Here is my current list rigt now. As you can see it is based on your list and I'm still tweaking it out to my liking. I wanted another wincon so I'm playing Jarad and I want to fit in Sadistic Hypnotist in there but I think Oppression is better since it comes down earlier. The problem is, the list is already so tight and I want all of the cards right now. Root Maze is amazing along with Carpet of Flowers and Contamination specially against U decks. Well, Thorn of Amethyst taxes them so hard.
Here is my current list rigt now. As you can see it is based on your list and I'm still tweaking it out to my liking. I wanted another wincon so I'm playing Jarad and I want to fit in Sadistic Hypnotist in there but I think Oppression is better since it comes down earlier. The problem is, the list is already so tight and I want all of the cards right now. Root Maze is amazing along with Carpet of Flowers and Contamination specially against U decks. Well, Thorn of Amethyst taxes them so hard.
Oooh yeah definitely. I had a thought though. Why are people playing Hope over Xantid Swarm? Besides being easier to cast and adding experience counters? Xantid can stay around without Meren. I'm just curious!
I think it's because Xantid Swarm just prevents players not casting any spells "this turn"(your turn) while Hope of Ghirapur prevents them from casting non creatures spells on their turn. So I think it's a bit better. It can soft lock an opponent.
I think it's because Xantid Swarm just prevents players not casting any spells "this turn"(your turn) while Hope of Ghirapur prevents them from casting non creatures spells on their turn. So I think it's a bit better. It can soft lock an opponent.
I believe both have the same wording on "this turn", but Xantid is any spells from that player. So.
Xantid
Pros:
Stays around longer; doesnt rely upon Meren to stay around.
doesnt need to deal combat damage. Good when they have a flying or reach blocker
Cons:
0 power
Needs green, which isn't terrible. Gets hit by things like all is dust
Cant generate Exp counters or other LTB triggers for you, if that's your thing
Hope
Pros:
Colorless, easier to cast and avoids some removal
1 power
Triggers LTB effects if that's your thing
Cons:
Relies upon Meren to be returned to play if needed
Relies upon being able to deal combat damage
Thoughts on Life from the Loam? How heavy is land destruction in your meta? You could recover Gaea's Cradle and fetches, along with Strip Mine (Wasteland?) etc.
I think Loam is a good idea specially if your meta has lots of ld and can recycle utility lands. But it prolly depends on the meta and play style. Imo, I don't like it that much. Although I was thinking of putting in Crucible of Worlds and running Strip mine and Wasteland but rn, I'm concentrating more on additional stax like Sphere of Resistance and some of the other orbs.
I'm looking at Orb of Dreams. What do you think? It seems really good. 3 mana is kinda tough though but we have dorks.
I'm replacing Leap and Attrition for similar reasons. This decklist isn't a midrange deck, so playing the grindy sacrifice game isn't advancing our gameplan. To stall better, Root Maze. Missing Attrition's ability to remove threats is solid, but if Shriekmaw cant cut it, neither can this imo. Evoltionary Leap was one that hurt to admit that it needed cut since it's so thematic and powerful. However with no control over the creature we get, Confidant will give us those same cards with life instead.
I see you're running the midrange version. I didn't know that's why I was able to say that the Marvel was slow. I think it's fine in your deck but not on mine. I'm running the stax version close to Gromgrom's list. I have an average of 2.57. Although I want to run Grave Pact on mine coz of my meta is mostly creature based but I'll see.
I get it but I thought that the amount of sac could justify it but I see the curve is super low. I'll keep an eye on this thread but look for midrange lists on MTG, thanks.
Hi. I have a question about this thread.
Why is this decklist called stax combo?
Stax is defined as disintegrating the board, taking away all opponents' resources and play options.
For example, Hokori, Dust Drinker is stax because he freezes mana generation from lands. Nath of the Gilt-Leaf is stax because he strips opponents' hands away and leaves them in topdeck mode.
So far as I've looked in this list, the only cards that pass as stax are Thorn of Amethyst, Contamination, Null Rod, Magus of the Abyss, and maaaaaaybe Bane of Progress (though not really because it's so mana expensive). Five cards in a 99 card deck, and only two of them are recurrable with your commander.
No Winter Orb, Hall of Gemstone, Oppression-like cards, Tainted ÆtherSmokestack, Nether Void... Nothing is really preventing your opponents from playing threats and gaining board state.
Hi. I have a question about this thread.
Why is this decklist called stax combo?
Stax is defined as disintegrating the board, taking away all opponents' resources and play options.
For example, Hokori, Dust Drinker is stax because he freezes mana generation from lands. Nath of the Gilt-Leaf is stax because he strips opponents' hands away and leaves them in topdeck mode.
So far as I've looked in this list, the only cards that pass as stax are Thorn of Amethyst, Contamination, Null Rod, Magus of the Abyss, and maaaaaaybe Bane of Progress (though not really because it's so mana expensive). Five cards in a 99 card deck, and only two of them are recurrable with your commander.
No Winter Orb, Hall of Gemstone, Oppression-like cards, Tainted ÆtherSmokestack, Nether Void..Nothing is really preventing your opponents from playing threats and gaining board state.
Hi. I have a question about this thread.
Why is this decklist called stax combo?
Stax is defined as disintegrating the board, taking away all opponents' resources and play options.
For example, Hokori, Dust Drinker is stax because he freezes mana generation from lands. Nath of the Gilt-Leaf is stax because he strips opponents' hands away and leaves them in topdeck mode.
So far as I've looked in this list, the only cards that pass as stax are Thorn of Amethyst, Contamination, Null Rod, Magus of the Abyss, and maaaaaaybe Bane of Progress (though not really because it's so mana expensive). Five cards in a 99 card deck, and only two of them are recurrable with your commander.
No Winter Orb, Hall of Gemstone, Oppression-like cards, Tainted ÆtherSmokestack, Nether Void... Nothing is really preventing your opponents from playing threats and gaining board state.
It used to have more of a stax focus and I'm still adding more in as time goes. Is there a certain number of pieces or quality that defines a stax deck? Because if so I'd like for you to link us that particular source.
I cut Oppression, Smokestacks, and was considering Tainted Aether but since the other two were cut, I didn't see a point in adding those. I tune my list to my meta, as anyone should, and if those cards were not making the cut, they get cut. Winter Orb has always been a card I've had an eye on for this deck but I've not needed it yet. Once my meta becomes too hostile, it will be added in, probably in Bane's place. Right now Bane has done a better job keeping down other stax decks than winter orb could due to how many mana rocks they run.
Hi. I have a question about this thread.
Why is this decklist called stax combo?
Stax is defined as disintegrating the board, taking away all opponents' resources and play options.
For example, Hokori, Dust Drinker is stax because he freezes mana generation from lands. Nath of the Gilt-Leaf is stax because he strips opponents' hands away and leaves them in topdeck mode.
So far as I've looked in this list, the only cards that pass as stax are Thorn of Amethyst, Contamination, Null Rod, Magus of the Abyss, and maaaaaaybe Bane of Progress (though not really because it's so mana expensive). Five cards in a 99 card deck, and only two of them are recurrable with your commander.
No Winter Orb, Hall of Gemstone, Oppression-like cards, Tainted ÆtherSmokestack, Nether Void..Nothing is really preventing your opponents from playing threats and gaining board state.
I dont know how many fans I'll win over with this one... but Stronghold hasnt done anything for me since the days I ran this as a midrangey build with Gary and Kokopuffs. It's so slow and a tempo loss since we miss our draw. Biggest thing it can do now is function as a slow Meren replacement in a pinch or abuse Mindslicer. Meh. It's replaced by a Forest. But at least it's foil!
Alrighty guys, I finally got some more pretty foils in lately, thought I'd show off the pimping progress
Meren and some creatures. I went with an Italian Devourer due to the fact English are too easy to come by. Therefore, pimp due to scarcity.
Creatures part 1
Mindslicer is hard to see. I havent foiled Woodfall Primus yet due to not being sure if he's worth keeping in the deck. We shall see! Farmhand probably needs to be an Arbor Elf honestly. And yes that's a japanese Bane of Progress. haha
Creatures part 2. I love that BoP art. Spore frog I havent nabbed a foil yet due to not being sure about keeping him around. Yep that Fauna Shaman is signed
Enchantments. Japanese carpet of flowers since it was 9$ and korean was $90. While that would be more pimp... just not worth it lol. I'll cut it off there. I want an Apocalypse Arena. That's a korean Contamination (nabbed it for $10!) And I've got a signed foil Reclamation to replace the regular foil. I'm so proud of the signed Deed.
Instants and sorceries. Crop Rotation. sigh. Also thats a japanese Worldly Tutor.
The lands. What needs the most work. Looking for those juicy expeditions! Just got the JSS city of brass. It's so friggin good looking,
I dont know how many fans I'll win over with this one... but Stronghold hasnt done anything for me since the days I ran this as a midrangey build with Gary and Kokopuffs. It's so slow and a tempo loss since we miss our draw. Biggest thing it can do now is function as a slow Meren replacement in a pinch or abuse Mindslicer. Meh. It's replaced by a Forest. But at least it's foil!
I think it's a fine cut. You are running Phyrexian Reclamation anways which almost do the same thing.
I dont know how many fans I'll win over with this one... but Stronghold hasnt done anything for me since the days I ran this as a midrangey build with Gary and Kokopuffs. It's so slow and a tempo loss since we miss our draw. Biggest thing it can do now is function as a slow Meren replacement in a pinch or abuse Mindslicer. Meh. It's replaced by a Forest. But at least it's foil!
I think it's a fine cut. You are running Phyrexian Reclamation anways which almost do the same thing.
Oh good, haha. Figure some people would object to such a horrendous cut! But yeah. It's kinda not good here.
I picked up a Hope of Ghirapur tonight, not a foil sadly, but I have one now! Hoping to test it out soon.
How often do you find you can activate Traverse the Ulvenwald's Delerium ability? Or how do you tend to use it? I've been curious about it since it was spoiled.
City of Solitude, forgot about that card! Might need to add it to the maybe list.
@Gromgrom. Gz on the Hope, just bear in mind that it's a nonbo when you have Null Rod out. I just added Traverse the Ulvenwald a couple of days ago and it's in for testing so I don't know yet. It replaced Sylvan Ranger and it might be a decent tutor when you have delirium. I really want an Imperial Seal but I can't afford it rn and I think Traverse is the closest to it, lol, or maybe Sylvan Tutor. Btw, what do you think of Sylvan Tutor? I want to try Smokestack in the deck but I can't find the old art one. How do you approach a superfriends deck? It's kind of a pain to go up against and there's no colorless Suppression Field to hose them.
@Gromgrom. Gz on the Hope, just bear in mind that it's a nonbo when you have Null Rod out. I just added Traverse the Ulvenwald a couple of days ago and it's in for testing so I don't know yet. It replaced Sylvan Ranger and it might be a decent tutor when you have delirium. I really want an Imperial Seal but I can't afford it rn and I think Traverse is the closest to it, lol, or maybe Sylvan Tutor. Btw, what do you think of Sylvan Tutor? I want to try Smokestack in the deck but I can't find the old art one. How do you approach a superfriends deck? It's kind of a pain to go up against and there's no colorless Suppression Field to hose them.
Ahh I didnt realize that in the earlier discussion of Hope vs Xantid Swarm. Well, I hope to nab a Xantid then in that case. Hope could easily work, but I definitely wanna minimize the amount of nobos I have with Null Rod.
Why Desolation over something like Winter Orb? (Or hey, maybe both! ) I do wanna fit in a Sphere of Resistance like you have too. I probably run too many cute cards still haha.
I'd rather try to afford the judge promo Imperial Seal. Grabbing anything is huge, as we can grab T&N or Buried Alive to win quickly. But it could definitely see a spot in the deck!
I've not faced many superfriends decks in my meta. You could run Vampire Hexmage and Thief of Blood as tech choices!
I removed Smokestacks a while ago simply because it's so slow to get going. It's great when you can maintain a board with Meren, dorks, and maybe another piece like Null Rod or Winter Orb. I'd rather run Desolation i think!
@Gromgrom. Gz on the Hope, just bear in mind that it's a nonbo when you have Null Rod out. I just added Traverse the Ulvenwald a couple of days ago and it's in for testing so I don't know yet. It replaced Sylvan Ranger and it might be a decent tutor when you have delirium. I really want an Imperial Seal but I can't afford it rn and I think Traverse is the closest to it, lol, or maybe Sylvan Tutor. Btw, what do you think of Sylvan Tutor? I want to try Smokestack in the deck but I can't find the old art one. How do you approach a superfriends deck? It's kind of a pain to go up against and there's no colorless Suppression Field to hose them.
Ahh I didnt realize that in the earlier discussion of Hope vs Xantid Swarm. Well, I hope to nab a Xantid then in that case. Hope could easily work, but I definitely wanna minimize the amount of nobos I have with Null Rod.
Why Desolation over something like Winter Orb? (Or hey, maybe both! ) I do wanna fit in a Sphere of Resistance like you have too. I probably run too many cute cards still haha.
I'd rather try to afford the judge promo Imperial Seal. Grabbing anything is huge, as we can grab T&N or Buried Alive to win quickly. But it could definitely see a spot in the deck!
I've not faced many superfriends decks in my meta. You could run Vampire Hexmage and Thief of Blood as tech choices!
I removed Smokestacks a while ago simply because it's so slow to get going. It's great when you can maintain a board with Meren, dorks, and maybe another piece like Null Rod or Winter Orb. I'd rather run Desolation i think!
I wanted to add Desolation just for additional stax but it's really hard to fit it in coz I don't have any land recursion and addition to that, we are running a low land count. I already have Winter Orb in and with Root Maze, it's really nasty.
I'll try to fit in Vampire Hexmage in. With her and Phyrexian Revoker and some stax cards, I think it'll be managable. I have other ways to slow them down anyways. Thief of Blood is really devastating against Superfriends but I'm trying to go as low as possible on cmc and she's kind of too much.
As for Hope of Ghirapur and Null Rod, I wouldn't worry too much. If you happen to drop a Null Rod against your opponent/s, it's usually a one sided effect or they suffer more that you specially against Breya or Ulamog. Unless you have your mana rocks out aswell and you're being choked on mana.
I agree with Imperial Seal but they're so freakin expensive. I really want the seal and Nether Void.
How's Dark Confidant doing to you? I'm really interested in running him but I don't have any extra copy rn, it's all in my Jund Deck for Modern.
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1 Birthing Pod
1 Mana Crypt
1 Null Rod
1 Skullclamp
1 Sol Ring
1 Thorn of Amethyst
Creature
1 Bane of Progress
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Caustic Caterpillar
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Devoted Druid
1 Elves of Deep Shadow
1 Elvish Mystic
1 Eternal Witness
1 Fauna Shaman
1 Fleshbag Marauder
1 Fyndhorn Elves
1 Grim Haruspex
1 Hermit Druid
1 Joraga Treespeaker
1 Llanowar Elves
1 Magus of the Abyss
1 Merciless Executioner
1 Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1 Mindslicer
1 Necrotic Ooze
1 Phyrexian Devourer
1 Priest of Titania
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Riftsweeper
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Shaman of Forgotten Ways
1 Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1 Spore Frog
1 Sylvan Ranger
1 Sylvok Replica
1 Triskelion
1 Woodfall Primus
1 Yisan, the Wanderer Bard
1 Hope of Ghirapur
1 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
1 Carpet of Flowers
1 Contamination
1 Defense of the Heart
1 Evolutionary Leap
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Phyrexian Reclamation
1 Survival of the Fittest
1 Sylvan Library
1 Root Maze
Instant
1 Beast Within
1 Chord of Calling
1 Crop Rotation
1 Krosan Grip
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Worldly Tutor
Land
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Ancient Tomb
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Bojuka Bog
1 City of Brass
1 Command Beacon
1 Command Tower
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Forest
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 High Market
1 Mana Confluence
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Phyrexian Tower
4 Swamp
1 Temple of Malady
1 Twilight Mire
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Woodland Cemetery
1 Blooming Marsh
1 Strip Mine
1 Marsh Flats
1 Buried Alive
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Eldritch Evolution
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Jarad's Orders
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Reanimate
1 Tooth and Nail
1 Victimize
Here is my current list rigt now. As you can see it is based on your list and I'm still tweaking it out to my liking. I wanted another wincon so I'm playing Jarad and I want to fit in Sadistic Hypnotist in there but I think Oppression is better since it comes down earlier. The problem is, the list is already so tight and I want all of the cards right now. Root Maze is amazing along with Carpet of Flowers and Contamination specially against U decks. Well, Thorn of Amethyst taxes them so hard.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
Oooh yeah definitely. I had a thought though. Why are people playing Hope over Xantid Swarm? Besides being easier to cast and adding experience counters? Xantid can stay around without Meren. I'm just curious!
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
I believe both have the same wording on "this turn", but Xantid is any spells from that player. So.
Xantid
Pros:
Stays around longer; doesnt rely upon Meren to stay around.
doesnt need to deal combat damage. Good when they have a flying or reach blocker
Cons:
0 power
Needs green, which isn't terrible. Gets hit by things like all is dust
Cant generate Exp counters or other LTB triggers for you, if that's your thing
Hope
Pros:
Colorless, easier to cast and avoids some removal
1 power
Triggers LTB effects if that's your thing
Cons:
Relies upon Meren to be returned to play if needed
Relies upon being able to deal combat damage
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
oh gosh. I was reading the second part of the text looking for what you were looking for. Definitely better in that case!
In other news I'm thinking of subbing out Volrath's Stronghold for another basic land. I've not had it be useful for some time now.
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
Dredging feeds the yard which this deck likes.
G Azusa, Wherever I May Roam
UG Rashmi Simic Power
WB Kambal Life Gain Kills
URG Maelstrom Wanderer Howdy
I'm looking at Orb of Dreams. What do you think? It seems really good. 3 mana is kinda tough though but we have dorks.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
I haven't tried that card butnI think it's too slow for me. I think Grave Pact is a bit better than that. Can you share your list.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
Added:
I'm replacing Leap and Attrition for similar reasons. This decklist isn't a midrange deck, so playing the grindy sacrifice game isn't advancing our gameplan. To stall better, Root Maze. Missing Attrition's ability to remove threats is solid, but if Shriekmaw cant cut it, neither can this imo. Evoltionary Leap was one that hurt to admit that it needed cut since it's so thematic and powerful. However with no control over the creature we get, Confidant will give us those same cards with life instead.
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
G Azusa, Wherever I May Roam
UG Rashmi Simic Power
WB Kambal Life Gain Kills
URG Maelstrom Wanderer Howdy
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
Creatures 42
1 Acidic Slime
1 Avenger of Zendikar
1 Blood Artist
1 Butcher of Malakir
1 Caustic Caterpillar
1 Demon of Dark Schemes
1 Disciple of Bolas
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Duplicant
1 Eternal Witness
1 Fleshbag Marauder
1 Genesis
1 Gonti, Lord of Luxury
1 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
1 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
1 Kokusho, the Evening Star
1 Massacre Wurm
1 Merciless Executioner
1 Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1 Ophiomancer
1 Pelakka Wurm
1 Phyrexian Delver
1 Phyrexian Plaguelord
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Rune-Scarred Demon
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Savra, Queen of the Golgari
1 Seedguide Ash
1 Sepulchral Primordial
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
1 Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Spore Frog
1 Treasure Keeper
1 Viridian Emissary
1 Viscera Seer
1 Winding Constrictor
1 Wood Elves
1 Woodfall Primus
1 Woodland Bellower
1 Yavimaya Granger
1 Zulaport Cutthroat
1 Aetherworks Marvel
1 Aid from the Cowl
1 Ashnod's Altar
1 Awakening Zone
1 Birthing Pod
1 Cauldron of Souls
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Dictate of Erebos
1 Dread Return
1 Eldritch Evolution
1 From Beyond
1 Grave Pact
1 Living Death
1 Momentous Fall
1 Panharmonicon
1 Phyrexian Altar
1 Primal Growth
1 Rishkar's Expertise
1 Skullclamp
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Victimize
Lands 34
1 Blighted Woodland
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Command Beacon
1 Command Tower
9 Forest
1 Geier Reach Sanitarium
1 Golgari Rot Farm
1 High Market
1 Jund Panorama
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Mirrorpool
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Reliquary Tower
7 Swamp
1 Tainted Wood
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Woodland Cemetery
1 Yavimaya Hollow
1 Agent of Erebos
1 Attrition
1 Curtains' Call
1 Deadbridge Chant
1 Eldrazi Monument
1 Farhaven Elf
1 Fertile Thicket
1 Fierce Empath
1 Filigree Familiar
1 Grave Titan
1 Grisly Salvage
1 Harvest Mage
1 Jarad's Orders
1 Life's Legacy
1 Living Death
1 Maulfist Revolutionary
1 Mimic Vat
1 Mindless Automaton
1 Mycoloth
1 Nantuko Cultivator
1 Offalsnout
1 Ophiomancer
1 Pathbreaker Ibex
1 Pawn of Ulamog
1 Pine Barrens
1 Primal Druid
1 Puppeteer Clique
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Regal Force
1 Rescue from the Underworld
1 Riftsweeper
1 Shriekmaw
1 Skullmulcher
1 Smothering Abomination
1 Soul of the Harvest
1 Sylvok Replica
1 Thelonite Monk
1 Treasured Find
1 Yahenni's Expertise
1 Yahenni, Undying Partisan
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
I see you're running the midrange version. I didn't know that's why I was able to say that the Marvel was slow. I think it's fine in your deck but not on mine. I'm running the stax version close to Gromgrom's list. I have an average of 2.57. Although I want to run Grave Pact on mine coz of my meta is mostly creature based but I'll see.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
Why is this decklist called stax combo?
Stax is defined as disintegrating the board, taking away all opponents' resources and play options.
For example, Hokori, Dust Drinker is stax because he freezes mana generation from lands. Nath of the Gilt-Leaf is stax because he strips opponents' hands away and leaves them in topdeck mode.
So far as I've looked in this list, the only cards that pass as stax are Thorn of Amethyst, Contamination, Null Rod, Magus of the Abyss, and maaaaaaybe Bane of Progress (though not really because it's so mana expensive). Five cards in a 99 card deck, and only two of them are recurrable with your commander.
No Winter Orb, Hall of Gemstone, Oppression-like cards, Tainted Æther Smokestack, Nether Void... Nothing is really preventing your opponents from playing threats and gaining board state.
I'm new to commander but maybe because it has it's stax element and a combo win con. It prolly depends on the list aswell. My list is close to the OPs list but I'm running Winter Orb, Sphere of Resistance, Thorn of Amethyst, Null Rod, Root Maze and Contamination. Creatures such as Hope of Ghirapur, Merciless Executioner, Fleshbag Marauder, Magus of the Abyss and Mindslicer. Compared to the other 2 commanders that you mentioned, Meren is weaker yes. That's why in this deck, we rely on Meren's ability to recur as a form of stax aswell. Recurring Fleshbag or Hope every turn can soft lock an opponent.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
I do. I tend to follow other cEDH lists such as
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/21-08-16-Gip-meren/
and
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lemon-meren-pie/
for inspiration. They've run confidant for ages and my lack of Confidant has mostly been due to laziness. I hope it wont hurt too bad, only 5 or so cards will particularly hurt!
It used to have more of a stax focus and I'm still adding more in as time goes. Is there a certain number of pieces or quality that defines a stax deck? Because if so I'd like for you to link us that particular source.
I cut Oppression, Smokestacks, and was considering Tainted Aether but since the other two were cut, I didn't see a point in adding those. I tune my list to my meta, as anyone should, and if those cards were not making the cut, they get cut. Winter Orb has always been a card I've had an eye on for this deck but I've not needed it yet. Once my meta becomes too hostile, it will be added in, probably in Bane's place. Right now Bane has done a better job keeping down other stax decks than winter orb could due to how many mana rocks they run.
This. Please refer to this post.
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
Volrath's Stronghold
Added:
Forest
I dont know how many fans I'll win over with this one... but Stronghold hasnt done anything for me since the days I ran this as a midrangey build with Gary and Kokopuffs. It's so slow and a tempo loss since we miss our draw. Biggest thing it can do now is function as a slow Meren replacement in a pinch or abuse Mindslicer. Meh. It's replaced by a Forest. But at least it's foil!
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
Meren and some creatures. I went with an Italian Devourer due to the fact English are too easy to come by. Therefore, pimp due to scarcity.
Creatures part 1
Mindslicer is hard to see. I havent foiled Woodfall Primus yet due to not being sure if he's worth keeping in the deck. We shall see! Farmhand probably needs to be an Arbor Elf honestly. And yes that's a japanese Bane of Progress. haha
Creatures part 2. I love that BoP art. Spore frog I havent nabbed a foil yet due to not being sure about keeping him around. Yep that Fauna Shaman is signed
Enchantments. Japanese carpet of flowers since it was 9$ and korean was $90. While that would be more pimp... just not worth it lol. I'll cut it off there. I want an Apocalypse Arena. That's a korean Contamination (nabbed it for $10!) And I've got a signed foil Reclamation to replace the regular foil. I'm so proud of the signed Deed.
Instants and sorceries. Crop Rotation. sigh. Also thats a japanese Worldly Tutor.
The lands. What needs the most work. Looking for those juicy expeditions! Just got the JSS city of brass. It's so friggin good looking,
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
I think it's a fine cut. You are running Phyrexian Reclamation anways which almost do the same thing.
This is my current list right now...
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/meren-of-clan-nel-toth-stax-4/
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
Oh good, haha. Figure some people would object to such a horrendous cut! But yeah. It's kinda not good here.
I picked up a Hope of Ghirapur tonight, not a foil sadly, but I have one now! Hoping to test it out soon.
How often do you find you can activate Traverse the Ulvenwald's Delerium ability? Or how do you tend to use it? I've been curious about it since it was spoiled.
City of Solitude, forgot about that card! Might need to add it to the maybe list.
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
You might be interested on:
City of Solitude
Dosan the Falling Leaf
Desolation(I'm trying to find a way to fit this one in the deck.)
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
Ahh I didnt realize that in the earlier discussion of Hope vs Xantid Swarm. Well, I hope to nab a Xantid then in that case. Hope could easily work, but I definitely wanna minimize the amount of nobos I have with Null Rod.
Why Desolation over something like Winter Orb? (Or hey, maybe both!
I'd rather try to afford the judge promo Imperial Seal. Grabbing anything is huge, as we can grab T&N or Buried Alive to win quickly. But it could definitely see a spot in the deck!
I've not faced many superfriends decks in my meta. You could run Vampire Hexmage and Thief of Blood as tech choices!
I removed Smokestacks a while ago simply because it's so slow to get going. It's great when you can maintain a board with Meren, dorks, and maybe another piece like Null Rod or Winter Orb. I'd rather run Desolation i think!
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
I wanted to add Desolation just for additional stax but it's really hard to fit it in coz I don't have any land recursion and addition to that, we are running a low land count. I already have Winter Orb in and with Root Maze, it's really nasty.
I'll try to fit in Vampire Hexmage in. With her and Phyrexian Revoker and some stax cards, I think it'll be managable. I have other ways to slow them down anyways. Thief of Blood is really devastating against Superfriends but I'm trying to go as low as possible on cmc and she's kind of too much.
As for Hope of Ghirapur and Null Rod, I wouldn't worry too much. If you happen to drop a Null Rod against your opponent/s, it's usually a one sided effect or they suffer more that you specially against Breya or Ulamog. Unless you have your mana rocks out aswell and you're being choked on mana.
I agree with Imperial Seal but they're so freakin expensive. I really want the seal and Nether Void.
How's Dark Confidant doing to you? I'm really interested in running him but I don't have any extra copy rn, it's all in my Jund Deck for Modern.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect