Out of all the new commander I love this pair the most and think they have excellent synergy with each other so I built a combo deck based around the commanders its not overly oppressive but can win pretty fast and its loads of fun suggestions welcome!
When C'16 was spoiled I just didn't feel very excited about any of the new commanders except, Thrasios. I too was planning to build Thrasios and Kydele when I got more time, but apparently now I do not have to, I can just steal yours. Thanks Mox
+ Leyline of Anticipation
+ Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
+ Survival of The Fittest
First game with Leyline I open handed it and won with tooth and nail on someone else turn when I get a read that the other simic mage who's Seedborn Muse I had copied Doesn't have a counter and win in response to khalia equipping swift-foot boots to avoid whatever he wanted to do.
Check out the other thread on Thrasios+Kydele. We brewed some consistent UG lists that use mana combos to win with Thrasios. Are you opposed to using combos?
Check out the other thread on Thrasios+Kydele. We brewed some consistent UG lists that use mana combos to win with Thrasios. Are you opposed to using combos?
Well so far I have only lost one time in about 10 games but mtgo is not that amazing competition in fact its way better than I intedned it to be, I haven't played this in paper yet. The kill conditions are craterhoof as back up plan and aetherflux reservoir is the main kill condition. In general you tutor muse mainly banking on Thrasios + seedborn muse to take over the game then combo is easy to find just get palinchron + vorinclex or phantasmal image the bounces create all the damage for reservoir and thras can always draw the deck. I have won as early as turn 3 via tooth and nail but the average kill is like turn 6ish it seems which is already faster than I had intended but If seedborn muse doesn't get immediately answered its pretty much been GG and even when it does die its easy to get back. Mind over matter does pretty much the same thing as palinchron combo if you manage to get both commanders out though the all star is honestly Thrasios which has more than exceeded my expectations and is unassuming at least online where Kydele has been awesome when it gets online at cmc 4 their seems to be less good times to deploy her barring hands with like sol ring . So to answer your question I am already using mana combos
Changes from testing today
- Avenger zendikar - literally never cast or wanted to cast this card
+ mystic snake - creature tutorable counter pods out to muse nice to have on chord of calling or survival ups my counter count which is good as drawing forbid seems to end games as a real mvp and once I get going i always want more counters to hold everyone down until I can go off dumping the rest of mana into thrasios so while its a bit over-costed bodies in this deck seem to be well worth the investment. The first game I had it I corded it out and i won that game and it was fairly tight as once I have muse rolling the teaming begins.
There are a lot of simple 2-card combos in UG that generate unlimited colorless mana. With any one of those you can activate Thrasios to go through as much of your deck as you want. You put every single land in play (untapped) and the rest of the cards in your hand. At that point, winning the game is trivial. You can win with Avenger of Zendikar plant tokens or Tidespout Tyrant bouncing opponents' whole board or even Laboratory Maniac.
Kydele even goes infinite with Sword of the Paruns and friends as long as you've cast a "draw 3" spell at some point earlier that turn (plus your Draw Step = 4 draws), e.g. Brainstorm or Compulsive Research. So you can use both commanders to set up a fast win, if you are not opposed to using mana combos.
Yea im aware of all of the combos Im not so sure overloading on them is necessary I did find the thread though and looking at that list I do think should play bloom tender completely forgot about that card. There have been a couple games I wanted Regal force but im not running as many dorks and if i did include that i think i would want to add natural order as well which is a possibility. I just tested a game without cruicble of worlds for bloom tender had fabricate and it was not what i wanted to fetch but i had a stupidly good hand and won turn 4 casting time spiral with an insane board state for t4 bricked on 5 lands but hit memory jar cracked jar hit mom for instant win. Cards im running that i think could be replaced are Solemn which is nice to have on the pod chain but overall underwhelming its nice he is colorless though I still think I want a few ways to filter colorless mana with either candelabra or Frantic search both would love me to replace slots with more support in mana doublers. RoR is fairly unneeded but it did win me a game where I drew it and my foolish opponent thought casting sudden spoiliing on my team when I was kicking on crater hoof would matter but he did not realize how layers or clones function XD. In general I honestly don't feel like i need to jam that many combo pieces into the deck but i do feel like their are some weak slots Ill check out the thread more in depth later Bloom tender is a nice add for now though . I kind of want to see what it is that i really need before trimming the worst cards for new ones im a grinder XD.
love the deck moxnix and I'm trying it out myself.
Have you considered retreat to coralhelm? Seems great with both commanders out. Maybe win more, but I notice that the only untapper for Kydele you run is Mind Over Matter (which is a fine one at that, mind you.)
Yea I should probably play wordly tutor. Im not a huge fan of sylvan tutor EE is not that great here but I could run NO which is a lot better. I will test worldly tutor and NO in intuitions slot and see if I like them better Intuition is not particularly good here though I honestly don't need to be trimming 3 drops hmm. I just need to grind this more Leyline is probably the best cut but its just too much fun with what im going for and very good if I get lucky and open hand it. If i decide the tempo loss is to great when I don't open hand it and see it in a few games ill cut that but thanks for suggestion i am in market for 3 drops but I don't think retreat to coralhelm is whta im looking for something that is a good play turn 3 while im developing for if I did not hit 1-2 cc acceleration maybe Dizzy spell might not be horrible .
You don't need to overload on 10 mana combos, but the point of running more than one is to have some redundancy in case you can't draw/tutor the right piece or it gets killed. Good decks will disrupt you. Vorinclex is pretty slow to get going. Seedborn Muse is great but also has a huge target on it. Good opponents will kill it before you can develop much of an advantage. I'm surprised you won't even consider something that combos with Kydele like Sword of the Paruns. As soon as you've drawn 4 cards (e.g. off Thrasios activations or Timetwister or Time Spiral or Brainstorm or Sylvan Library), you can get unlimited mana off Kydele and then use Thrasios to draw what you need from your deck to win.
If you won't run any other combos and are going all-in on Seedborn Muse, I would also recommend more creature tutors so you can at least get to Seedborn consistently: Worldly Tutor Natural Order -- also finds Craterhoof or Vorinclex to let you win without the commanders Birthing Pod (you can always Pod Kydele into Seedborn Muse)
I agree Sylvan Tutor and Eldritch Evolution are probably too weak to be worth their slots. Fauna Shaman is an option (also great for finding toolbox creatures) but might be too slow and fragile.
In a 2-color deck, Bloom Tender only taps for UG. Others were running it to go infinite with Freed from the Real. Without that, there are better ramp creatures.
What about more protection for your combo creatures? Pact of Negation lets you safely tap out for Thrasios' ability instead of having to leave 2 mana open all the time (which can often mean 1 less activation).
Also, the cut of Avenger of Zendikar... I understand that from your play experience you were never excited to draw this and never tutored for it. Hell, T&N should only really be getting Palinchron + a friend for an infinite. All that I understand, but Avengar surely helps with the Cradle, Chord, and Thrasios, no? And doesn't Avenger fit a natural spot on the Pod chain? You can pod it into Craterhoof for the kill? Speaking of which, Cratehoof seems like a weird "back-up" win condition when no plant tokens are to be found.
Not trying to hate, just wanting to generate more discussion. I'm only in theory mode myself right now on the deck, but am very excited to test it with my paper group!
I agree with A lot of this in fact its where some of my thinking has been I in fact cut the backup kill condition all together but I just used it to fix larger problems the deck had mainly the curve being very clunky with too many 4 drops. I tested NO it was not good for this build at all in fact as i made changes adn my creature count dipped below 19 I didn't even like survival . I Already run pod and I am not really a fan of the flicker idea. Bloom tedner has been excellent i wanted mana dorks that can make blue for the most part. Now worldly tutor on the other hand is exactly what I want as it lets me drop muse on time which that really is the strategy I am going for here Land muse dominate all 3 players.
So I have grinded the deck and made quite a few changes From the OP
- Intuition
- Survival of the fittest
- Wasteland
- Leyline of anticipation
- Right of Replication
- Craterhoof Behemoth
- Solemn Simulacrum
all under performing cards with my main lines Intuition was not good here as much as I love the card. Survival was inconsistent with my now lower creature count. I shaved 1 land as I added in some can-trips and a mana rock without crucible of worlds Its not really that important the decks fairly color hungry and the other 4 colorless lands are better. Leyline - as expected its a fun card and excellent in opening hand and garbage drawn at any other time unless its win more. RoR + hoof i used this backup exactly one time so far and I feel confident if I somehow get thge reservoir exiled I can just play the control C Rift swing line in this shell without much issue. Solemn was just underwhelming and the cards I am podding into in this deck are always better between sower clone effect arch mage and oracle im fine with having half an arch-mage over a land and a card when i pod through to muse and not play a subpar card
+ Rhystic study - While the synergy is not here with kydele its not reason not to play it i had a real issue where i needed more cards at 3 or 1 or both on my curve here to get better hands and draws So this is one of the 2 early game development 3 drops I needed playing a 4cc and 2cc commander
+ Coalition Relic - I wanted another 3 drops that developed this one threatens my 6 drops t4 and has excellent synergy with seed-born muse and produces colored mana also leaving open a possible 6 for keydele + 2cc counterspell which is a line i would love to have in many games
+ Wordly Tutor- Finds muse or my combo/ utility cards doesnt require me to have a deck built to use it corecctly to be good is and its 1 drop
+ Ponder - What better way to get the card to play when im trying smooth out my deck when trying to fix clunkyness bonus points for just goign U-C with kydele
+ Preordain - Same as ponder
+ Negate- This deck really wants lots of counterspells it is very much a counter spell stuff deck this one is the best 2cc counter i was not running IMO as it hits spot removal and wrath spells
+ Misdirection - Another free counterspell that defends against spot removal or other counterspells for the one normal window im vulrable when i get a muse tutor early I did consider swan song and pact of negation but i think that exiling a blue in a deck that draws this much and makes a play from the command zone early is alot easier and less risky than the tempo loss on Pact where iF i use it on say STP or counterpsell on my cast Seedborn Muse play i risk losing it on my next upkeep and they have plenty of time to prepare for that window Also once muse is safe I dont mind the hardcast cost
Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix + Teferi's Puzzle box = BFF's
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I mean thats a sweet interaction for sure but its not leovold its got the howling mine problem in that its kind of huggy drawing people into sol rings etc and letting them choose to remove the kydele before the trigger hits them or draw into a kill spell if they don't have one. Played 5 more games current list feels much more smooth.
I am really liking the list now, you got rid of most of the questionable cards. Looking at Green Sun's Zenith, though its a great card, it only gets green targets and I am thinking it might be better as Natural Order to fetch Vorinclex.
GSZ has been excellent NO > clex is a nice line but im more built to go GSZ > muse i tested NO i thought it would be good but goign sac my commander > clex was not horrible if i waited until 5 mana and held up a 2cc counterspell but it still left me more open than I liked. I made 1 change today
- Body double
+ Venser, Shaper Savant
body double was supposed to be a backup way to assemble my combo or get back muse but it was just so useless when I drew it and I rarely wanted that line of play i can always twister / spiral regrow /witness her or chron back in if I really need too. Venser fits now since I shaved other 4 drops and Pods right into the muse while increase my counterpsell count as well as giving me another all purpose bounce spell to deal with nasty permanents that I felt I had too few answers too.
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deck feels like it finally has enough counters now
Would you like to try Ambassador Laquatus or Sphinx's Tutelage? Tutelage especially works great with Thrasios' card drawing ability, and Laquatus is an alternate mana sink for Kydele.
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MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Hey Moxnix you said somewhere in this thread that you play this deck on MODO. Do you normally play 1v1 or 4 player?
Both more games have been played as 4 player as the strategy is pretty dependent on seed-born muse despite that its done pretty well in 1:1 as well.
"Hey Mox can you do more vids of this deck?" I will eventually but i just posted multiple and the last one was nearly an hour long with like 6 games in it! im currently working on something different for my next video
@ manite i don't think i need another mana sink and I have never been a fan of milling anyone but myself XD.
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Mystical and Worldly Tutors are already in the deck. Rashmi seems bad, Momir seems win more, and Vorinclex > High Tide and its a creature, so its easily tutored in G green. Even if I did not have Vorinclex I think I would play Regal Behemoth over High Tide.
1 Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix
1 Thrasios, Triton Hero
Lands 34
1 Alchemist's Refuge
1 Ancient Tomb
1 Breeding Pool
1 Command Tower
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Flooded Grove
1 Flooded Strand
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Hinterland Harbor
1 Mana Confluence
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Strip Mine
1 Temple of Mystery
1 Tropical Island
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Yavimaya Coast
8 Island
4 Forest
CMC 0
1 Chrome Mox
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Diamond
CMC 1
1 Arbor Elf
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Brainstorm
1 Carpet of Flowers
1 Expedition Map
1 Fyndhorn Elves
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Nature's Claim
1 Ponder
1 Preordain
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
1 Swan Song
1 Training Grounds
1 Worldly Tutor
1 Arcane Denial
1 Bloom Tender
1 Counterspell
1 Cyclonic Rift
1 Delay
1 Mana Drain
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Nature's Lore
1 Negate
1 Phantasmal Image
1 Regrowth
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Sylvan Library
1 Three Visits
CMC 3
1 Coalition Relic
1 Eternal Witness
1 Fabricate
1 Forbid
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Timetwister
1 Trinket Mage
1 Windfall
CMC 4
1 Aetherflux Reservoir
1 Birthing Pod
1 Cryptic Command
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Mystic Snake
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Rashmi, Eternities Crafter
1 Sower of Temptation
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
1 Force of Will
1 Future Sight
1 Memory Jar
1 Mystic Confluence
1 Seedborn Muse
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
CMC 6
1 Consecrated Sphinx
1 Mind over Matter
1 Recurring Insight
1 Time Spiral
CMC 7
1 Palinchron
1 Tooth and Nail
CMC 8
1 Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
Cost X
1 Chord of Calling
1 Green Sun's Zenith
How to win 101. Cast commanders > tutor seedborn muse > draw cards > cast mind over matter or tooth and nail > reservoir
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-Asceticism
-Azusa Lost but seeking
+ Leyline of Anticipation
+ Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
+ Survival of The Fittest
First game with Leyline I open handed it and won with tooth and nail on someone else turn when I get a read that the other simic mage who's Seedborn Muse I had copied Doesn't have a counter and win in response to khalia equipping swift-foot boots to avoid whatever he wanted to do.
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Check out the other thread on Thrasios+Kydele. We brewed some consistent UG lists that use mana combos to win with Thrasios. Are you opposed to using combos?
Well so far I have only lost one time in about 10 games but mtgo is not that amazing competition in fact its way better than I intedned it to be, I haven't played this in paper yet. The kill conditions are craterhoof as back up plan and aetherflux reservoir is the main kill condition. In general you tutor muse mainly banking on Thrasios + seedborn muse to take over the game then combo is easy to find just get palinchron + vorinclex or phantasmal image the bounces create all the damage for reservoir and thras can always draw the deck. I have won as early as turn 3 via tooth and nail but the average kill is like turn 6ish it seems which is already faster than I had intended but If seedborn muse doesn't get immediately answered its pretty much been GG and even when it does die its easy to get back. Mind over matter does pretty much the same thing as palinchron combo if you manage to get both commanders out though the all star is honestly Thrasios which has more than exceeded my expectations and is unassuming at least online where Kydele has been awesome when it gets online at cmc 4 their seems to be less good times to deploy her barring hands with like sol ring . So to answer your question I am already using mana combos
Changes from testing today
- Avenger zendikar - literally never cast or wanted to cast this card
+ mystic snake - creature tutorable counter pods out to muse nice to have on chord of calling or survival ups my counter count which is good as drawing forbid seems to end games as a real mvp and once I get going i always want more counters to hold everyone down until I can go off dumping the rest of mana into thrasios so while its a bit over-costed bodies in this deck seem to be well worth the investment. The first game I had it I corded it out and i won that game and it was fairly tight as once I have muse rolling the teaming begins.
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In the other thread, we brewed lists with several easy-to-assemble combinations that instantly win the game off Thrasios. Anything like
-Basalt Monolith+Power Artifact/Rings of Brighthearth
-Grand Architect+Pili-Pala
-Deadeye Navigator+Palinchron/Peregrine Drake.
There are a lot of simple 2-card combos in UG that generate unlimited colorless mana. With any one of those you can activate Thrasios to go through as much of your deck as you want. You put every single land in play (untapped) and the rest of the cards in your hand. At that point, winning the game is trivial. You can win with Avenger of Zendikar plant tokens or Tidespout Tyrant bouncing opponents' whole board or even Laboratory Maniac.
Kydele even goes infinite with Sword of the Paruns and friends as long as you've cast a "draw 3" spell at some point earlier that turn (plus your Draw Step = 4 draws), e.g. Brainstorm or Compulsive Research. So you can use both commanders to set up a fast win, if you are not opposed to using mana combos.
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Have you considered retreat to coralhelm? Seems great with both commanders out. Maybe win more, but I notice that the only untapper for Kydele you run is Mind Over Matter (which is a fine one at that, mind you.)
If the main plan involves tutoring up Seedborn Muse then I would think you'd want more creature tutors like Worldly Tutor, Sylvan Tutor and Eldritch Evolution.
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If you won't run any other combos and are going all-in on Seedborn Muse, I would also recommend more creature tutors so you can at least get to Seedborn consistently:
Worldly Tutor
Natural Order -- also finds Craterhoof or Vorinclex to let you win without the commanders
Birthing Pod (you can always Pod Kydele into Seedborn Muse)
I agree Sylvan Tutor and Eldritch Evolution are probably too weak to be worth their slots. Fauna Shaman is an option (also great for finding toolbox creatures) but might be too slow and fragile.
In a 2-color deck, Bloom Tender only taps for UG. Others were running it to go infinite with Freed from the Real. Without that, there are better ramp creatures.
What about more protection for your combo creatures? Pact of Negation lets you safely tap out for Thrasios' ability instead of having to leave 2 mana open all the time (which can often mean 1 less activation).
Also, the cut of Avenger of Zendikar... I understand that from your play experience you were never excited to draw this and never tutored for it. Hell, T&N should only really be getting Palinchron + a friend for an infinite. All that I understand, but Avengar surely helps with the Cradle, Chord, and Thrasios, no? And doesn't Avenger fit a natural spot on the Pod chain? You can pod it into Craterhoof for the kill? Speaking of which, Cratehoof seems like a weird "back-up" win condition when no plant tokens are to be found.
Not trying to hate, just wanting to generate more discussion. I'm only in theory mode myself right now on the deck, but am very excited to test it with my paper group!
Keep the awesome simic vids coming please.
So I have grinded the deck and made quite a few changes From the OP
- Intuition
- Survival of the fittest
- Wasteland
- Leyline of anticipation
- Right of Replication
- Craterhoof Behemoth
- Solemn Simulacrum
all under performing cards with my main lines Intuition was not good here as much as I love the card. Survival was inconsistent with my now lower creature count. I shaved 1 land as I added in some can-trips and a mana rock without crucible of worlds Its not really that important the decks fairly color hungry and the other 4 colorless lands are better. Leyline - as expected its a fun card and excellent in opening hand and garbage drawn at any other time unless its win more. RoR + hoof i used this backup exactly one time so far and I feel confident if I somehow get thge reservoir exiled I can just play the control C Rift swing line in this shell without much issue. Solemn was just underwhelming and the cards I am podding into in this deck are always better between sower clone effect arch mage and oracle im fine with having half an arch-mage over a land and a card when i pod through to muse and not play a subpar card
+ Rhystic study - While the synergy is not here with kydele its not reason not to play it i had a real issue where i needed more cards at 3 or 1 or both on my curve here to get better hands and draws So this is one of the 2 early game development 3 drops I needed playing a 4cc and 2cc commander
+ Coalition Relic - I wanted another 3 drops that developed this one threatens my 6 drops t4 and has excellent synergy with seed-born muse and produces colored mana also leaving open a possible 6 for keydele + 2cc counterspell which is a line i would love to have in many games
+ Wordly Tutor- Finds muse or my combo/ utility cards doesnt require me to have a deck built to use it corecctly to be good is and its 1 drop
+ Ponder - What better way to get the card to play when im trying smooth out my deck when trying to fix clunkyness bonus points for just goign U-C with kydele
+ Preordain - Same as ponder
+ Negate- This deck really wants lots of counterspells it is very much a counter spell stuff deck this one is the best 2cc counter i was not running IMO as it hits spot removal and wrath spells
+ Misdirection - Another free counterspell that defends against spot removal or other counterspells for the one normal window im vulrable when i get a muse tutor early I did consider swan song and pact of negation but i think that exiling a blue in a deck that draws this much and makes a play from the command zone early is alot easier and less risky than the tempo loss on Pact where iF i use it on say STP or counterpsell on my cast Seedborn Muse play i risk losing it on my next upkeep and they have plenty of time to prepare for that window Also once muse is safe I dont mind the hardcast cost
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Anyway I've started my own gameplay channel in which I play games (Magic also)
Twitch:
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Youtube:
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- Body double
+ Venser, Shaper Savant
body double was supposed to be a backup way to assemble my combo or get back muse but it was just so useless when I drew it and I rarely wanted that line of play i can always twister / spiral regrow /witness her or chron back in if I really need too. Venser fits now since I shaved other 4 drops and Pods right into the muse while increase my counterpsell count as well as giving me another all purpose bounce spell to deal with nasty permanents that I felt I had too few answers too.
Edit >
-exploration
+ Swan Song
deck feels like it finally has enough counters now
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GWUBAtraxa, Praetor's Voice PrimerGWUB
GWURoon Bant Blink WhateverGWU
BRGLord Windgrace LandsBRG
Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Both more games have been played as 4 player as the strategy is pretty dependent on seed-born muse despite that its done pretty well in 1:1 as well.
"Hey Mox can you do more vids of this deck?" I will eventually but i just posted multiple and the last one was nearly an hour long with like 6 games in it! im currently working on something different for my next video
@ manite i don't think i need another mana sink and I have never been a fan of milling anyone but myself XD.
Damia http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=410191
DDFT Legacyhttp://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=505247
Domain Zoo http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=10212429#post10212429
Rashmi, Eternities Crafter and Momir Vig, Simic Visionary are also good support.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Mystical and Worldly Tutors are already in the deck. Rashmi seems bad, Momir seems win more, and Vorinclex > High Tide and its a creature, so its easily tutored in G green. Even if I did not have Vorinclex I think I would play Regal Behemoth over High Tide.
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Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort