Well, personally I don't have an Imperial Seal and I play paper so that's likely never going to happen. I had put Altar of Bone in its place, but I think this could earn that slot instead. Alternatively, it probably is a bit of a better fit instead of new Thalia in the deck. Certainly more impactful at 3.
I tried yisan and while it can be helpful,and is definitely a threat while in play, as creature CA is super powerful, i think that Recruiter of the Guard is better. I will be replacing yisan with her when i can get a hold of one. Thank god it is only rare.
Anyone have any thoughts on the Sanctum Prelate?
Also, is Summoner's Bond legal? cause that thing is nuts.
I don't believe Summoner's bond is legal.. , but if you guys have home rules then it can be allowed.
I am definitely including Sanctum Prelate in this deck. It's almost like a meddling mage, but for converted mana costs. And our new Recruiter of the Gaurd can SEARCH for this guy! We can also search for karmic guide and play it. Sac, it. Recur it. Get more. Etc.
You would run it as a piece against storm lists, and put it either on 1 or 3 not to shield removal but to stop rituals and draws or to stop the larger enablers(DD, yawg will, lab man, etc). If we head that route it probably would have to replace one of the Thalias, though i believe it merits testing.
Imperial seal is strong and most of the time it will help you do anything you need on your turn. The cmc to value is too high for it to be put out because it isn't an instant. We lack a ton of CA so we have to work around that with card selection and quality. I even run Traverse the Ulvenwald and have been enjoying it so far even though it isn't 100% consistent.
I agree that prelate isn't the best option and is intended more for legacy i believe. I won't be running it myself either but was giving input on its optimal usage if someone was going to. Mana web is fantastic and has won me a game or two by itself.
I took out shred memory simply beacuse it wasn't doing everything i needed it to and was more often a dead card more than anything. I actually put Traverse in its place so maybe try that out and let me know what you think?
I agree on new Thalia being much better in the first few turns when our dorks are helping us keep ahead but I've never tutored for her specifically, and don't necessarily hate drawing her more than any other random card when i need a specific answer. Recruiter could replace her instead of yisan depending on your meta.
Hi Guys, im new in the forums, have been reading this post for a long time and it has been really usefull. I need help with my Karador, i will get this cards in a few days:
Academy Rector
Aegis of the Gods
Caustic Caterpillar
Eidolon of Rhetoric
Fiend Hunter
Grim Haruspex
Sadistic Hypnotist
Spirit of the Labyrinth
Thalia, Heretic Cathar
The problem is that i dont know what to take out of the deck, except the caterpillar for the Qasali Pridemage. Any thoughts, ideas, sugestiions on what should go in and what should go out?
@GMA: In the games i've palyed with him, Yisan is excellent in slower grindier games drawing out a dork then between 1-3 stack pieces as necessary on the way up. Excellent Card advantage and selection. When you are in a pod heavy with storm or hard stax he is much less useful as he is just too slow.
Hoenstly i think it is a meta call to either replace him or new thalia with the recruiter of the guard.
@Shermanido: Aether vial is not very useful as it only helps play our creatures, which are cheep anyway but doesn't search anything, so sometimes it sit's on the board uselessly, especially if you draw something that it isn't set on. Furthermore once you're in topdeck mode, being able to play what you draw is not really an issue. The only condition where i might try it out for a while would be in a meta dominated by almost exclusively stax lists as then your mana might be locked enough for it to be worthwhile.
@Oroboros: You can definitely take some lands out, dropping down to at most 33, preferably 32. In a competitive format, you shouldnt need more than 33. Lands you can drop: Vesuva, Kor Haven, Tranquil Thicket, Thespian's stage,Temple of Silence, Temple of the False God several basics. Add: Several fetches, Cradle (if within budget),in color pain lands/filter lands.
As for your creatures. You run a lot of high end that doesn't really aid in your boonweaver plan. You can drop Mikaeus, Sheoldred, wood elves, yavimaya granger, solemn simulacrum, Vish Kal, Sakura Elder, Wurmcoil.
In general running a little more fast mana (in budget), and some tutors, especially eldritch evolution will aid your game plan consistency and speed up your clock. As for Sadistic Hypnotist, I believe mindslicer is better as it hits everyone for their whole hand, is cheaper and we don't mind discard as much as others.
Good luck, hope this helps and if you have any more questions feel free to ask, i check this about once a day.
Yea, srry XD, my meta is very small, most of the time we play on my house, the good old kitchen table mode, so the deck doesnt need to be t1 build, i like the way the deck is build right now, with the new cards the deck is going more prision than control. Also, lucky me, i just open a brand new Recruiter of the Guard and i think that has a lot of future in the deck, anyone tried all ready?????
Same here, Aether Vial is not bad, but since must of the creatures in deck are very low u dont get to much advantage.
Yea i was thinking in reduce the land count, i dont play a lot of competitve, but i tried to set a kitchentable multi at least once a week. im going to take ur advice and take out vesuva, kor heaven, thespian stage and the temple of silence. with creatures i really like how Mikaeus interact with most of the deck, with him in play all the creatures go nuts XD. sheolderd is going out, i like how wood elves can combo and take all the forest out of the deck in a single turn, yavimaya grang can be changed for 1 drop mana gen, or i can just put mana crypt instead (anyone have tried yet?). regarding tutors im planning on buying an enlightened tutor to find the combo sac outlets faster.
I think you are right with the Sadistic Hypnotis, so minslicer is going to stay in (couse is one of the most hated creatures in the deck). Any one have tried Recruiter of the Guard, i just open one and i think is going to be great in the deck
Recruiter is going to be an all-star. It gets about 90% of the deck's creatures into your hand (including things like Shriekmaw). I have no doubt it will never come out of this list.
Sounds like the noise of many cards cards being picked up from the table by 3 other players.
My only issue with Massacre Wurm is that I find it inferior to Norn except in the specific case you mentioned (or mana is short?). If I'm going to tutor/reanimate I would probably get Norn.
Rector is easy to get. How easy is it to get evolution into your hand?
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Guys, what do you think about running Massacre Wurm? I've discovered potentially awesome synergy in Rector + Evolution -> Living Plane + Massacre Wurm. The wurm isn't that bad on his own either, as it kills tokens, dorks, hatebears and lots of other random utility creatures.
The Wurm went into the deck back when he first came out and never left. Especially after seeing cobblepot's list for the first time, I left him in for the exact reasons you listed. It was so disgusting to me at the time and caused so much salt I also had Natural Affinity in the 99 for a bit. Also, Birthing Pod into Norn is definitely a thing
Sounds like the noise of many cards cards being picked up from the table by 3 other players.
My only issue with Massacre Wurm is that I find it inferior to Norn except in the specific case you mentioned (or mana is short?). If I'm going to tutor/reanimate I would probably get Norn.
Rector is easy to get. How easy is it to get evolution into your hand?
At the speed in which competitive games go, the Wurm would back up Linvala and Norn as combo pieces with Living Plane. I really like the redundancy and since the Wurm would kill the lands, it gives opponents even less chances of coming back (Slaughter Pact is a thing". With all the tutors in the deck, I hope there's no problem getting Evolution into your hand.
Yeah I meant to write about the value of redundancy but I forgot cos I was talking to someone haha.
As for Slaughter Pact I'm not too worried. It comes up rarely (though that's a meta thing) and our deck has good reanimation. If you're going to say "maybe you don't have reanimation in your hand" I can also say "maybe he doesn't have Slaughter Pact"
I think it boils down to this: Is getting Norn (or similar effect) and Living Plane our main course of action most of the time? If yes then the redundancy is valuable. If the answer is no, then maybe we don't need so many cards for a secondary course of action because the Wurm is an inferior Norn (though as you pointed out being black has its benefits). One more thing: it's worth mentioning that Wurm is valuable later in the game while Norn is always good because the ability is static in Norn but an ETB in Wurm.
That said, the line of play mentioned by GMA has the surprise effect because you get both synergy pieces at once.
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i just to use the wurm, most of the time he is really good, i ahve instant win a multi with his CITP, but i took him out at the time couse i had to many 6 drops, hes event better if can manage to blink him
Playing with a similar build to this and having a lot of fun.. One thing that concerns me is graveyard hate (specifically getting boonweaver or pattern of rebirth exiled) - I'm seriously considering adding Riftsweeper to the deck, any thoughts?
Yeah, especially with the new mulligan rule, you have to be able to have multiple play paths. Elesh Norn with Living Plane is one.
If anyone exiles a card from your graveyard it's no big deal. What's a little more scary is Rest in Peace or Leyline of the Void. For those you have to go get your Reclamation Sage or Harmonic Sliver and you're gucci.
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So... no new toys for Karador in Kaladesh. This was kinda expected in an artifact focused expansion.
I switched Elesh for Massacre Wurm last Thursday and kinda didn't miss it. Has anybody had a similar experience or do you keep it in?
Wait what?? I thought the whole argument was to include Massache Wurm for redundancy. Elesh Norn is far superior. The life loss from the Wurm not too relevant since that is not how we really win. Once we have the combo life totals are irrelevant. The only possible thing that Wurm has over Norn is the color and the Rector-Eldrich Evolution combo. It don't know if the combo is worth substitution rather than taking another card out.
I switched Elesh for Massacre Wurm last Thursday and kinda didn't miss it. Has anybody had a similar experience or do you keep it in?
elesh doesnt need the stack - massacre is ok only if theres no torpor orb n hushwing gryff floating in your area.
elesh needs to be removed before some combos can be accomplished so her ability being a static is far superior in my eyes.
Exactly! It also stops things like Narset from being played at all. With Norn, Brago and Derevi do no damage either. It's super strong.
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Wurm seems fine if Linvala is out of your price range. Otherwise I feel like both Elesh and Linvala are better than the Wurm when it comes to ending games with Living Plane.
in regards to kaladesh... is anyone going to try out panharmonicon? when 90% of our creatures have etb's it seems pretty damn good.... although I hate trying to find room for a non-creature permanent with cmc 4+
maybe it only belongs in roon alongside conjurer's closet
It's also Skullclampable. So much value.
Anyone have any thoughts on the Sanctum Prelate?
Also, is Summoner's Bond legal? cause that thing is nuts.
I am definitely including Sanctum Prelate in this deck. It's almost like a meddling mage, but for converted mana costs. And our new Recruiter of the Gaurd can SEARCH for this guy! We can also search for karmic guide and play it. Sac, it. Recur it. Get more. Etc.
UBR Jeleva Grixis Storm
WBG Karador Boonweaver Combo
WUBRG Food Chain Tazri
I'm personally torn on the card. It seems sweet, but in practice I think the effect is too narrow in a format like Commander.
R Norin the Wary: I've Got a Bad Feeling About This
UG Thrasios & Kydele: Knowledge is Power
RG Borborygmos Enraged: The Breaking of the World
BG The Gitrog Monster: All Glory to the Hypnotoad
WUR Zedruu the Greathearted: Endless Possibilities, One Outcome
WBG Karador, Ghost Chieftain: What's Dead May Never Die
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Imperial seal is strong and most of the time it will help you do anything you need on your turn. The cmc to value is too high for it to be put out because it isn't an instant. We lack a ton of CA so we have to work around that with card selection and quality. I even run Traverse the Ulvenwald and have been enjoying it so far even though it isn't 100% consistent.
I took out shred memory simply beacuse it wasn't doing everything i needed it to and was more often a dead card more than anything. I actually put Traverse in its place so maybe try that out and let me know what you think?
I agree on new Thalia being much better in the first few turns when our dorks are helping us keep ahead but I've never tutored for her specifically, and don't necessarily hate drawing her more than any other random card when i need a specific answer. Recruiter could replace her instead of yisan depending on your meta.
R Norin the Wary: I've Got a Bad Feeling About This
UG Thrasios & Kydele: Knowledge is Power
RG Borborygmos Enraged: The Breaking of the World
BG The Gitrog Monster: All Glory to the Hypnotoad
WUR Zedruu the Greathearted: Endless Possibilities, One Outcome
WBG Karador, Ghost Chieftain: What's Dead May Never Die
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What are you preferred card draw methods and cards for your decks?
Academy Rector
Aegis of the Gods
Caustic Caterpillar
Eidolon of Rhetoric
Fiend Hunter
Grim Haruspex
Sadistic Hypnotist
Spirit of the Labyrinth
Thalia, Heretic Cathar
The problem is that i dont know what to take out of the deck, except the caterpillar for the Qasali Pridemage. Any thoughts, ideas, sugestiions on what should go in and what should go out?
This is my current deck
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/26-08-16-karador-edh/
KARADOR FTWWHitEBlaCkGREEn
@GMA: In the games i've palyed with him, Yisan is excellent in slower grindier games drawing out a dork then between 1-3 stack pieces as necessary on the way up. Excellent Card advantage and selection. When you are in a pod heavy with storm or hard stax he is much less useful as he is just too slow.
Hoenstly i think it is a meta call to either replace him or new thalia with the recruiter of the guard.
@Shermanido: Aether vial is not very useful as it only helps play our creatures, which are cheep anyway but doesn't search anything, so sometimes it sit's on the board uselessly, especially if you draw something that it isn't set on. Furthermore once you're in topdeck mode, being able to play what you draw is not really an issue. The only condition where i might try it out for a while would be in a meta dominated by almost exclusively stax lists as then your mana might be locked enough for it to be worthwhile.
@Oroboros: You can definitely take some lands out, dropping down to at most 33, preferably 32. In a competitive format, you shouldnt need more than 33. Lands you can drop: Vesuva, Kor Haven, Tranquil Thicket, Thespian's stage,Temple of Silence, Temple of the False God several basics. Add: Several fetches, Cradle (if within budget),in color pain lands/filter lands.
As for your creatures. You run a lot of high end that doesn't really aid in your boonweaver plan. You can drop Mikaeus, Sheoldred, wood elves, yavimaya granger, solemn simulacrum, Vish Kal, Sakura Elder, Wurmcoil.
In general running a little more fast mana (in budget), and some tutors, especially eldritch evolution will aid your game plan consistency and speed up your clock. As for Sadistic Hypnotist, I believe mindslicer is better as it hits everyone for their whole hand, is cheaper and we don't mind discard as much as others.
Good luck, hope this helps and if you have any more questions feel free to ask, i check this about once a day.
KARADOR FTWWHitEBlaCkGREEn
Yea i was thinking in reduce the land count, i dont play a lot of competitve, but i tried to set a kitchentable multi at least once a week. im going to take ur advice and take out vesuva, kor heaven, thespian stage and the temple of silence. with creatures i really like how Mikaeus interact with most of the deck, with him in play all the creatures go nuts XD. sheolderd is going out, i like how wood elves can combo and take all the forest out of the deck in a single turn, yavimaya grang can be changed for 1 drop mana gen, or i can just put mana crypt instead (anyone have tried yet?). regarding tutors im planning on buying an enlightened tutor to find the combo sac outlets faster.
I think you are right with the Sadistic Hypnotis, so minslicer is going to stay in (couse is one of the most hated creatures in the deck). Any one have tried Recruiter of the Guard, i just open one and i think is going to be great in the deck
tyvm for ur imput
KARADOR FTWWHitEBlaCkGREEn
EDH:
G[cEDH] Selvala, Heart of the StormG
URW[cEDH] Narset, the Last AirmericanURW
GWUSt. Jenara, the ArchangelGWU
UBGrimgrin, Chaos MarineUB
GOmnath, Mana BaronG
URWNarset, Justice League AmericaURW
GWUBAtraxa, Countess of CountersGWUB
GWUEstrid, Enbantress PrimeGWU
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My only issue with Massacre Wurm is that I find it inferior to Norn except in the specific case you mentioned (or mana is short?). If I'm going to tutor/reanimate I would probably get Norn.
Rector is easy to get. How easy is it to get evolution into your hand?
GWUDerevi, Empyrial TaPticianGWU
BGWKarador, Ghost ChieftainBGW
UGMomir Vig, Simic VisionaryUG
The Wurm went into the deck back when he first came out and never left. Especially after seeing cobblepot's list for the first time, I left him in for the exact reasons you listed. It was so disgusting to me at the time and caused so much salt I also had Natural Affinity in the 99 for a bit. Also, Birthing Pod into Norn is definitely a thing
At the speed in which competitive games go, the Wurm would back up Linvala and Norn as combo pieces with Living Plane. I really like the redundancy and since the Wurm would kill the lands, it gives opponents even less chances of coming back (Slaughter Pact is a thing". With all the tutors in the deck, I hope there's no problem getting Evolution into your hand.
As for Slaughter Pact I'm not too worried. It comes up rarely (though that's a meta thing) and our deck has good reanimation. If you're going to say "maybe you don't have reanimation in your hand" I can also say "maybe he doesn't have Slaughter Pact"
I think it boils down to this: Is getting Norn (or similar effect) and Living Plane our main course of action most of the time? If yes then the redundancy is valuable. If the answer is no, then maybe we don't need so many cards for a secondary course of action because the Wurm is an inferior Norn (though as you pointed out being black has its benefits). One more thing: it's worth mentioning that Wurm is valuable later in the game while Norn is always good because the ability is static in Norn but an ETB in Wurm.
That said, the line of play mentioned by GMA has the surprise effect because you get both synergy pieces at once.
GWUDerevi, Empyrial TaPticianGWU
BGWKarador, Ghost ChieftainBGW
UGMomir Vig, Simic VisionaryUG
GWUDerevi, Empyrial TaPticianGWU
BGWKarador, Ghost ChieftainBGW
UGMomir Vig, Simic VisionaryUG
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If anyone exiles a card from your graveyard it's no big deal. What's a little more scary is Rest in Peace or Leyline of the Void. For those you have to go get your Reclamation Sage or Harmonic Sliver and you're gucci.
GWUDerevi, Empyrial TaPticianGWU
BGWKarador, Ghost ChieftainBGW
UGMomir Vig, Simic VisionaryUG
Wait what?? I thought the whole argument was to include Massache Wurm for redundancy. Elesh Norn is far superior. The life loss from the Wurm not too relevant since that is not how we really win. Once we have the combo life totals are irrelevant. The only possible thing that Wurm has over Norn is the color and the Rector-Eldrich Evolution combo. It don't know if the combo is worth substitution rather than taking another card out.
Exactly! It also stops things like Narset from being played at all. With Norn, Brago and Derevi do no damage either. It's super strong.
GWUDerevi, Empyrial TaPticianGWU
BGWKarador, Ghost ChieftainBGW
UGMomir Vig, Simic VisionaryUG
R Norin the Wary: I've Got a Bad Feeling About This
UG Thrasios & Kydele: Knowledge is Power
RG Borborygmos Enraged: The Breaking of the World
BG The Gitrog Monster: All Glory to the Hypnotoad
WUR Zedruu the Greathearted: Endless Possibilities, One Outcome
WBG Karador, Ghost Chieftain: What's Dead May Never Die
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maybe it only belongs in roon alongside conjurer's closet
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