Ahh I see, worth it to run Eldrazi Displacer for blink effects for Breya?
Yeah I really like master trasmuter in here so it could be worth a shot.
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Anyway I've started my own gameplay channel in which I play games (Magic also)
Anyhow here is my deck list. (Some budget cuts like Underground sea and Volcanic Island, I have proxies of those but I m linking the cards which I have here.)
It looks fairly solid. How has it been running for you?
I personally like having three wheels and may go up to four later.
Also I'm thinking of changing up a few things
Chrome Mox, Chandra, Maybe Tezzeret, and a counter
Add Displacer, Ironworks, Deluge, and Swords to plowshares.
I need deluge more than any card in here and the Displacer and Ironworks work well with the deck and give it a combo finisher. Swords is just good to have.
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Displacer is probably better than the Nim deathmantle. I'm a fan of it for grindier games to keep out what I need through other boardwipes. The 4 isn't awful in the presence of a mana sac outlet since it'll fuel some of the mana, unlike the displacer which needs the permanents present. Food for thought.
Confused. You said displacer was better than deathmantle but then explained why deathmantle was better.
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Ironworks and Deathmantle/Displacer is a kill without Purphy, you don't need him in the deck at all.
Sac two tokens and breya for six, then bring back breya for four and you net two mana. Repeat forever for infinite mana. Then you can use it for infinite tokens and shot down everyone.
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Well, for me the Deathmantle is better. I don't see too many exile effects and more so Toxic Deulge so I realized as I typed that that's meta dependent. I think in the end for whats going on here Displacer is the better piece (I kind of forgot about it as an option until mention a little while ago) but I wanted to mention the upsides of using the Mantle. Academy Ruins is the piece I forgot to mention that helps it out. I also run Expedition Map in my list so snagging it on command is easier. So even when its in the yard with the bit of extra artifact synergy I run it's easier to combo no matter where it is.
Edit: I forgot to post my eggs list before it died as I shift to this. Are you going to transition your lists here your blog/links? Would it be wise to start expanding extra lists? Given how many leaders we have in common I have no issue using them just to add diversity to your blog. More stuff is always good.
Well, for me the Deathmantle is better. I don't see too many exile effects and more so Toxic Deulge so I realized as I typed that that's meta dependent. I think in the end for whats going on here Displacer is the better piece (I kind of forgot about it as an option until mention a little while ago) but I wanted to mention the upsides of using the Mantle. Academy Ruins is the piece I forgot to mention that helps it out. I also run Expedition Map in my list so snagging it on command is easier. So even when its in the yard with the bit of extra artifact synergy I run it's easier to combo no matter where it is.
That's fair, the artifactness of deathmantle is obviously helpful. I just don't care for the card.
I also am debating on cutting some stax effects cards and going for more wide destruction effects.
Adding Cataclysm, Toxic Deluge, Ravages, Displacer, Deathmantle, Ironworks, Swords would make sense
Cutting Static orb, tangle wire, remora, negate, Chandra, I don't know.
The notion theif into wheel should win me the game and has been a good focus but without a dedicated faster combo it's not as helpful as it can be
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I'm thinking of turning the stax package into more global removal. Thus making the game harder that way as well.
I actually don't like Remora so far. It's often just met with me drawing a card and someone strip mining me out of paying for it.
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I think you can go with Remora or Rhystic Study. I think the windows where theyre good are too small- and even then like Doom said with the Remora there are ways around them even when the draw seemed reliable. I really think they're meant for drawn out casual games. Even an early Rhystic Study cant guarantee you immediate draw. Tying up mana is great and all but I've just found that it can't the value it needs from fast paced games.
So am I wrong or is this deck moving towards full combo?
Nah it's still gonna be a control deck but I want some sort of combo that works well with the rest of the deck.
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I only kept a wheel effect (windfall) to make space for stax effects, still not sure if notion thief + dack + windfall is worth it. (since i only play a few games, uni is tiring >.<)
The avg cmc is 2.58, which is pretty good for a stax deck.
Overrall the deck is still fun to pilot at the expense of others like my previous oloro stax build =D
Any ideas of improving other than getting a underground sea / volcanic island =P
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Curious what you removed from the deck.
I personally would keep at least two wheels since Notion Theif gives us wins that way.
Also I don't care for Sharrum in here with the combo, it makes you have a three card combo that doesn't include the general, much harder to pull off here
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Curious what you removed from the deck.
I personally would keep at least two wheels since Notion Theif gives us wins that way.
Also I don't care for Sharrum in here with the combo, it makes you have a three card combo that doesn't include the general, much harder to pull off here
Ahh i see, I removed tangle wire since its a great play early game but not really a good one in the mid/late game.
Sanctuary seems solid, also works well with Static and Winter orb.
Personally I'd put back in Wheel of fortune and Whispering madness to make notion thief win you games as well
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Yeah, that's actually where you wanna make the shots. Or I guess then, my advice is to figure out some meta slots or push for redundancy of whatever is most effective in your meta. For example, in my actual Sharuum deck, I just freed up some slots to add discard and spot removal over counterspells as my meta becomes a little less blue. I think your list is really solid now and could afford whatever slots you wanted. I agree on the Wheels and Notion thief idea, it really does close games and drawing the thief in a competitive meta is just gas. Someone's gonna wheel.
Cut necro because it's hard to cast and I have no way to kill it so it often hurts me.
Remora doesn't do enough since there is tons of LD and opponents will often not let me draw anyway
Tangle wire seems win more.
Deluge needed to be in here and now I have a combo for after Theif/Wheel
These are the other cards I really want to add
Hangerback Walker
Swords to plowshares
Ghirapur Æther Grid
Spellskite
Devastation
Thinking Displacer may become Deathmantle since its more easily recurred and tutorable, I just don't like the card.
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wow....Ghirapur Æther Grid. Def a card I overlooked, I will be looking into this
A friend of mine uses it in his Breya deck and how well it works with Orbs and tokens and killing things makes me need to find room for it
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Cut necro because it's hard to cast and I have no way to kill it so it often hurts me.
Remora doesn't do enough since there is tons of LD and opponents will often not let me draw anyway
Tangle wire seems win more.
Deluge needed to be in here and now I have a combo for after Theif/Wheel
These are the other cards I really want to add
Hangerback Walker
Swords to plowshares
Ghirapur Æther Grid
Spellskite
Devastation
Thinking Displacer may become Deathmantle since its more easily recurred and tutorable, I just don't like the card.
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Yeah I really like master trasmuter in here so it could be worth a shot.
Anyway I've started my own gameplay channel in which I play games (Magic also)
Twitch:
https://www.twitch.tv/dies_to_doom_blade
Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/user/UpsidedownHandshake
1x Anguished Unmaking
1x Arcane Denial
1x Brainstorm
1x Counterspell
1x Cyclonic Rift
1x Dig Through Time
1x Enlightened Tutor
1x Force of Will
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Negate
1x Path to Exile
1x Pyroblast
1x Swan Song
1x Swords to Plowshares
1x Thirst for Knowledge
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Wear / Tear
1x Whir of Invention
Sorcery (13)
1x Armageddon
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Fabricate
1x Gamble
1x Ponder
1x Preordain
1x Ravages of War
1x Scrap Mastery
1x Supreme Verdict
1x Toxic Deluge
1x Vandalblast
1x Whispering Madness
1x Windfall
Enchantment (3)
1x Mystic Remora
1x Necropotence
1x Rhystic Study
1x Clock of Omens
1x Coalition Relic
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Izzet Signet
1x Mana Crypt
1x Mana Vault
1x Mindslaver
1x Mox Diamond
1x Mox Opal
1x Nihil Spellbomb
1x Sculpting Steel
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Skullclamp
1x Smokestack
1x Sol Ring
1x Static Orb
1x Talisman of Dominance
1x Talisman of Progress
1x Tangle Wire
1x Voltaic Key
1x Winter Orb
Planeswalker (5)
1x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
1x Dack Fayden
1x Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast
1x Daretti, Scrap Savant
1x Tezzeret the Seeker
Creature (9)
1x Blightsteel Colossus
1x Dark Confidant
1x Eldrazi Displacer
1x Goblin Welder
1x Kuldotha Forgemaster
1x Master Transmuter
1x Notion Thief
1x Phyrexian Metamorph
1x Snapcaster Mage
1x Academy Ruins
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Bloodstained Mire
1x Command Tower
1x Exotic Orchard
1x Flooded Strand
1x Hallowed Fountain
1x Inventors' Fair
3x Island
1x Mana Confluence
1x Marsh Flats
1x Misty Rainforest
1x Plateau
1x Polluted Delta
1x Prairie Stream
1x Reflecting Pool
1x Scrubland
1x Seat of the Synod
1x Spire of Industry
1x Steam Vents
1x Strip Mine
1x Sulfur Falls
1x Sunken Hollow
1x Tundra
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Wasteland
1x Watery Grave
I am thinking of adding more tap effects such as Icy Manipulator and an alternate non dmg win con such as (Shaaruum + Sculpting + Bitter Ordeal).
Suggestions?
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I personally like having three wheels and may go up to four later.
Also I'm thinking of changing up a few things
Chrome Mox, Chandra, Maybe Tezzeret, and a counter
Add Displacer, Ironworks, Deluge, and Swords to plowshares.
I need deluge more than any card in here and the Displacer and Ironworks work well with the deck and give it a combo finisher. Swords is just good to have.
Anyway I've started my own gameplay channel in which I play games (Magic also)
Twitch:
https://www.twitch.tv/dies_to_doom_blade
Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/user/UpsidedownHandshake
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Anyway I've started my own gameplay channel in which I play games (Magic also)
Twitch:
https://www.twitch.tv/dies_to_doom_blade
Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/user/UpsidedownHandshake
Yet to test it out on a multiplayer match.
I am thinking about adding in Purphoros, God of the Forge + KCI + Nim Deathmantle / Eldrazi Displacer = dead opponents.
Even without the combo, it still hits 6 to each player when Breya comes down and its extremely hard to get rid of.
Modern : Huh?
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Sac two tokens and breya for six, then bring back breya for four and you net two mana. Repeat forever for infinite mana. Then you can use it for infinite tokens and shot down everyone.
Anyway I've started my own gameplay channel in which I play games (Magic also)
Twitch:
https://www.twitch.tv/dies_to_doom_blade
Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/user/UpsidedownHandshake
Edit: I forgot to post my eggs list before it died as I shift to this. Are you going to transition your lists here your blog/links? Would it be wise to start expanding extra lists? Given how many leaders we have in common I have no issue using them just to add diversity to your blog. More stuff is always good.
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That's fair, the artifactness of deathmantle is obviously helpful. I just don't care for the card.
I also am debating on cutting some stax effects cards and going for more wide destruction effects.
Adding Cataclysm, Toxic Deluge, Ravages, Displacer, Deathmantle, Ironworks, Swords would make sense
Cutting Static orb, tangle wire, remora, negate, Chandra, I don't know.
The notion theif into wheel should win me the game and has been a good focus but without a dedicated faster combo it's not as helpful as it can be
Anyway I've started my own gameplay channel in which I play games (Magic also)
Twitch:
https://www.twitch.tv/dies_to_doom_blade
Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/user/UpsidedownHandshake
Whir of Invention could be cut if u wish.
I wouldnt touch the stax package and remora is actually pretty good in any stage of the game.
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I actually don't like Remora so far. It's often just met with me drawing a card and someone strip mining me out of paying for it.
Anyway I've started my own gameplay channel in which I play games (Magic also)
Twitch:
https://www.twitch.tv/dies_to_doom_blade
Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/user/UpsidedownHandshake
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Nah it's still gonna be a control deck but I want some sort of combo that works well with the rest of the deck.
Anyway I've started my own gameplay channel in which I play games (Magic also)
Twitch:
https://www.twitch.tv/dies_to_doom_blade
Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/user/UpsidedownHandshake
1x Anguished Unmaking
1x Arcane Denial
1x Brainstorm
1x Counterspell
1x Cyclonic Rift
1x Enlightened Tutor
1x Force of Will
1x Lim-Dul's Vault
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Negate
1x Path to Exile
1x Pyroblast
1x Swan Song
1x Swords to Plowshares
1x Thirst for Knowledge
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Wear / Tear
Sorcery (13)
1x Armageddon
1x Bitter Ordeal
1x Cataclysm
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Fabricate
1x Ponder
1x Preordain
1x Ravages of War
1x Scrap Mastery
1x Supreme Verdict
1x Toxic Deluge
1x Vandalblast
1x Windfall
Enchantment (1)
1x Necropotence
Artifact (26)
1x Ashnod's Altar
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Clock of Omens
1x Coalition Relic
1x Crucible of Worlds
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Izzet Signet
1x Krark-Clan Ironworks
1x Mana Crypt
1x Mana Vault
1x Mindslaver
1x Mox Diamond
1x Mox Opal
1x Nihil Spellbomb
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Sculpting Steel
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Skullclamp
1x Smokestack
1x Sol Ring
1x Static Orb
1x Talisman of Dominance
1x Talisman of Progress
1x Tangle Wire
1x Voltaic Key
1x Winter Orb
1x Dack Fayden
1x Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast
1x Daretti, Scrap Savant
1x Tezzeret the Seeker
Creature (9)
1x Dark Confidant
1x Eldrazi Displacer
1x Goblin Welder
1x Kuldotha Forgemaster
1x Master Transmuter
1x Notion Thief
1x Phyrexian Metamorph
1x Sharuum the Hegemon
1x Snapcaster Mage
Land (29)
1x Academy Ruins
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Bloodstained Mire
1x Command Tower
1x Exotic Orchard
1x Flooded Strand
1x Hallowed Fountain
1x Inventors' Fair
3x Island
1x Mana Confluence
1x Marsh Flats
1x Misty Rainforest
1x Plateau
1x Polluted Delta
1x Prairie Stream
1x Reflecting Pool
1x Scrubland
1x Seat of the Synod
1x Spire of Industry
1x Steam Vents
1x Strip Mine
1x Sulfur Falls
1x Sunken Hollow
1x Tundra
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Wasteland
1x Watery Grave
So basically keep opponents from playing stuff, draw/tutor for your combo piece and win.
The combos are pretty obvious
1. Shaarum + sculpting steel/Metamorph + bitter = infinite exile
2. Breya + deathmantle/displacer + sac outlet (altar/KCI) = infinite damage/life
I only kept a wheel effect (windfall) to make space for stax effects, still not sure if notion thief + dack + windfall is worth it. (since i only play a few games, uni is tiring >.<)
The avg cmc is 2.58, which is pretty good for a stax deck.
Overrall the deck is still fun to pilot at the expense of others like my previous oloro stax build =D
Any ideas of improving other than getting a underground sea / volcanic island =P
Modern : Huh?
EDH : UBGW Thrasios / Tymna Combo UBGW // GRW Mayael Big Stuff GRW // GU Edric Timewalkers GU
I personally would keep at least two wheels since Notion Theif gives us wins that way.
Also I don't care for Sharrum in here with the combo, it makes you have a three card combo that doesn't include the general, much harder to pull off here
Anyway I've started my own gameplay channel in which I play games (Magic also)
Twitch:
https://www.twitch.tv/dies_to_doom_blade
Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/user/UpsidedownHandshake
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Ahh i see, I removed tangle wire since its a great play early game but not really a good one in the mid/late game.
Thoughts on Inspiring Statuary?
So any other suggestions of card to run?
Modern : Huh?
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Personally I'd put back in Wheel of fortune and Whispering madness to make notion thief win you games as well
Anyway I've started my own gameplay channel in which I play games (Magic also)
Twitch:
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Youtube:
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-Necropotence
-Mystic Remora
-Tangle Wire
+Eldrazi displacer
+krark-Clan Ironworks
+Toxic Deluge
Cut necro because it's hard to cast and I have no way to kill it so it often hurts me.
Remora doesn't do enough since there is tons of LD and opponents will often not let me draw anyway
Tangle wire seems win more.
Deluge needed to be in here and now I have a combo for after Theif/Wheel
These are the other cards I really want to add
Hangerback Walker
Swords to plowshares
Ghirapur Æther Grid
Spellskite
Devastation
Thinking Displacer may become Deathmantle since its more easily recurred and tutorable, I just don't like the card.
Anyway I've started my own gameplay channel in which I play games (Magic also)
Twitch:
https://www.twitch.tv/dies_to_doom_blade
Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/user/UpsidedownHandshake
URXSurf's Up, Mizz Magnus!XRU
URGWKynaios and Tiro's Multiplayer MenagerieWGRU
A friend of mine uses it in his Breya deck and how well it works with Orbs and tokens and killing things makes me need to find room for it
Anyway I've started my own gameplay channel in which I play games (Magic also)
Twitch:
https://www.twitch.tv/dies_to_doom_blade
Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/user/UpsidedownHandshake
Hmmm What do you see in Hangarback Walker that I dont see?
Nice find!
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