@Gromgrom. Gz on the Hope, just bear in mind that it's a nonbo when you have Null Rod out. I just added Traverse the Ulvenwald a couple of days ago and it's in for testing so I don't know yet. It replaced Sylvan Ranger and it might be a decent tutor when you have delirium. I really want an Imperial Seal but I can't afford it rn and I think Traverse is the closest to it, lol, or maybe Sylvan Tutor. Btw, what do you think of Sylvan Tutor? I want to try Smokestack in the deck but I can't find the old art one. How do you approach a superfriends deck? It's kind of a pain to go up against and there's no colorless Suppression Field to hose them.
Ahh I didnt realize that in the earlier discussion of Hope vs Xantid Swarm. Well, I hope to nab a Xantid then in that case. Hope could easily work, but I definitely wanna minimize the amount of nobos I have with Null Rod.
Why Desolation over something like Winter Orb? (Or hey, maybe both! ) I do wanna fit in a Sphere of Resistance like you have too. I probably run too many cute cards still haha.
I'd rather try to afford the judge promo Imperial Seal. Grabbing anything is huge, as we can grab T&N or Buried Alive to win quickly. But it could definitely see a spot in the deck!
I've not faced many superfriends decks in my meta. You could run Vampire Hexmage and Thief of Blood as tech choices!
I removed Smokestacks a while ago simply because it's so slow to get going. It's great when you can maintain a board with Meren, dorks, and maybe another piece like Null Rod or Winter Orb. I'd rather run Desolation i think!
I wanted to add Desolation just for additional stax but it's really hard to fit it in coz I don't have any land recursion and addition to that, we are running a low land count. I already have Winter Orb in and with Root Maze, it's really nasty.
I'll try to fit in Vampire Hexmage in. With her and Phyrexian Revoker and some stax cards, I think it'll be managable. I have other ways to slow them down anyways. Thief of Blood is really devastating against Superfriends but I'm trying to go as low as possible on cmc and she's kind of too much.
As for Hope of Ghirapur and Null Rod, I wouldn't worry too much. If you happen to drop a Null Rod against your opponent/s, it's usually a one sided effect or they suffer more that you specially against Breya or Ulamog. Unless you have your mana rocks out aswell and you're being choked on mana.
I agree with Imperial Seal but they're so freakin expensive. I really want the seal and Nether Void.
How's Dark Confidant doing to you? I'm really interested in running him but I don't have any extra copy rn, it's all in my Jund Deck for Modern.
I've not yet had time to test the deck I hope he ends up working out!
@Gromgrom. I am hoping to hear from you about Dark Confidant. My average cmc is around 2.50 so he's fine in my deck although as a stax player, you're usually a magnet to them.
I don't know what more to add ,aside from those expensive cards we mentioned, as stax. I've been researching in the past few days. Maybe more utility cards I guess such as tutors.
Edit.
Btw. I stumbled upon this card called Aether Snap. I think it's a decent maybeboard card against superfriends decks.
I wonder if Earthcraft is viable in this strategy. I think it's a very good card specially under Static Orb or Winter Orb. What do you think?
This is my current list and I am glad to say I'm liking it though I need more practice. I changed some cards to lower the curve. I removed City of Solitude since it affects some of the important cards such as Spore Frog, Sakura Tribe Elder, etc. when I want to use them outside my turn. Right now, I really want to fit Toxic Deluge but I don't have any flex spot/s. The best bet would be Riftsweeper and Spore Frog but they're pretty good in my meta.
I'm definitely going to test it after the folks at /r/cedh convinced me. It's another wincon. We just need to make room for Delver, Seer, and possibly walking ballista. I'm waiting for prices to settle first
I'm definitely going to test it after the folks at /r/cedh convinced me. It's another wincon. We just need to make room for Delver, Seer, and possibly walking ballista. I'm waiting for prices to settle first
I'm definitely going to test it after the folks at /r/cedh convinced me. It's another wincon. We just need to make room for Delver, Seer, and possibly walking ballista. I'm waiting for prices to settle first
I'm definitely going to test it after the folks at /r/cedh convinced me. It's another wincon. We just need to make room for Delver, Seer, and possibly walking ballista. I'm waiting for prices to settle first
I do mean delver yep! And Yeah, I dont see a point in infinite mana unless you can pump it into Basilica
I'm not quite sold with Protean Hulk in our list. He's at 7cmc whiich is steep to cast or recur with Meren. Maybe with Entomb/Reanimate combo and go off from there. I'll test him out at cockatrice. It might occupy my Void Winnower. We'll see.
I'm definitely going to test it after the folks at /r/cedh convinced me. It's another wincon. We just need to make room for Delver, Seer, and possibly walking ballista. I'm waiting for prices to settle first
I do mean delver yep! And Yeah, I dont see a point in infinite mana unless you can pump it into Basilica
I'm not quite sold with Protean Hulk in our list. He's at 7cmc whiich is steep to cast or recur with Meren. Maybe with Entomb/Reanimate combo and go off from there. I'll test him out at cockatrice. It might occupy my Void Winnower. We'll see.
I've found with mana dorks, Priest of Titania, Cradle, etc, that 7 mana even on turns 3-5 isn't impossible. The issue becomes finding a sac outlet!
Spore Frog is a relic from the midrange age, and while she still comes in handy, she's just not useful to our gameplan at all. She is replaced by Winter Orb, which does help our gameplan out! Primus is removed due to being generally, an overcosted Rec Sage that can infinite with Mike in the right situation, but that situation is better suited to a midrange build. Manglehorn comes in as a testing piece to further stax mana rocks and other artifacts our opponents play.
@Gromgrom: I see you are running Winter Orb now. I suggest running Arbor Elf as well because he's good with Overgrown Tomb and Bayou(Unfortunately, don't have one yet. :() under Winter Orb. I was thinking about Manglehorn too but I think he's pretty slow and Reclamation Sage can hit enchantments as well. Let me know how will it perform to you.
@Gromgrom: I see you are running Winter Orb now. I suggest running Arbor Elf as well because he's good with Overgrown Tomb and Bayou(Unfortunately, don't have one yet. :() under Winter Orb. I was thinking about Manglehorn too but I think he's pretty slow and Reclamation Sage can hit enchantments as well. Let me know how will it perform to you.
I think I can play Desolation now coz of the new card and more LD. I just couldn't find any Dust Bowl right now. As for the demon, I think he's a really good toolbox creature paired with Life // Death and Gaea's Cradle. Sadly, we don't have access to U which is pretty good with the demon. I haven't updated my list on Tappedout though. Will update the list when I get home after summer holidays.
I think I can play Desolation now coz of the new card and more LD. I just couldn't find any Dust Bowl right now. As for the demon, I think he's a really good toolbox creature paired with Life // Death and Gaea's Cradle. Sadly, we don't have access to U which is pretty good with the demon. I haven't updated my list on Tappedout though. Will update the list when I get home after summer holidays.
Razzy is a definite possibility. From what I've heard from other people testing it, it's a crazy good card.
I've personally had this deck shelved for a few months due to Protean Hulk. not sure if i wanna go that route or nah, and if so, Varloz is a more tight commander for GB combo with Hulk, just minus the stax.
I think I can play Desolation now coz of the new card and more LD. I just couldn't find any Dust Bowl right now. As for the demon, I think he's a really good toolbox creature paired with Life // Death and Gaea's Cradle. Sadly, we don't have access to U which is pretty good with the demon. I haven't updated my list on Tappedout though. Will update the list when I get home after summer holidays.
Razzy is a definite possibility. From what I've heard from other people testing it, it's a crazy good card.
I've personally had this deck shelved for a few months due to Protean Hulk. not sure if i wanna go that route or nah, and if so, Varloz is a more tight commander for GB combo with Hulk, just minus the stax.
I see.
I agree. Varolz would be better and faster outside stax.
I'm still playing Meren while building up a Zur Stax. I'm trying out the 2 cards I mentioned above.
I'll update my current list and post it up later this week.
thanks for posting it! You know, I dunno why I kept command beacon in the deck so long. I definitely need to remove that
Why Tangle Wire? I like it in brago for all the ways i can fetch it, reset the counters, etc.
Liliana, Heretical Healer ? I took her out ages ago. How has she been performing for you? Is she a part of your discard suite?
I personally like the idea of Body Snatcher over Phyrexian Delver as Snatcher allows you to grab Slyvan Safekeeper for added protection to your combo. Found that idea out over on /r/competitiveedh
Finally, Creakwood Liege? Another one I cut back when the deck was more midrangey. Does this feed something in particular?
I'm finally getting around to working on my Meren list. Summers are always bad for me lol. Im adding in the protean hulk combo, just need to find cuts. In the mean time
Tangle wire is just an additional stax. It's good early specially with Root Maze and all the ramps that we have, but it really sucks late game.
Yes, Liliana, Heretical Healer is mostly there for the discard. The reanimation is bonus utility as well from time to time. Overall, she performs fine in the deck, lifelink helps a bit when she's a creature. The bad side of her is that she needs a sac outlet for her to flip and she doesn't help that much when you are behind or when there's no card to support her.
As for Creakwood Liege, it's my go to card when I have a lock on the board but I'm really low on resources to win. He can win the game by himself, assuming the opponents can't do anything, when you can't combo off. It's more of a 3rd wincon and helps Meren to grow bigger. It helps with Contamination, Magus of the Abyss, and Razaketh, the Foulblooded too. If I can get a hold of the good stax card/s, he's prolly the one to go or Liliana, Heretical Healer.
I thought about the Body Snatcher line as well but with my current list, it's heavy on discard(more stax pieces). Most of the time, my hand is already empty by t4 or t5. I won't be able to discard a creature card to combo off, though, I like the baked-in protection in that line. The line I usually do now is to put Contamination or Mindslicer online then go off. Thanks to Razaketh, he makes it easier.
I really like your build, but in my meta stax and land destruction usually gets hated out the fastest at a table. So I went a more midrange aggro approach with some combos thrown in. I did take some card choices from your deck. I really want to fit in Eldritch Evolution, Defense of the Heart, Pattern of Rebirth, Grim Haruspex. Any other suggestions from a fellow Meren player would be greatly appreciated.
I really like your build, but in my meta stax and land destruction usually gets hated out the fastest at a table. So I went a more midrange aggro approach with some combos thrown in. I did take some card choices from your deck. I really want to fit in Eldritch Evolution, Defense of the Heart, Pattern of Rebirth, Grim Haruspex. Any other suggestions from a fellow Meren player would be greatly appreciated.
Btw. I was able to order online an MP Chains of Mephistopheles and I'm so excited about the card. Will update my list as soon as the card arrives next week. Might trade some of my Modern staples for a Nether Void but I don't know yet.
How crucial is Chains of Mephistopheles? Is it mainly there to fill up your graveyard so that you have more options to "reanimate" with Meren?
It's really good agianst decks that really wants to draw, U decks in particular. You pair it with Mindslicer so you'll slow them down significantly. It affects all extra draws.
How crucial is Chains of Mephistopheles? Is it mainly there to fill up your graveyard so that you have more options to "reanimate" with Meren?
It's really good agianst decks that really wants to draw, U decks in particular. You pair it with Mindslicer so you'll slow them down significantly. It affects all extra draws.
This. I've neglected to grab one for months, because I'm a scrub who prefers to foil his deck out haha. No seriously, I have terrible priorities, but at least the deck is pretty! Id love to have a Chains and Nether Void for the deck (and a real Cradle, I'm proxying, but I should proxy those too)
I've not yet had time to test the deck I hope he ends up working out!
I'd also love a Nether Void. Drool. haha
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
I don't know what more to add ,aside from those expensive cards we mentioned, as stax. I've been researching in the past few days. Maybe more utility cards I guess such as tutors.
Edit.
Btw. I stumbled upon this card called Aether Snap. I think it's a decent maybeboard card against superfriends decks.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
This is my current list and I am glad to say I'm liking it though I need more practice. I changed some cards to lower the curve. I removed City of Solitude since it affects some of the important cards such as Spore Frog, Sakura Tribe Elder, etc. when I want to use them outside my turn. Right now, I really want to fit Toxic Deluge but I don't have any flex spot/s. The best bet would be Riftsweeper and Spore Frog but they're pretty good in my meta.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/competitivemeren-of-clan-nel-toth-stax/
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
I'm definitely going to test it after the folks at /r/cedh convinced me. It's another wincon. We just need to make room for Delver, Seer, and possibly walking ballista. I'm waiting for prices to settle first
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
Did you mean Phyrexian Delver? I'm also looking at infinite G with Channeler Initiate but I'm not sure if we need infinite mana.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
I do mean delver yep! And Yeah, I dont see a point in infinite mana unless you can pump it into Basilica
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
I'm not quite sold with Protean Hulk in our list. He's at 7cmc whiich is steep to cast or recur with Meren. Maybe with Entomb/Reanimate combo and go off from there. I'll test him out at cockatrice. It might occupy my Void Winnower. We'll see.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
I've found with mana dorks, Priest of Titania, Cradle, etc, that 7 mana even on turns 3-5 isn't impossible. The issue becomes finding a sac outlet!
Removed:
Added:
Spore Frog is a relic from the midrange age, and while she still comes in handy, she's just not useful to our gameplan at all. She is replaced by Winter Orb, which does help our gameplan out! Primus is removed due to being generally, an overcosted Rec Sage that can infinite with Mike in the right situation, but that situation is better suited to a midrange build. Manglehorn comes in as a testing piece to further stax mana rocks and other artifacts our opponents play.
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
Btw. Don't forget about Root Maze and Winter Orb interaction.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
Good Call! I do have Arbor on my maybe. Just been tough trying to slot him in!
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
Coz we're not playing W.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
I think I can play Desolation now coz of the new card and more LD. I just couldn't find any Dust Bowl right now. As for the demon, I think he's a really good toolbox creature paired with Life // Death and Gaea's Cradle. Sadly, we don't have access to U which is pretty good with the demon. I haven't updated my list on Tappedout though. Will update the list when I get home after summer holidays.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
Razzy is a definite possibility. From what I've heard from other people testing it, it's a crazy good card.
I've personally had this deck shelved for a few months due to Protean Hulk. not sure if i wanna go that route or nah, and if so, Varloz is a more tight commander for GB combo with Hulk, just minus the stax.
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
I see.
I agree. Varolz would be better and faster outside stax.
I'm still playing Meren while building up a Zur Stax. I'm trying out the 2 cards I mentioned above.
I'll update my current list and post it up later this week.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/meren-of-clan-nel-toth-stax-4/
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
thanks for posting it! You know, I dunno why I kept command beacon in the deck so long. I definitely need to remove that
Why Tangle Wire? I like it in brago for all the ways i can fetch it, reset the counters, etc.
Liliana, Heretical Healer ? I took her out ages ago. How has she been performing for you? Is she a part of your discard suite?
I personally like the idea of Body Snatcher over Phyrexian Delver as Snatcher allows you to grab Slyvan Safekeeper for added protection to your combo. Found that idea out over on /r/competitiveedh
Finally, Creakwood Liege? Another one I cut back when the deck was more midrangey. Does this feed something in particular?
I'm finally getting around to working on my Meren list. Summers are always bad for me lol. Im adding in the protean hulk combo, just need to find cuts. In the mean time
Removed:
Command Beacon
Added:
Swamp
Need more black sources, and I dont cast Meren enough to need Command Beacon. Plus it helps me cut back on the colorless mana sources!
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
Yes, Liliana, Heretical Healer is mostly there for the discard. The reanimation is bonus utility as well from time to time. Overall, she performs fine in the deck, lifelink helps a bit when she's a creature. The bad side of her is that she needs a sac outlet for her to flip and she doesn't help that much when you are behind or when there's no card to support her.
As for Creakwood Liege, it's my go to card when I have a lock on the board but I'm really low on resources to win. He can win the game by himself, assuming the opponents can't do anything, when you can't combo off. It's more of a 3rd wincon and helps Meren to grow bigger. It helps with Contamination, Magus of the Abyss, and Razaketh, the Foulblooded too. If I can get a hold of the good stax card/s, he's prolly the one to go or Liliana, Heretical Healer.
I thought about the Body Snatcher line as well but with my current list, it's heavy on discard(more stax pieces). Most of the time, my hand is already empty by t4 or t5. I won't be able to discard a creature card to combo off, though, I like the baked-in protection in that line. The line I usually do now is to put Contamination or Mindslicer online then go off. Thanks to Razaketh, he makes it easier.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
1x Acidic Slime
1x Avenger of Zendikar
1x Blood Artist
1x Butcher of Malakir
1x Carrion Feeder
1x Caustic Caterpillar
1x Disciple of Bolas
1x Eternal Witness
1x Fauna Shaman
1x Fleshbag Marauder
1x Harvester of Souls
1x It That Betrays
1x Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
1x Kokusho, the Evening Star
1x Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest
1x Merciless Executioner
1x Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1x Phyrexian Plaguelord
1x Puppeteer Clique
1x Reclamation Sage
1x Rune-Scarred Demon
1x Sakura-Tribe Elder
1x Savra, Queen of the Golgari
1x Scourge of Nel Toth
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Shriekmaw
1x Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1x Solemn Simulacrum
1x Spore Frog
1x Terastodon
1x Triskelion
1x Viridian Zealot
1x Viscera Seer
1x Woodfall Primus
1x Yavimaya Elder
1x Zulaport Cutthroat
1x Blooming Marsh
1x Command Tower
1x Crystal Vein
1x Evolving Wilds
9x Forest
1x Ghost Quarter
1x High Market
1x Llanowar Wastes
1x Overgrown Tomb
1x Phyrexian Tower
1x Reliquary Tower
1x Strip Mine
9x Swamp
1x Tainted Wood
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Temple of Malady
1x Temple of the False God
1x Terramorphic Expanse
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Westvale Abbey Flip
1x Woodland Cemetery
Enchantments: 6
1x Animate Dead
1x Deathreap Ritual
1x Dictate of Erebos
1x Grave Pact
1x Greater Good
1x Survival of the Fittest
1x Altar of Dementia
1x Ashnod's Altar
1x Birthing Pod
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Phyrexian Altar
1x Skullclamp
1x Sol Ring
1x Swiftfoot Boots
Sorceries: 7
1x Buried Alive
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Diabolic Intent
1x Dread Return
1x Jarad's Orders
1x Primal Growth
1x Victimize
Instants: 5
1x Abrupt Decay
1x Entomb
1x Krosan Grip
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Worldly Tutor
since your table wont allow combos, check out my early changelog for my midrange changes to combo/stax.
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown
Btw. I was able to order online an MP Chains of Mephistopheles and I'm so excited about the card. Will update my list as soon as the card arrives next week. Might trade some of my Modern staples for a Nether Void but I don't know yet.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
It's really good agianst decks that really wants to draw, U decks in particular. You pair it with Mindslicer so you'll slow them down significantly. It affects all extra draws.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
This. I've neglected to grab one for months, because I'm a scrub who prefers to foil his deck out haha. No seriously, I have terrible priorities, but at least the deck is pretty! Id love to have a Chains and Nether Void for the deck (and a real Cradle, I'm proxying, but I should proxy those too)
GB [Primer][Competitive][Stax][Combo] Meren of Clan Nel Toth 95% RETIRED
UW [Primer][Competitive][Combo][Stax] Brago, King Eternal RETIRED
BR Rakdos, Lord of Riots (75%)
G Titania - 75%
W SRAM - Welcome to the cheeri0s jam 95%
U Teferi - stax 100%
R Neheb - janky mono red eggs combo 90%
B Gonti - 50% valuetown