So the talk of the town right now is Brainstormandfriends, and SDT breaking the new spoiled mechanic: Miracle.
Personally, I see Thunderous Wrath shining in U/R Delver lists, and to some extent, traditional Burn lists (because they always go in topdeck mode by turn 4).
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pyrokinesis. my friend used it in his goblins to top 4 SCG Sacramento; he said it was devastating to mavrick and other creature decks.
brainstorm and pyrokinesis can make thunderous wrath very good, and almost never a dead card. it could fit into a UR delver list as a 4-of, if you have 4 BS and 2-3 pyrokinesis.
Miracle looks like it's ripe for abuse in Legacy, the land of library manipulation. Thunderous Wrath I feel will be a great card in Legacy (UR Delver absolutely adores it), even if I personally dislike the mechanic and the card.
I can only wonder what other miracle cards they'll print. I'm almost certain that they're going to print one that makes tokens.
The other cards don't seem terribly exciting for Legacy at this point. Avacyn, Angel of Hope for example won't see any serious Reanimator play.
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The Paladin could see some play in Maverick. First he gives Heirarch's double strike, then later he turns KotR into one scary beast. Scyb Ranger with double strike and a sword is a scary thought
Obviously the real boss is the 5-damage-for-R which will see play in Burn, UR Delver, Canadian, and most everything else
Thunderous Wrath will Give Decks like U/R Delver and Canadian Threshold unbelievable reach. Now your at a dangerous life total at five. Thank goodness snap caster cant flash it back at its one mana cost.
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I don't want to be that one guy, but what about if you draw it with no brainstorm in your opening hand? It's completely dead. In a deck like Canadian where you need your cards to be relevant in the early game, it seems like Thundering might fall under "the danger of cool stuff" or too cute.
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You wouldn't play it as a 4 of in burn, that's for sure, but I sure as hell would play it as a 2 of with maybe another one in the board. It's not dead against mono color decks like price of progress is and 5 for R is always good.
I don't see Thunderous Wrath in Canadian. Because, what's the point? They'll always utilize Brainstorm to its full potential, not to trigger 5 damage. They already have Delver, Goose and Goyf for that.
In traditional Burn, the debate is Fireblast or Thunderous Wrath. That deck has little library manipulation. A Thunderous Wrath on your opening seven isn't very ideal.
In U/R Delver on the other hand, they run Brainstorms and Ponders can help too. I think it's there where it will shine.
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I too was thinking of putting the angel into nicfit. How useful is her non-sacrifice ability? First thought is Pox or I believe The Gate, but obviously her 5cc (6 with GSZ) is astronomically high against land denial.
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I think thunderous wrath is good enough. Maybe only as a 2-of but 5 damage at instant speed for R is very good, even during the draw step and especially with 8 cantrips. Flipping delver off a TW is sick.
Also a 3/4 flash angel that saves another creature possibly with ETB triggers is pretty good for 3W. I could see this with clique and SFM in control.
Edit: If Miracle cards do see serious play then stifle will want to make a comeback.
My thoughts on thunderous wrath have been pretty much stated already...2-3 of in non brainstorm lists...4 of in brainstorm lists.
The card is amazing when it's 5 damage for R
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People played Predict for awhile, and that's a decent card, if underwhelming compared to SFM and the like. If there's a decent Miracle card, it'll see play. As an instant you can stack your deck appropriately and use Brainstorm to play it on an opponents turn. Between BS, Ponder, Jace, and SDT, there's room for Miracle to work as a 2-3 of.
The angel is bad. Thrun, the Last Troll does what the angel does but better if you want to beat counters, and if you're going to play a big green card, it better be at least as good as Natural Order.
I too was thinking of putting the angel into nicfit. How useful is her non-sacrifice ability? First thought is Pox or I believe The Gate, but obviously her 5cc (6 with GSZ) is astronomically high against land denial.
If you're gonna run her because of non-sacrifice ability, why not just run Tajuru Preserver?
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The angel is awesome. Death and taxes always wished flickerwhisp had flash. Its also a very durable creature since its bolt proof. Goat and taxes could actually be playable now. Thunderous wrath is awesome. It can totally be ran as a 4 of in my opinion. Between jace brainstorm top and ponder you are good to go. Scroll rack could possibly even make a come back. Luckily I own 4. UR burn could also work. Think control-less delver.
I'm testing Thunderous Wrath (now as a 3-of) in a burn-heavy UR Delver list and it has been great. About all the time it's been imprisoned in my opening hand, I've been able to Brainstorm it away and draw it next turn. In a deck that's less threat-heavy than Burn, all its burn spells need to hit like a truck, and TW delivers for only 1 mana.
Thunderous Wrath is going to be pretty tight in Hanni's WUR Quickdraw list. It plays 4 Brainstorm and 3 Magma Jet in the maindeck so it has 7 ways to set up that play for a kill. 5 damage is ALOT. Jesus.
And lol Miracles.
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Thunderous Wrath is okay at best. However the mechanic is INSANE. I just hope we don't end up with anything to broken. Every time a new mechanic is made by wizards they need to be careful and with them putting a new mechanic or 2 in each new set for the past 2 years they haven't been able to test properly in my opinion. But I digress, hope there is a good card but no Mental Mistep fiasco or even at the power level of dismember
Thunderous Wrath is okay at best. However the mechanic is INSANE. I just hope we don't end up with anything to broken. Every time a new mechanic is made by wizards they need to be careful and with them putting a new mechanic or 2 in each new set for the past 2 years they haven't been able to test properly in my opinion. But I digress, hope there is a good card but no Mental Mistep fiasco or even at the power level of dismember
As long as they do not print a draw card spell with an alternate cost I think the mechanic will be fine. What we don't need is a pay U draw two cards in the format. A removal spell at an alternate really fits the flavor of the new keyword and is not overpowered as you cant really use it during combat with a surprise factor. I would put this spell at the same power level as STP or Dispatch due to timing restrictions.
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Personally, I see Thunderous Wrath shining in U/R Delver lists, and to some extent, traditional Burn lists (because they always go in topdeck mode by turn 4).
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brainstorm and pyrokinesis can make thunderous wrath very good, and almost never a dead card. it could fit into a UR delver list as a 4-of, if you have 4 BS and 2-3 pyrokinesis.
seems amazing.
I can only wonder what other miracle cards they'll print. I'm almost certain that they're going to print one that makes tokens.
The other cards don't seem terribly exciting for Legacy at this point. Avacyn, Angel of Hope for example won't see any serious Reanimator play.
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In traditional Burn, the debate is Fireblast or Thunderous Wrath. That deck has little library manipulation. A Thunderous Wrath on your opening seven isn't very ideal.
In U/R Delver on the other hand, they run Brainstorms and Ponders can help too. I think it's there where it will shine.
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Also a 3/4 flash angel that saves another creature possibly with ETB triggers is pretty good for 3W. I could see this with clique and SFM in control.
Edit: If Miracle cards do see serious play then stifle will want to make a comeback.
The card is amazing when it's 5 damage for R
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The angel is bad. Thrun, the Last Troll does what the angel does but better if you want to beat counters, and if you're going to play a big green card, it better be at least as good as Natural Order.
If you're gonna run her because of non-sacrifice ability, why not just run Tajuru Preserver?
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5/5 flying hexproof angel is where the bulk of the value is, the "can't be edicted" bit is gravy.
And lol Miracles.
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As long as they do not print a draw card spell with an alternate cost I think the mechanic will be fine. What we don't need is a pay U draw two cards in the format. A removal spell at an alternate really fits the flavor of the new keyword and is not overpowered as you cant really use it during combat with a surprise factor. I would put this spell at the same power level as STP or Dispatch due to timing restrictions.
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That Red card is very situational, and is full of "Brainstorm" fantasies.
Guess what? It isn't right to use Brainstorm to filp Delver, and it isn't right to Brainstorm just because of this card.
Miracle, making people Brainstorm wrong for another year.
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