I figured with a little over a month passing since the release of C17 I would post the deck list i built for "The Ur-Dragon"
First off I will say this. it is not great. I have won about teh same amount of games i have lost but it does trade blows with some more competitive decks and I think Its powerful Mana base is the main cause. i have yet to play a game where I needed mana fixing (Well except one game but my lands were in a clump, if i play with a fresh deck it is fine (All games end up clumping your deck up if you play it multiple times in a row and you just pick up your cards, toss them on top of your deck and shuffle, eventually your lands will all be together)
This deck has a surprising amount of Draw Power.
This deck is still fast, I can pump out 3 or even more dragons in a single turn mid game. (And once i start pumping dragons, so long as I have cards in my hand, I am pumping them non stop.
But i do plan on removing cards that are not producing the effect i need in order to run a bit more control (like counterspells or Cyclonic Rift)
So without further ado, the decklist (Sorted by type, CMC then alphabetically)
So yea I have a few cards that are simply "WHY?" and they will be removed in place of something else while others (Surprisingly cards like Ramos, dragon Engine) that are just under performing. It is not a card I want to remove but it is taking up valuable space in my deck that can in fact be changed for something better. (i find in most cases, i see Ramos, but since he does not boost my dragons offensive abilities, he is not a viable option, only use he has is being bait. (no one likes the look of Ramos with 5 counters and a full hand.)
Surprisingly Draco is also used as bait (and since i have so many dual lands, I never cast him for more than 5 and never have to pay his upkeep. I can get him out as early as turn 2 (With god hand) And i just love how much hate he draws. He is usually a priority removal (As no one likes a 9/9 flyer) which is perfect as they usually target him before more important dragons to get rid of, (Like Atarka)
Off the top of my head, running only one extra combat phases card seems like a mistake. There are more than a few setups that could see you drop most of your deck on the table by abusing multiple combats, then win.
There are a lot of things that can be said and/or considered. From the very top of my head:
You have very a low amound of defense/sweepers and interaction. You might want to play more of both (I assume you have your own preferences here and will not give a rundown unless you want me to).
I cut Crucible of Fire immediately so I can't confirm but I assume it to be quite bad. Might aswell play another dragon instead.
I play a very similar manabase. Both Collective Restraint and especially Prismatic Geoscope perform very well.
There are three very powerfull engine cards that are attractive with this commander: Survival of the Fittest, Sneak Attack and Birthing Pod. The later two would suggest a more reanimator approach (which I took and which might function even better with the Ur-Dragon in the 99 and the Scion as commander - but that's not as cool). But Survival is working in every case. Apart from the incredible flexibility it gives, it gives you access to cheat any dragon from your deck into play by just including Loyal Retainers.
These are 4 points from arround 74 just jumping to me. Not all of them are necessary changes but rather questions to ask and decisions to make. I think your deck goes into quite the right direction.
You have no idea how many times I have laughed as Crucible came out when i attacked and had ur-dragon on the field. that is +3 damage to all dragons that are attacking and since i put it out before combat damage, i ca get an additional (on average) 9 damage through. One time i did an additional 21 but i was killing the guy anyway.
I like Collective Restraint and Genoscope
loyoal retainers Almost all my dragons and legendary so a great choice. (Sadly they are expensive, I may be able to pick one up from Arsenal but I really hate the invocations frame and i rather have a weaker deck then play with those train wreaks.
Birthing pod maybe but the other two are too expensive, i currently have a VERY low budget.
Off the top of my head, running only one extra combat phases card seems like a mistake. There are more than a few setups that could see you drop most of your deck on the table by abusing multiple combats, then win.
Funnily enough, Hellkite was coming out as he is a beefy dragon but he has never once been activated. liek ramos he seems liek a poor decision every chance i have him in my hand, i usually have something better.
First off I will say this. it is not great. I have won about teh same amount of games i have lost but it does trade blows with some more competitive decks and I think Its powerful Mana base is the main cause. i have yet to play a game where I needed mana fixing (Well except one game but my lands were in a clump, if i play with a fresh deck it is fine (All games end up clumping your deck up if you play it multiple times in a row and you just pick up your cards, toss them on top of your deck and shuffle, eventually your lands will all be together)
This deck has a surprising amount of Draw Power.
This deck is still fast, I can pump out 3 or even more dragons in a single turn mid game. (And once i start pumping dragons, so long as I have cards in my hand, I am pumping them non stop.
But i do plan on removing cards that are not producing the effect i need in order to run a bit more control (like counterspells or Cyclonic Rift)
So without further ado, the decklist (Sorted by type, CMC then alphabetically)
9 The Ur-Dragon
Dragon Creature: 26
5 Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury
5 Scalelord Recknoer
5 Scourge of Valkas
6 Broodmate Dragon
6 Crosis, the Purger
6 Dragon Broodmother
6 Dragonlord Dromoka
6 Dragonlord Kolaghan
6 Hellkite Charger
6 Intet, the Dreamer
6 Keiga, the Tide Star
6 Kokusho, the Evening Star
6 Numot, the Devastator
6 Teneb, the Harvester
6 Ryusei, the Falling Star
6 Savage Ventmaw
6 Silumgar, the Drifting Death
6 Steel Hellkite
6 Yosei, the Morning Star
7 Atarka, World Render
7 Bladewing the Risen
7 Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund
7 Ojutai, Soul of Winter
7 Tyrant's Familiar
8 Hellkite Overlord
8 Utvara Hellkite
16 Draco
Non Dragon Creatures: 4
2 Dragonlord's Servant
3 Dragonspeaker Shaman
4 Clever Impersonator
4 Sakashima the Impostor
Artifacts: 10
1 Sol ring
2 Lightning Greaves
2 Skull Clamp
3 Chromatic Lantern
3 Commander's Sphere
3 Darksteel Ingot
3 Herald's Horn
3 Urza's Incubator
5 Vanquisher's Banner
7 Akroma's Memorial
1 Exploration
2 Dragon Tempest
3 Aura Shards
3 Elemental Bond
3 Temur Ascendancy
4 Crucible of Fire
5 Kindred Discovery
5 Mirari's Wake
5 Palace Siege
Instants: 5
1 Vampiric Tutor
2 Cyclonic Rift
3 Sarkhan's Triumph
3 Teferi's Protection
6 Cauldron Dance
Sorceries: 6
2 Demonic Tutor
4 Rite of Replication
5 Crux of Fate
5 Patriarch's Bidding
9 In Garruk's Wake
9 Plague Wind
9 Rise of the Dark Realms
Planeswalkers: 1
5 Sarkhan Unbroken
Dual Lands: 10
0 Badlands
0 Bayou
0 Plateau
0 Savannah
0 Scrubland
0 Taiga
0 Tropical Island
0 Tundra
0 Underground Sea
0 Volcanic Island
Shock Lands: 10
0 Blood Crypt
0 Breeding Pool
0 Hallowed Fountain
0 Godless Shrine
0 Overgrown Tomb
0 Sacred Foundry
0 Steam Vents
0 Stomping Ground
0 Temple Garden
0 Watery Grave
0 Arid Mesa
0 Bloodstained Mire
0 Flooded Strand
0 Marsh Flats
0 Misty Rainforest
0 Polluted Delta
0 Scalding Tarn
0 Verdant Catacombs
0 Windswept Heath
0 Wooded Foothills
Utility lands: 7
0 Cavern of Souls
0 Command Tower
0 Haven of the Spirit Dragon
0 Path of Ancestry
0 Reflecting Pool
0 Reliquary Tower
0 Thespian's Stage
Deck Color Spread Percentage and Devotion
White: 10% - 11
Blue: 12% - 19
Black: 23% - 25
Red: 27% - 33
Green: 16% - 16
So yea I have a few cards that are simply "WHY?" and they will be removed in place of something else while others (Surprisingly cards like Ramos, dragon Engine) that are just under performing. It is not a card I want to remove but it is taking up valuable space in my deck that can in fact be changed for something better. (i find in most cases, i see Ramos, but since he does not boost my dragons offensive abilities, he is not a viable option, only use he has is being bait. (no one likes the look of Ramos with 5 counters and a full hand.)
Surprisingly Draco is also used as bait (and since i have so many dual lands, I never cast him for more than 5 and never have to pay his upkeep. I can get him out as early as turn 2 (With god hand) And i just love how much hate he draws. He is usually a priority removal (As no one likes a 9/9 flyer) which is perfect as they usually target him before more important dragons to get rid of, (Like Atarka)
Removed
Added
UB Vela the Night-Clad BUDecklist
WBG Ghave, Guru of Spores GBW
WUBRGThe Ur-DragonWUBRGDecklist
Dancing with the Ur-Dragon
Feel free to take a few pointers.
Most Used (of many dozens) EDH Decks:
Brago, King Eternal - Stax
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden - Aggro Combo
Wort, the Raidmother - Spellslinger Swarm Control
Animar, Soul of Elements - Tempo Combo
Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder - Spellslinger
Exodia the Forbidden One:
Oona, Queen of the Fae - Combowins.dec
You have no idea how many times I have laughed as Crucible came out when i attacked and had ur-dragon on the field. that is +3 damage to all dragons that are attacking and since i put it out before combat damage, i ca get an additional (on average) 9 damage through. One time i did an additional 21 but i was killing the guy anyway.
I like Collective Restraint and Genoscope
loyoal retainers Almost all my dragons and legendary so a great choice. (Sadly they are expensive, I may be able to pick one up from Arsenal but I really hate the invocations frame and i rather have a weaker deck then play with those train wreaks.
Birthing pod maybe but the other two are too expensive, i currently have a VERY low budget.
Funnily enough, Hellkite was coming out as he is a beefy dragon but he has never once been activated. liek ramos he seems liek a poor decision every chance i have him in my hand, i usually have something better.
UB Vela the Night-Clad BUDecklist
WBG Ghave, Guru of Spores GBW
WUBRGThe Ur-DragonWUBRGDecklist