of Legacy as a whole. Kudos!
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If legacy ever does come close to dying, then wizards would probably do away with the reserved list since the purpose of it is to protect prices from plummeting which is what would happen if it did die.
I play legacy and most of the cards I have are by trading modern/standard staples and by playing budget by playing shocks over duals. Not ideal, but it'll do. The absolute worst case is that legacy changes and people play 'budgeted' versions of decks by playing shocks and things like that instead of duals.
Besides, there are many modern decks more expensive than legacy decks. Like you said, price matters and if it's just as cheap to buy a good legacy deck than to buy a modern deck, why not?
I'm also sure they are well aware of this situation and are seeing how modern masters does and how it affects the prices of certain cards. I can easily see them putting out Legacy Masters next year or the year after.
I am nt sure that Legacy is the "Ultimate" format, but i do belive it is a rather good one. It has more interactions and more cards avalable to it then any other... outside of vintage possibly.
And when it comes to entering legacy, i only started playing around loywan and i only started playing legacy around a year and a half ago. Most of my cards i either had or traded for and the few i bought have been played a lot. It may just be how i have gone about it but for the deck i have and for some of the cards i have, i have spent way less then i would have ever expected.
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I'm getting my cousins into Legacy. I need a ride to my once a month Legacy tournaments at Millennium Games and they need decks to play. I'm teaching them how to play since the decks are a little more advanced than the Commander decks and casual stuff they play. They got access to all my cards as long as I get them back, and if they win they can keep them. I just want to play.
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Stasis players like me are like those old gray haired convicts that have been locked up for 40 years straight. You can take us in a fight but you know you'll lose a testicle in the process of winning.
Decks I play
Legacy
Dredge 0
DredgeGBRU
AffinityXRUB
GoblinsRWB
10 land StompyG
BurnR
DreadstillURW
BelcherGR
Death and Taxes W
Enchantress GWR
BUILDING
Legacy Lands GBRUW
I'll never tell you the flavor text of Teferi's Imp!!
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I currently run a bug legacy deck. I have dual lands wastelands, goyfs, jaces, bobs, thoughtseizes etc. Im not rich, I didnt open my lands 20 years ago, no one gave me these cards, and I sure as heck didnt steal them. I traded the only peice of power 9 I ever owned for my bobs and goyfs. I baught my wastelands with my leftover money from college financial aid, I spent months saving money and selling cards for my dual lands. The thoughtseizes cost me many of my best standard cards, and my fetch lands were aquired by trading in over 100 modern and standard duals. My point is legacy is not a rich persons format. It is a format for people who love the game, love the card value, and do everything they can to get into it. I treasure my deck. I love playing it, looking at the cards and thinking about what it cost me to get it. I have tremendous pride for this deck, and a story behind obtaining every card in it.
I want to back up my reasons for claiming legacy is the ultimate format. First of all we have the largest viable card pool. Second of all we have the most varience in deck choices. Legacy is a format where home brews can be viable, and where theres no BIG 10 decks. I could name 20-30 decks of the top of my head that have made it to the finals in just the last few legacy tourneys. Legacy is also the format for all deck types. There are combo decks: elves, high tide, TES, show and tell, sneak and show, omni-tell, goblins, dredge etc. Then there are aggro decks: Jund, zoo, delver, zombies, RDW, merfolk etc. We also have midrange: Bug, Jund, Esper stone blade, occasionally elves, Rug, etc. Finally we Have control: Bug, Muc, Merfolk, Faeries, UB, and many others. By the way I just named 24 viable competative decks in the format. Also this is the format for collecting, stable card prices, valuable cards, extremely rare cards, and just the widest range of cards. Legacy is also the skilled players format. In the words of many pro players, "Legacy is the format where you will win or loose the majority of your matches based purely on your skill level." Legacy is the brewers format. I don't think anyone would argue that since it is obvious it contains all the cards, and deck variences. Legacy is a fun format. You dont have to go to an even and have 50% of your matches be vs jund, or bant in standard. You actually might go to an event and play every single round against a different deck!
If you want to play a cheap format you can! If you cant afford legacy power cards, play elves, goblins, or dredge. The fact of the matter is having 1 of the 4 main formats contain expensive collectable cards that dont loose value, is part of what makes the game good! If you disagree with me you have 75% of the game to play 3/4ths of the formats to get involved with, and 99% of the cards to experiment with, so why diss the people who worked hard to get cards for the 25% of the game that they enjoy.
First of all, complaining about a format's prices is not the same as complaining about the format. I think Legacy's great; however, I won't play it because of the pricing.
Second of all, Legacy will eventually die to the reserved list. You may argue with me, but it's really a matter of when, not if. Prices are already skyrocketing, and in 20 years, the number of cards on the list that have not disintegrated will be minimal.
Third of all, WotC will be loathe to support Legacy with Modern in the mix. Modern as a format was created to be a new Legacy where Wizards can control card reprints. Wizards has no plans of officially supporting a format they cannot regulate.
It is for these above reasons that I play Modern over Legacy. While Legacy is interesting, it is too expensive and frankly, not future-oriented enough to deserve my time and $$$.
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I love legacy btw, but you need to work on your writing as it seems more of a rant then anything.
I have many Legacy staples that are nearly 20 years old and look very close to pack fresh. The same can be said for many people who play Legacy. Why in another 20 years would those cards suddenly disintegrate?
It's true that the format is very cost prohibitive to get into. But what about those who already have the staples? Why would we stop playing the best format (yes, best is subjective but most Legacy players I've talked to share this opinion) because of rising costs? The costs are irrelevant to us. Legacy may be largely closed to newer players but those of us who bought in when cards are cheap will continue to enjoy this awesome format regardless of the financial restrictions of people who can't afford to buy in now.
tl;dr Legacy isn't going to die just because you can't afford to play it.
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Burn
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Belcher
Yes, you may take very good care of your cards. But you are also someone who is planning on keeping your Legacy staples. The fact is, there are a fixed number of Legacy staples, which only can and will decrease day-by-day.
A living format, as well as one that Wizards will choose to support is one that can grow, not shrink. Your myopic view of a limited number of people playing with their cards into the infinite future is one that cannot be sustained. The power nine are prohibitively expensive, and that is because in part, they had one less printing. In the long run, one extra printing isn't that important.
Revised is 18 years old, and there are far less duals now than there were then. In 20 years, there will be far less than there are now. If Magic hasn't died in 20 years, there will be far more Magic players than there are today.
Maybe you believe that you and your Legacy buddies will continue to play Legacy into the distant future, as you grow to be an extremely small statistical part of the Magic-playing community. I believe that what does not grow dies, as will Legacy (assuming the reserved list is not abolished).
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UR Parun Counterspells RU
BB Yawgmoth Token Storm BB
WB Pestilence BW
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Decks I play
Legacy
Dredge 0
DredgeGBRU
AffinityXRUB
GoblinsRWB
10 land StompyG
BurnR
DreadstillURW
BelcherGR
Death and Taxes W
Enchantress GWR
BUILDING
Legacy Lands GBRUW
I'll never tell you the flavor text of Teferi's Imp!!
I play modern now, strictly because it will grow and will gain support and players over the years. I don't want to be that 2-3 guys at my store talking about the vintage days and sad they cant do anything with their power.
And when we're all dead and gone?
The narrow mindedness and selfishness of the human race never seizes to amaze me.
If Legacy doesn't get new people into the format, then eventually this closed group or "elite" members is going to either die or get tired of playing or both.
But it's pointless to even attempt to bring some reality into this conversation because the folks living in their ivory towers aren't going to come out of them any time soon.
And yes, before you ask, I play Legacy and have the card pool.
Which is more than I can say for 99% of the people playing Magic in my area.
-40 out of ~1 million duals is not statistically significant, and your story is offset by my buddy who found his old collection of duals and sold them on eBay. Anecdotes are fun.
Now I totally agree that Legacy won't grow, and EVENTUALLY will be unplayable because as you stated people will die/stop playing. Sad reality, I too wish they would abolish the reserved list. I don't see this happening for some time though. Eventually MtG as a whole will die!
Steve, I respect your opinion, but I don't think I'm being elitist here. I don't want Legacy to be unaffordable. I wish WotC could take the stance they're taking with Modern and apply it to the Legacy card pool, but it's not going to happen, and as such I'm being realistic. It's too expensive for people to jump in. Many people have the cards already. Legacy has always been a closed format. The reserved list was created 16 years ago and legacy has been around for less than 10. There were plenty of staples to support a healthy (albeit limited) scene. I doubt destruction of cards will be an issue as most people who play Legacy are acutely aware of the value of their cards.
Legacy
Control
Miracles
All flavors of Stoneblade
Aggro
Grixis Delver
UR Delver
Burn
Combo
Dredge
TES/ANT
UR & UB Reanimator
Belcher
Decks I play and stuff.
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Modern Mono U Tron
I disagree. There are many times the number of duals as there are pieces of power in existence.
Legacy
Control
Miracles
All flavors of Stoneblade
Aggro
Grixis Delver
UR Delver
Burn
Combo
Dredge
TES/ANT
UR & UB Reanimator
Belcher
Secondly you cant have a trading card game without value, if every card was worth 10 cents today, we would have no cads dealers, no traders, no shops. How do you think card shops stay in business. A local card shop in my area sells board games, pokemon, yugioh and magic. However if you look behind there cases and you ask them how they make money its magic cards. Its not 5 cent yugioh cards, 15 dollar board games, Its mtg dual lands, power nine, fow, thoughtseize, goyf, etc. Thats what keeps the game going. And like I said im not rich. Im a collage student who lives on my own and pays my bills on a 9 $ an hour salery
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Decks I play and stuff.
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Modern Mono U Tron
So why were you so antagonistic to me? My two points were
1. Legacy is expensive. This is one reason why I won't personally play.
2. Magic may not die for another 50-100+ years, especially if it keeps growing at the way it has. Legacy will die in 20, and perhaps in all but name in 5 or 10.
1 is a personal anecdote. 2 is a general statement. Completely unrelated to each other.
And if Magic is still alive in 10 years' time, there will be many times the number of players, and a significantly less number of duals. What does not grow, dies. As soon as Magic stops taking in new players, it will die - same for Legacy.
GX Tron XG
UR Phoenix RU
GG Freyalise High Tide GG
UR Parun Counterspells RU
BB Yawgmoth Token Storm BB
WB Pestilence BW
Decks I play
Legacy
Dredge 0
DredgeGBRU
AffinityXRUB
GoblinsRWB
10 land StompyG
BurnR
DreadstillURW
BelcherGR
Death and Taxes W
Enchantress GWR
BUILDING
Legacy Lands GBRUW
I'll never tell you the flavor text of Teferi's Imp!!
I apologize, I did not intend to personally attack you. You just happen to be voicing sentiments that are often repeated, which I disagree with. Again, nothing personal.
And about your assumption that there will be many times the number of players: I'm not so sure. I think Magic is at a peak currently. Not to say it won't stay this way, or grow some more, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect that the level of growth seen in the past few years will continue indefinitely.
Legacy
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Miracles
All flavors of Stoneblade
Aggro
Grixis Delver
UR Delver
Burn
Combo
Dredge
TES/ANT
UR & UB Reanimator
Belcher
I disagree, Magic seems very popular in Beijing but unknown in other Chiniese cities. It's likely to expand a good deal in this country, I think.
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Total number of matches: 252
Win percentage ignoring draws: 58.649789
Win percentage including draws: 55.158730
How do you know the reserve list will last 20 year? 20 years is a completely made up number and the rate which dual lands are being destroyed is minimal. Back when Alpha and Beta was printed, black lotuses were destroyed like nothing but as cards became more expensive people cherished them more. The dual land supply will probably be the same in 20 years.
Also Modern is not "New Legacy". Wizards outright said that it was not designed to replace Legacy. That's why a vanilla 3/3 and even slightly fun cards are banned.
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http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/legacy-type-1-5/661941-list-of-stores-that-support-legacy
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?28892-Compilation-Of-Legacy-Streams
I play legacy and most of the cards I have are by trading modern/standard staples and by playing budget by playing shocks over duals. Not ideal, but it'll do. The absolute worst case is that legacy changes and people play 'budgeted' versions of decks by playing shocks and things like that instead of duals.
Besides, there are many modern decks more expensive than legacy decks. Like you said, price matters and if it's just as cheap to buy a good legacy deck than to buy a modern deck, why not?
I'm also sure they are well aware of this situation and are seeing how modern masters does and how it affects the prices of certain cards. I can easily see them putting out Legacy Masters next year or the year after.
And when it comes to entering legacy, i only started playing around loywan and i only started playing legacy around a year and a half ago. Most of my cards i either had or traded for and the few i bought have been played a lot. It may just be how i have gone about it but for the deck i have and for some of the cards i have, i have spent way less then i would have ever expected.
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Decks I play
Legacy
Dredge 0
DredgeGBRU
AffinityXRUB
GoblinsRWB
10 land StompyG
BurnR
DreadstillURW
BelcherGR
Death and Taxes W
Enchantress GWR
BUILDING
Legacy Lands GBRUW
I'll never tell you the flavor text of Teferi's Imp!!