I just love pingers so much I decided it was time to make a dedicated deck of them. This is something I'd always pondered for EDH and decided it was way too weak, but Tiny Leaders is a format where I think this can really thrive. I decided against black, which loses me a lot of deathtouch effects on top of Rakdos Ickspitter and Blood Cultist, but I feel like Nin is a more flavorful general than Tetsuo Umezawa 'cause she pings too. Anyway, here's a rough list.
URGImperial AnimarGRU BRGProssh, Tokenmaker of KherGRB WURNarset NostalgicRUW UBR"I like your deck better" JelevaRBU UBlue BraidsU GAzusa, Lost but RampingG
WUHanna, Pillowfort's NavigatorUW WBRAleshacratsBRW UBRGrixis Pew PewRBU URGYasova the ThreateningGRU BGGlissa the ArticiferGB WUSygg MerfolkUW RSquee, Value NabobR
Cinder Pyromancer should be in here IMHO. I like the idea, I'll try to find more cards that would fit.
EDIT: Curiosity perhaps? I would definitely find room for Fire // Ice. Fractured Loyalty cause red can steal creatures/commanders too.
I just really don't like that Cinder Pyromancer can't hit creatures. I feel like that's more important than being able to hit players in this deck.
I kept looking past Fire // Ice 'cause I wasn't sure I wanted it. I suppose a Forked Bolt that does other stuff could be worthwhile. Fractured Loyalty is really cool, thanks for showing it to me.
I don't know how I didn't think to include Thousand-Year Elixir. Duh doi, thanks. I just wish Quest for Pure Flame lasted more than one turn.
PS: Thanks for responding. All the help I give around here you'd think people would give me some
URGImperial AnimarGRU BRGProssh, Tokenmaker of KherGRB WURNarset NostalgicRUW UBR"I like your deck better" JelevaRBU UBlue BraidsU GAzusa, Lost but RampingG
WUHanna, Pillowfort's NavigatorUW WBRAleshacratsBRW UBRGrixis Pew PewRBU URGYasova the ThreateningGRU BGGlissa the ArticiferGB WUSygg MerfolkUW RSquee, Value NabobR
Yeah man, your help is always much appreciated. You might want to at least consider Cinder Pyromancer for the sideboard against the control matchup. It can really put the opponent on a clock. Otherwise, Suq'Ata Firewalker has some bad ass art and relevant text. It really should be in your list IMHO.
@DrB: Yeah, I'd been meaning to slip in Arcane Lighthouse. Spitfire is a cute idea, I hadn't noticed the interaction, good call. I do like Sigil of Sleep, especially on Gelectrode and Cinder Pyromancer. The sideboard was just whatever I had on hand that seemed okay, definitely needs refining.
@Sleeper: I don't know how I missed Firewalker, he's a strict upgrade from the Prodigal guys. Good call.
URGImperial AnimarGRU BRGProssh, Tokenmaker of KherGRB WURNarset NostalgicRUW UBR"I like your deck better" JelevaRBU UBlue BraidsU GAzusa, Lost but RampingG
WUHanna, Pillowfort's NavigatorUW WBRAleshacratsBRW UBRGrixis Pew PewRBU URGYasova the ThreateningGRU BGGlissa the ArticiferGB WUSygg MerfolkUW RSquee, Value NabobR
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So far I've only had the chance to play two games against a mono red Zurgo deck. Won one, lost one. About what you'd expect: Basilisk Collar is completely ridiculous, but if you don't draw one of the lower-cost pingers you end up feeling pretty behind.
URGImperial AnimarGRU BRGProssh, Tokenmaker of KherGRB WURNarset NostalgicRUW UBR"I like your deck better" JelevaRBU UBlue BraidsU GAzusa, Lost but RampingG
WUHanna, Pillowfort's NavigatorUW WBRAleshacratsBRW UBRGrixis Pew PewRBU URGYasova the ThreateningGRU BGGlissa the ArticiferGB WUSygg MerfolkUW RSquee, Value NabobR
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I've been trying to figure out how to mitigate all the high costs. Currently I'm considering Magus of the Scroll for another one drop, but he costs 3 to activate and that's rough. Alternatively, I've thought about putting in Chrome Mox, Mox Diamond, and/or Simian Spirit Guide to get a pinger down turn two more consistently.
URGImperial AnimarGRU BRGProssh, Tokenmaker of KherGRB WURNarset NostalgicRUW UBR"I like your deck better" JelevaRBU UBlue BraidsU GAzusa, Lost but RampingG
WUHanna, Pillowfort's NavigatorUW WBRAleshacratsBRW UBRGrixis Pew PewRBU URGYasova the ThreateningGRU BGGlissa the ArticiferGB WUSygg MerfolkUW RSquee, Value NabobR
I tend to think of Scepter as kind of a "mean" card that I wouldn't play outside of a competitive environment. Due to the nature of the format I think there are few decks that Scepter shouldn't be in from a power standpoint.
URGImperial AnimarGRU BRGProssh, Tokenmaker of KherGRB WURNarset NostalgicRUW UBR"I like your deck better" JelevaRBU UBlue BraidsU GAzusa, Lost but RampingG
WUHanna, Pillowfort's NavigatorUW WBRAleshacratsBRW UBRGrixis Pew PewRBU URGYasova the ThreateningGRU BGGlissa the ArticiferGB WUSygg MerfolkUW RSquee, Value NabobR
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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I'd be open to Illusionist's Bracers if I could find the space; Rings just seems like too much effort for too little payout. Thornbite is kind of redundant, again it's a lot of mana for not getting too much out of the deal. It becomes a second more expensive Sharpshooter.
URGImperial AnimarGRU BRGProssh, Tokenmaker of KherGRB WURNarset NostalgicRUW UBR"I like your deck better" JelevaRBU UBlue BraidsU GAzusa, Lost but RampingG
WUHanna, Pillowfort's NavigatorUW WBRAleshacratsBRW UBRGrixis Pew PewRBU URGYasova the ThreateningGRU BGGlissa the ArticiferGB WUSygg MerfolkUW RSquee, Value NabobR
What about Crackleburr? Too mana intensive? Quicksilver Dagger, while it doesn't grant creature ping, does provide you with a means to draw extra cards while also whittling away at the opponent's life.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Crackleburr is an incredibly cool card that I have never managed to find a place for, and this deck is actually a really fun place to put it. Thanks for that I'm gonna have to find some room, and maybe include some more blue pingers.
I'd probably run Curiousity before Quicksilver Dagger.
URGImperial AnimarGRU BRGProssh, Tokenmaker of KherGRB WURNarset NostalgicRUW UBR"I like your deck better" JelevaRBU UBlue BraidsU GAzusa, Lost but RampingG
WUHanna, Pillowfort's NavigatorUW WBRAleshacratsBRW UBRGrixis Pew PewRBU URGYasova the ThreateningGRU BGGlissa the ArticiferGB WUSygg MerfolkUW RSquee, Value NabobR
Do Spikeshot Goblin and Spikeshot Elder contribute enough to your deck? They are pingers, yes, but they also want their power boosted so they can deal more damage, however in a deck full of creatures whose ping abilities don't care about their power, you aren't inclined to include a whole bunch of power-boosting effects, and both of them are rather expensive for dealing 1 damage by default. I'd think they'd fit into a power matters deck with cards like Claws of Valakut and Dragon Mantle.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Spikeshot Goblin is admittedly not the best, but I really love his synergy with Scythe of the Wretched. If push came to shove I'd probably drop him, but I'm more likely to drop the Prodigal brothers first. As for Spikeshot Elder, I'll stand by him. He's the only conditionless repeatable ping in the deck, he's a mana sink, and he has the potential to be buffed up and scary with Scythe. The fact he only does 1 most of the time doesn't bother me, since most of my others only do 1 anyway, and he's pretty much the only one-drop I have.
URGImperial AnimarGRU BRGProssh, Tokenmaker of KherGRB WURNarset NostalgicRUW UBR"I like your deck better" JelevaRBU UBlue BraidsU GAzusa, Lost but RampingG
WUHanna, Pillowfort's NavigatorUW WBRAleshacratsBRW UBRGrixis Pew PewRBU URGYasova the ThreateningGRU BGGlissa the ArticiferGB WUSygg MerfolkUW RSquee, Value NabobR
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
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2 Nin, the Pain Artist
1 Grim Lavamancer
1 Spikeshot Elder
2 Fireslinger
2 Razorfin Hunter
3 Prodigal Sorcerer
3 Prodigal Pyromancer
3 Cunning Sparkmage
3 Vulshok Sorcerer
3 Spikeshot Goblin
3 Goblin Sharpshooter
3 Vithian Stinger
3 Scalding Salamander
3 Gelectrode
3 Izzet Staticaster
3 Darksteel Myr
Artifacts (5):
1 Basilisk Collar
1 Gorgon's Head
2 Gorgon Flail
2 Scythe of the Wretched
3 Hammer of Purphoros
Instants/Sorceries (12):
0 Gut Shot
1 Condescend
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Burst Lightning
1 Firebolt
2 Counterspell
2 Mana Leak
2 Magma Jet
2 Izzet Charm
3 Polymorphist's Jest
3 Electrolyze
5 Turn // Burn
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Volcanic Island
1 Steam Vents
1 Sulfur Falls
1 Cascade Bluffs
1 Shivan Reef
1 Barbarian Ring
1 Keldon Megaliths
1 Ancient Tomb
4 Island
3 Mountain
3 Viashino Heretic
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Blue Elemental Blast
1 Electrickery
2 Withdraw
4 Jilt
1 Mogg Fanatic
1 Arc Trail
1 Steel Sabotage
1 Shattering Spree
And some random cards I've got my eye on:
So that's where I'm at. I know I should probably try to have Ponder/Preordain/Brainstorm in there somewhere and I'm considering going heavier with the fetches for Barbarian Ring and Grim Lavamancer (I know they're a non-bo but it's a singleton format so I'm not too worried about it). But it's a fun deck that lets me use some of my favorite cards that haven't really had a place in awhile. Some synergies:
Nin, the Pain Artist + Darksteel Myr = Lots of cards
Deathtouch equipment + Goblin Sharpshooter / Scalding Salamander = One-sided death machine
Goblin Sharpshooter + Polymorphist's Jest = One-sided death machine
Spikeshot Elder / Spikeshot Goblin + Scythe of the Wretched = Creature stealing machine
Goblin + Merfolk = Razorfin Hunter
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EDIT: Curiosity perhaps? I would definitely find room for Fire // Ice. Fractured Loyalty cause red can steal creatures/commanders too.
Thousand-Year Elixir, for shizzle. Quest for Pure Flame because pinging for two suddenly becomes real scary, real fast.
I kept looking past Fire // Ice 'cause I wasn't sure I wanted it. I suppose a Forked Bolt that does other stuff could be worthwhile. Fractured Loyalty is really cool, thanks for showing it to me.
I don't know how I didn't think to include Thousand-Year Elixir. Duh doi, thanks. I just wish Quest for Pure Flame lasted more than one turn.
PS: Thanks for responding. All the help I give around here you'd think people would give me some
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UBlue BraidsU
GAzusa, Lost but RampingG
WBRAleshacratsBRW
UBRGrixis Pew PewRBU
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BGGlissa the ArticiferGB
WUSygg MerfolkUW
RSquee, Value NabobR
Chandra's Spitfire - great finisher
Raid Bombardment - combos with above, but can also finish games out
Fabricate - your artifacts seem pretty clutch
Mimic Vat - cause things are gonna die
Sigil of Sleep - going deep, but sweet against problem creatures
Sudden Demise - possibly for sideboard - solid either way
and graveyard hate for the sideboard (a la Scrabbling Claws, etc)
@Sleeper: I don't know how I missed Firewalker, he's a strict upgrade from the Prodigal guys. Good call.
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Have you thought of an isochron scepter to go with all your instants?
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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UBlue BraidsU
GAzusa, Lost but RampingG
WBRAleshacratsBRW
UBRGrixis Pew PewRBU
URGYasova the ThreateningGRU
BGGlissa the ArticiferGB
WUSygg MerfolkUW
RSquee, Value NabobR
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
I'd probably run Curiousity before Quicksilver Dagger.
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UBlue BraidsU
GAzusa, Lost but RampingG
WBRAleshacratsBRW
UBRGrixis Pew PewRBU
URGYasova the ThreateningGRU
BGGlissa the ArticiferGB
WUSygg MerfolkUW
RSquee, Value NabobR
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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UBlue BraidsU
GAzusa, Lost but RampingG
WBRAleshacratsBRW
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URGYasova the ThreateningGRU
BGGlissa the ArticiferGB
WUSygg MerfolkUW
RSquee, Value NabobR
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.