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Hey Tev, I know this is semi jank but with the addition of tendershoot and its accompanying buffing with blessing have you considered Sprout Swarm? I was riffing through cards a few days ago and came across that. Also pairs well with Aetherflux reservoir in that once you can get enough going you get loads of life.
Huatli is a lot better than Elemental Bond, especially since I can stack the Ultimate to keep a draw engine. Many Creatures in this deck miss the 3 power cut off, but more importantly, Huatli's Ultimate is optional while Bond is not. I have been decked by an opponent using Parallel Evolution on me. And if I need to kill a player, Huatli's -1 can do so, even with Commander damage if Trostani needs to get in there. Elemental Bond was one of the cards I was less than delighted with, so when I saw Huatli get spoiled I earmarked the switch.
I initially dismissed this card because I figured that getting to use the -8 ability wasn't very likely, and the golden rule for planeswalkers has always been to not rely on getting to the ultimate ability. Furthermore, when I compared it to other rival planeswalkers (Garruk, Gideon, Elspeth, etc), it didn't really do as much by itself and required a lot more of a setup cost to justify its inclusion. How has it fared in practice?
On another note, Tendershoot Dryad was a very obvious inclusion. It's nearly impossible not to ascend in this format, so making a 3/3 on each player's turn for no additional cost seems insane.
Your take on Elemental Bond was interesting enough to get me to take another look at how it fares in my list. Maybe some day they'll print a Fecundity variant that doesn't also help the rest of the table. Will you eventually be cutting Garruk's Packleader too?
Hey Tev, I know this is semi jank but with the addition of tendershoot and its accompanying buffing with blessing have you considered Sprout Swarm? I was riffing through cards a few days ago and came across that. Also pairs well with Aetherflux reservoir in that once you can get enough going you get loads of life.
I won't be using Sprout Swarm because I lack room. It's not bad if you begin your list with it; however, it goes against the theme of the deck of finding Creatures to Clone over and over again instead of just regular tokens. Having another Buyback spell aside from Constant Mists would be nice to fuel Aetherflux Reservoir but I rather go with the slow and steady instead of attempting to 'combo off'.
<SnipI initially dismissed this card because I figured that getting to use the -8 ability wasn't very likely, and the golden rule for planeswalkers has always been to not rely on getting to the ultimate ability. Furthermore, when I compared it to other rival planeswalkers (Garruk, Gideon, Elspeth, etc), it didn't really do as much by itself and required a lot more of a setup cost to justify its inclusion. How has it fared in practice?
On another note, Tendershoot Dryad was a very obvious inclusion. It's nearly impossible not to ascend in this format, so making a 3/3 on each player's turn for no additional cost seems insane.
Your take on Elemental Bond was interesting enough to get me to take another look at how it fares in my list. Maybe some day they'll print a Fecundity variant that doesn't also help the rest of the table. Will you eventually be cutting Garruk's Packleader too?
I don't know if you've seen a Huatli, Radiant Champion in action but it goes off easily and repeatedly. There's something nice about having two Emblems and keep you drawing cards. I've been pleased with it so far. I don't think I'll cut Garruk's Packleader because it is also a may, but it also good fodder for the Clone train, such as the obscene amount of cards it draws me off of Blade of Selves or begin copying him off of Mimic Vat.
I'm currently toying with adding a Titania, Protector of ArgothDust Bowl package to the deck. I realized that the deck functions like a 'pubstomp' deck, so I moved it up a tier in my deck classifications which then lets me play with a whole new set of dirty cards.
This deck idea was recently featured in a video, and most of the important cards are pretty much the same as yours.
One suggestion they have and you lack, though, is Séance, which has pretty good potential.
I'm currently toying with adding a Titania, Protector of ArgothDust Bowl package to the deck. I realized that the deck functions like a 'pubstomp' deck, so I moved it up a tier in my deck classifications which then lets me play with a whole new set of dirty cards.
The problem with a lot of those lands is that they don't fix colors, and Trostani comes with a very difficult casting cost. When you're trying to pay GGWW with Ghost Quarter and Strip Mine, you aren't in a very good position. Furthermore, as a green deck, you aren't as likely to run non-land fixing options like Signets and Talismans, although I currently run the former in my list for that very reason.
I get that but there has to be a happy medium that you can get to. You don't have to throw all of them in just maybe 3 or so of the better ones so that you can cycle them late game. Heck dust bowl, field of ruin, and ghost would be the likeliest and least bank breaker alongside keeping enough agro from destroying lands.
I don't think colorless utility lands are such a huge problem in a 2-colored deck. It would only make casting Trostani more difficult being as you need GGWW to cast it. But you could still potentially cast most anything else in the deck.
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i have to suggest this card because the potential is amazing. Riftsweeper you get all of your value cards you've exiled back and when you throne him into exile you can target him right away and shuffle him back, then populate the token as many times as you want forever. tho i suggest you put Séance back in if you run him
This deck idea was recently featured in a video, and most of the important cards are pretty much the same as yours.
One suggestion they have and you lack, though, is Séance, which has pretty good potential.
Damn, Muddstah you thief! Well, whatever, I can rub that in his face sometime.
I cut Séance because there were too many hoops to jump through as stated by EonAon.
I'm currently toying with adding a Titania, Protector of ArgothDust Bowl package to the deck. I realized that the deck functions like a 'pubstomp' deck, so I moved it up a tier in my deck classifications which then lets me play with a whole new set of dirty cards.
@Shermando
tev had it in his listing and changed it out for god-pharos gift. The explanation is on page three.
I'm not going with all of those land destruction lands, I think just Dust Bowl should do the trick. Crucible of Worlds is not under consideration because it costs too much money.
The problem with a lot of those lands is that they don't fix colors, and Trostani comes with a very difficult casting cost. When you're trying to pay GGWW with Ghost Quarter and Strip Mine, you aren't in a very good position. Furthermore, as a green deck, you aren't as likely to run non-land fixing options like Signets and Talismans, although I currently run the former in my list for that very reason.
I don't mind if Trostani doesn't come down exactly on Turn 3/4, but I do agree that too much colorless is a problem.
I don't think colorless utility lands are such a huge problem in a 2-colored deck. It would only make casting Trostani more difficult being as you need GGWW to cast it. But you could still potentially cast most anything else in the deck.
There have been times where I did have some difficulty getting Trostani out, which is partly why I made a bunch of changes to the deck.
i have to suggest this card because the potential is amazing. Riftsweeper you get all of your value cards you've exiled back and when you throne him into exile you can target him right away and shuffle him back, then populate the token as many times as you want forever. tho i suggest you put Séance back in if you run him
Riftsweeper seems like too much of a do nothing, it doesn't help me win or add much more desired redundancy.
My group has recently convinced me that despite not being a brutal 'Tier 2' deck, Trostani hits a point where she cannot lose and thus should be considered more than just a standard deck. With people considering the deck to be at a higher power level, I've decided to add some more nastiness to the deck to suite its entry into a higher tier. I took some cues from Bobthefunny's Trostani list.
Knight of the Reliquary helps me find all of my good utility lands, which I rank more important than Intangible Virtue, such as grabbing Dust Bowl or Glacial Chasm.
Titania should take advantage of a lot of the land sacrifice that has been added to the deck. Awakening Zone has been lacklustre for a little while.
Nacatl War-Pride was one of my original spiciness that after the Cat Precon came out lost a lot of its originality. Also, with how the deck runs now (in theory) there will be less punch through combat but more of a combined arms win. With the kitties losing their spark, I will go with old faithful Sun Titan who should get lands back into play or more. He'll also be much nastier to get a copy train going.
After that, it's just adding a land package. I cut every land that comes into play without a land advantage, such as Bridge and Heights. The unfetchable duals get axed due to their unreliability, though I think Sunpetal Grove will never be a problem. I added Nykthos because of how much buildup it requires to be successful and added Terrain Generator in its place to help ramp. I thought of cutting Command Tower due to not being a Basic for the various fetches but I figure it's OK.
Since Glacial Chasm doesn't count as a true land drop, I also made room by adding another land to the deck. Rootborn Defences was the swap, which makes sense to me since they both protect but Chasm does so at a much more comprehensible level.
Eh I would keep intangible, rootborn, fortified village, and leave out terrain generator. I've never gotten terrain generator to wow me in any deck that really needs to drop lands that much, and unless you have seedborn muse out all the time you cant multidrop lands. I mean its doable but no way in heck consistent.
I have suggested this to Bob but because of past experiences both with and against it he was kind of reluctant, maze of ith seems like a auto include. After that Sylvan scrying to auto find the land you need be it ith, glacial, or whatever utility land might have a place in here. Admittedly it doesn't place the land onto the battlefield but the ability to grab anything would seem to offset that.
I'm a big fan of the Knight and Titania in this list. There are enough utility lands, fetches, and other pieces that make it all work together. Without looking at any actual lists, I think Sun Titan is in the top five overall white cards in this whole format, so no excuse not to run it everywhere.
I added another small land package to my list over the weekend that requires very little deck space to implement:
Your basic count isn't affected too much, and this allows you an easy way to either ramp into a dual on turn two, or just fix your mana, for very little cost.
EDIT: Also, for those who haven't yet had the pleasure, Tendershoot Dryad is the absolute nuts.
Mouth to Feed had a lot of hoops and sometimes I wouldn't really be able to draw once I get there. Nissa has fewer in comparison and considering how land centric this deck has just become, I'll enjoy using her emblem.
The reason I don't play Doubling Season in my list is Glacial Chasm and Delaying Shield. Both protect me against Infect and commander damage but I don't want more counters than necessary on them. In fact, I do play Solemnity to completely protect myself from damage with one of those cards out.
I've recently cut Blade of Selves because it felt like win more; and I also never used it that often.
Interesting to see you using Archangel of Thune but not Spike Feeder in combination with it. That was always a combo I would've wanted to build but I never had the chance to get an Archangel, so I built my deck more defensive.
Also I don't like to win with cards like Test of Endurance or Felidar Sovereign, so I left them out completely. It's like killing an endboss in a video game with a single shot. It may be effective, but where is the fun?
I'm also considering Tendershoot Dryad and Ramunap Excavator but I don't know exactly what to cut for it. I feel like Druid's Deliverance is a card that I don't need that much anymore. It was there since the first version and I never really needed it. Maybe also Rootborn Defenses.
EDIT:
I made the changes I mentioned above and it worked out. Glacial Chasm is way too overpowered in Trostani. I survived against an army of over 500 Goblins from Krenko, Mob Boss until I finally drew into both of my wincons (Aetherflux Reservoir and Craterhoof Behemoth). Both were in the last 6 cards of my deck.
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Helm of the Host has to go in there, no discussion! Maybe also Evra, Halcyon Witness.
Although there aren't many legendary creatures in my list, a free token copy is always appreciated.
@KitsuLeif:
There ya go! THAT'S the one. That card is RIDICULOUS. Combining that with Trostani is the kind of level of jank I always aspire to achieve. Especially with what the card notes state about it. SPLENDIFEROUS!!
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I'm not so certain. It's nine mana to get going; Blade of Selves sometimes feels cumbersome at six. This would be replacing Blade of Selves in my list, I can't imagine cutting anything else. I'll definitely give it a try and it would have a place in a more casual Trostani, but my build has gotten pretty lean and mean.
Well, those Tokens stay and you can even copy Trostani with it. And then copy her more. And more. This should let your life total explode.
Exactly, not only do you have a super burst in life, but they can populate as well. Meaning that they can populate themselves because they don't have the legend part of the card.
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I initially dismissed this card because I figured that getting to use the -8 ability wasn't very likely, and the golden rule for planeswalkers has always been to not rely on getting to the ultimate ability. Furthermore, when I compared it to other rival planeswalkers (Garruk, Gideon, Elspeth, etc), it didn't really do as much by itself and required a lot more of a setup cost to justify its inclusion. How has it fared in practice?
On another note, Tendershoot Dryad was a very obvious inclusion. It's nearly impossible not to ascend in this format, so making a 3/3 on each player's turn for no additional cost seems insane.
Your take on Elemental Bond was interesting enough to get me to take another look at how it fares in my list. Maybe some day they'll print a Fecundity variant that doesn't also help the rest of the table. Will you eventually be cutting Garruk's Packleader too?
Yeva (88/92 foils)
Raff
Scarab
Rakdos
Wort ($50 budget, 94/97 foils)
Trostani
I'm currently toying with adding a Titania, Protector of Argoth Dust Bowl package to the deck. I realized that the deck functions like a 'pubstomp' deck, so I moved it up a tier in my deck classifications which then lets me play with a whole new set of dirty cards.
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One suggestion they have and you lack, though, is Séance, which has pretty good potential.
Crucible of Worlds is then in consideration? Having both runrap and worlds together seems like a plan. Then would
Field of Ruin, Ghost Quarter, Tectonic Edge, and Strip Mine on the maybe adds? Or are they too unfun?
@Shermando
tev had it in his listing and changed it out for god-pharos gift. The explanation is on page three.
Yeva (88/92 foils)
Raff
Scarab
Rakdos
Wort ($50 budget, 94/97 foils)
Trostani
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I cut Séance because there were too many hoops to jump through as stated by EonAon. I'm not going with all of those land destruction lands, I think just Dust Bowl should do the trick. Crucible of Worlds is not under consideration because it costs too much money. I don't mind if Trostani doesn't come down exactly on Turn 3/4, but I do agree that too much colorless is a problem. There have been times where I did have some difficulty getting Trostani out, which is partly why I made a bunch of changes to the deck.Riftsweeper seems like too much of a do nothing, it doesn't help me win or add much more desired redundancy.
My group has recently convinced me that despite not being a brutal 'Tier 2' deck, Trostani hits a point where she cannot lose and thus should be considered more than just a standard deck. With people considering the deck to be at a higher power level, I've decided to add some more nastiness to the deck to suite its entry into a higher tier. I took some cues from Bobthefunny's Trostani list.
1 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
1 Sun Titan
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Terrain Generator
1 Dust Bowl
1 Windswept Heath
2 Forest
1 Plains
1 Intangible Virtue
1 Awakening Zone
1 Nacatl War-Pride
1 Rootborn Defenses
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1 Fortified Village
1 Selesnya Sanctuary
1 Sungrass Prairie
1 Mosswort Bridge
1 Windbrisk Heights
Titania should take advantage of a lot of the land sacrifice that has been added to the deck. Awakening Zone has been lacklustre for a little while.
Nacatl War-Pride was one of my original spiciness that after the Cat Precon came out lost a lot of its originality. Also, with how the deck runs now (in theory) there will be less punch through combat but more of a combined arms win. With the kitties losing their spark, I will go with old faithful Sun Titan who should get lands back into play or more. He'll also be much nastier to get a copy train going.
After that, it's just adding a land package. I cut every land that comes into play without a land advantage, such as Bridge and Heights. The unfetchable duals get axed due to their unreliability, though I think Sunpetal Grove will never be a problem. I added Nykthos because of how much buildup it requires to be successful and added Terrain Generator in its place to help ramp. I thought of cutting Command Tower due to not being a Basic for the various fetches but I figure it's OK.
Since Glacial Chasm doesn't count as a true land drop, I also made room by adding another land to the deck. Rootborn Defences was the swap, which makes sense to me since they both protect but Chasm does so at a much more comprehensible level.
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I have suggested this to Bob but because of past experiences both with and against it he was kind of reluctant, maze of ith seems like a auto include. After that Sylvan scrying to auto find the land you need be it ith, glacial, or whatever utility land might have a place in here. Admittedly it doesn't place the land onto the battlefield but the ability to grab anything would seem to offset that.
I added another small land package to my list over the weekend that requires very little deck space to implement:
1 Into the North
1 Arctic Flats
1 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Snow-Covered Plains
1 Selesnya Signet
2 Forest
1 Plains
EDIT: Also, for those who haven't yet had the pleasure, Tendershoot Dryad is the absolute nuts.
Yeva (88/92 foils)
Raff
Scarab
Rakdos
Wort ($50 budget, 94/97 foils)
Trostani
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Filthy Casual: WUBRG Jodah WUBRG WUBRG Fatties WUBRG Gahiji Vigilant Vengeance Ezuri Mysterious Morphs
1 Nissa, Vital Force
1 Mouth // Feed
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That’s reasonable. I haven’t had a chance to test this package yet but adding 1-2 more of each basic would not be hard to do either.
Yeva (88/92 foils)
Raff
Scarab
Rakdos
Wort ($50 budget, 94/97 foils)
Trostani
I've recently cut Blade of Selves because it felt like win more; and I also never used it that often.
Interesting to see you using Archangel of Thune but not Spike Feeder in combination with it. That was always a combo I would've wanted to build but I never had the chance to get an Archangel, so I built my deck more defensive.
1 Aetherflux Reservoir
1 Akroma's Memorial
1 Alhammarret's Archive
1 Commander's Sphere
1 Expedition Map
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Mimic Vat
1 Phyrexian Processor
1 Selesnya Signet
1 Sol Ring
1 Vedalken Orrery
1 Well of Lost Dreams
//21 Creature
1 Armada Wurm
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
1 Crested Sunmare
1 Desolation Twin
1 Eternal Witness
1 Garruk's Packleader
1 Giant Adephage
1 Hornet Queen
1 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1 Rhox Faithmender
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Seedborn Muse
1 Serra Avatar
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Sun Titan
1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
1 Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage
1 Voice of Resurgence
1 Wayfaring Temple
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Anointed Procession
1 Aura Shards
1 Delaying Shield
1 Elemental Bond
1 Glare of Subdual
1 Greater Good
1 Growing Ranks
1 Growing Rites of Itlimoc
1 Mirari's Wake
1 Sandwurm Convergence
1 Solemnity
1 Zendikar Resurgent
//7 Instant
1 Advent of the Wurm
1 Druid's Deliverance
1 Path to Exile
1 Return to Dust
1 Rootborn Defenses
1 Second Harvest
1 Swords to Plowshares
//37 Land
1 Ancient Tomb
1 Canopy Vista
1 City of Brass
1 Command Tower
1 Deserted Temple
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Eiganjo Castle
1 Flagstones of Trokair
1 Flooded Strand
6 Forest
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Grove of the Guardian
1 Krosan Verge
1 Mana Confluence
1 Mirrorpool
1 Mistveil Plains
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1 Path of Ancestry
6 Plains
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Selesnya Sanctuary
1 Strip Mine
1 Sungrass Prairie
1 Sunpetal Grove
1 Temple of Plenty
1 Temple of the False God
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter
//8 Sorcery
1 Ezuri's Predation
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Hour of Reckoning
1 Plea for Guidance
1 Rampant Growth
1 Rishkar's Expertise
1 Selvala's Stampede
1 Skyshroud Claim
//Commander
1 Trostani, Selesnya's Voice
Also I don't like to win with cards like Test of Endurance or Felidar Sovereign, so I left them out completely. It's like killing an endboss in a video game with a single shot. It may be effective, but where is the fun?
I'm also considering Tendershoot Dryad and Ramunap Excavator but I don't know exactly what to cut for it. I feel like Druid's Deliverance is a card that I don't need that much anymore. It was there since the first version and I never really needed it. Maybe also Rootborn Defenses.
EDIT:
I made the changes I mentioned above and it worked out.
Glacial Chasm is way too overpowered in Trostani. I survived against an army of over 500 Goblins from Krenko, Mob Boss until I finally drew into both of my wincons (Aetherflux Reservoir and Craterhoof Behemoth). Both were in the last 6 cards of my deck.
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Helm of the Host has to go in there, no discussion! Maybe also Evra, Halcyon Witness.
@KitsuLeif:
There ya go! THAT'S the one. That card is RIDICULOUS. Combining that with Trostani is the kind of level of jank I always aspire to achieve. Especially with what the card notes state about it. SPLENDIFEROUS!!
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Exactly, not only do you have a super burst in life, but they can populate as well. Meaning that they can populate themselves because they don't have the legend part of the card.
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