So i have been playing this deck for 2 days since i got a copy of the great aurora and prossh on mtgo and its stupidly fun im addicted to it its a storm combo deck that leans heavy on geas cradle which i may add another specific tutor for as my next round of changes but im willing to take suggestions as i just started playing it and though it rough around the corners i have been murdering with it in hilarious ways currently considering mindslicer and either expedition mapthis is what i have on mtgo at the moment ill be less sloppy with the decklist when i feel like editing it i dont own food chain on mtgo nor do i need to be told its good with prossh if i owned one i would play it tis 25 tics i may or may not add it because i simply don't want to run food chain or be a food chain deck at this point im built around the great Auroa damn it ! ia slo could probly do with a more universal spot removal spell and a single warth of god be it pernicious deed or toxic deluge so there are some of my current thoughts. If you have siggestions for what to cut or looks like it doesnt fit well please let me know becuase i know some of these cards will be coming in and i haven't played enough games to know where to place them yet!
Yea I did tell you I would post that didn't I. Yes it is a lot like my buddies old wort deck another play TGA will be disgusting thinking about that deck reminds me avenger zendikar is a card and cast able off NO prolly better than myr battle sphere. Vexing and gluteal response are considerations I'll be testing more tonight
First game minons murmur owned hardcore i ate a removal spell every single including round including killing ym gambled mana crypt with vandalblast then an overloaded vandalbalast recovered from a desertion ed witness my board was wiped by jund charm and blast act i still drew my entire deck by turn 7 i should have recorded gonna record a few more games very resilient deck swapping to zendikar mattered
- myr battlesphere
- promise of power
+ murmur
+ avenger will update after testing session
It has been a blast to play tonight shout out to hunding that 4 mana uncommon i have never seen has been absolutely disgusting chaining those cards together is good game in its own right. the gas density in this deck is incredible i can eat insane amounts of hate and keep on chugging. I uploaded 3 more videos just now they are done uploading still processing https://www.youtube.com/user/TIMEWALKDG22
Edit : the next card I want to test is the god of the forge I think he will be a great kill condition
How would you feel about underworld connections as a draw engine with earthcraft? Also I think credit voucher may have some potential in this deck with how much it draws but it might just be a win more card at times but with how much this deck shuffles it might just be a worse scroll rack both would make you more resilient to discard. Beseech the queen might be worth considering as its another tutor and considering 79 of the cards in your list are 3cmc or less I'm not sure how much you care about the land requirements for it. Cruel tutor is a imperial seal that costs 2 more colorless mana. Hunting Pack is an expensive empty the warrens that gives 4/4s but considering how easily this deck gets cradle I'm not sure it matters besides its an instant if that's relevant. Planar portal is probably way to expensive but is a reusable tutor. Disciple of Bolas is a 4 mana creature life's legacy in black with some additional effects Momentous Fall is another 4 mana life's legacy. Moonlight Bargain is a weird card kinda like an Ad Nauseam for 5 cards that wont kill you. Orochi Leafcaller is a card to sac to natural order/skullclamp that can filter green mana into anything which seems very useful with cradle. Slate of Ancestory is a reusable Collective Unconscious but you have to discard your hand before each use. If you ran more green win condition creatures lure of prey might be good but I feel like if you have cradle out you probably wouldn't want this.
In terms of cards to consider cutting Night's whisper seems extremely underwhelming when you look at all your other draw spells but is not dependent on other factors. Also I would consider cutting bitter blossom for braid of fire.
Note: I had card names bolded at first but it glitched so I had to unbold them all and I don't know how to make it so when you click the card name it links to the card.
Edit: Saw someone use memory jar before the aurora which seemed pretty good but conditional
Editx2: How is act on impulse as a second nights whisper?
Night's whispers not a good cut from my experience I need a few more cards like it if anything. Once the deck gets going it's difficult to keep down its weakest when it draws poorly on the curve of the lower curve cards don't carry it into the endgame. The deck has quite a few one drops and whisper gets us the extra land drop it needs to break through to where it shines in fact in considering adding 2 more similar cards in read the bones and cultivate/ kodamas reach reach. In fact the last game I played I had cut the Mindslicer which while it has a lot of great synergy in theory killing my own hand is terrible once I get going and it's far to Riskey to drop early without an onboard draw engine when my opponents can slay it on their terms. I also cut bitter blossom which also has some great synergy but was too slow and did not get me what I wanted out of a card lower on my curve in breaking through the weakness the deck has in the first few turns. I added kodamas reach and puraphos who has been excellent but I want to find another cut for read the bones. Also with my land tutors and a heavy reliance on rude awakening to untapped cradle I think I want to play deserted temple in one of my land slots. The proportions are fairly good but I want maybe 1 more card that dies what nights whisper does which is smooth out my early game then let me instant win off seal or vamp in my yard or hand after the great aurora while it's typically not quite as strong as cultivate in the opening hand it can potentially be better and is a much better draw later in the game so that I still have better odds of topdecking into gas once I have the initial mana situation on lock as well as serving a purpose on my combo turn from
My GY. The interaction with esrthcraft is cool indeed with connections but I think it's too slow on its own and I dint see it being very good as that interaction won't kick in until a card like the momentous you mention would just be far stronger. I love disciple of bolas and fall
Those are good suggestions that warrant testing as well ill
Update the op after another day or two of testing I like the idea of fall much more than disciple because it's green and because instant instant I can pass on prossh dropping the cradle or palming rotation with an open green source and all the sudden when they try to wrath me I draw from 3 cards to 14 and crush them on thier turn that is a solid suggestion.
Bitter blossom for sure too slow . If you read my giant wall of text I just cut it. Arena is a possible cut for read the bones the one game I've drawn it I had a mox Diamond and it was great but if I do I'll still want another early game card I'd like to up my proportions by 1 in that area still it's possible that I just up the land count by 1 via deserted temple but I want to cut one more card bad in the opening hand for it have not decided what yet. I do like the idea of making arena read the bonesas it's faster and a stronger top deck card like the kodamas reach is good with ancient tomb.
Wort was mentioned earlier as a similar deck idea but what about running him in your 99 duplicating any of the storm spells or mana/card draw spells is good and its not as if u don't have the creatures(tokens mostly) to duplicate most spells
Idk how you feel about sacking permanents for draw but you should look at reprocess
Randomly get on mtgo for the first time in a month and a half and see moxnix made a Jund storm deck? Woooo, I love seeing your storm brews!
I have no idea how good some of these will be with how your build plays out, I know some will be suboptimal. Just a random stack of cards your list or a quick glimpse of your youtube got me thinking about:
You almost have an almost really cool incidental birthing pod line happening too.
When I think about cuts , are you actually killing people with agro - Coat of arms? Your high end looks a little dense if your worried about opening hands still at all.
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Randomly get on mtgo for the first time in a month and a half and see moxnix made a Jund storm deck? Woooo, I love seeing your storm brews!
I have no idea how good some of these will be with how your build plays out, I know some will be suboptimal. Just a random stack of cards your list or a quick glimpse of your youtube got me thinking about:
You almost have an almost really cool incidental birthing pod line happening too.
When I think about cuts , are you actually killing people with agro - Coat of arms? Your high end looks a little dense if your worried about opening hands still at all.
the higher mana cost doesn't seem to be a problem gaes cradle takes care of most of it
I think that Coat of Arms is not as good as Shared Animosity. The toughness boost from Coat isn't super important (go ahead and trade something off with my Kobolds of Kher Keep token), and 2R < 5. On the other side, Memory Jar costs five colorless mana and arguable makes a larger impact on more types of boards than Coat of Arms does.
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Sorry I've been playing this but not tending my thread These are good suggestions coat of arms has felt unnecessary as mentioned so I did cut the card I'll update the op in a little bit. Honestly my back end feels fine I rarely have problems going off once I get going it's just getting through my first large refill spell that my deviates not perfect for yet. once I pull that off I have no issues this decks largest issue thus far is getting over that initial hump. Deserted temple has tested incredibly well enough so that I'm considering candelabra as well. Just played a hilarious game where I had no gas/ refill card but I had turn 2 oracle of muldaya off tutoring mana crypt turn 3 prosh with forest on top of my deck I get preators grasped for sol ring and the shuffle stick TGA on top I take it crop rotation cradle pop it I then retutor cradle cast empty the warrens for like 6 then tutor yawgwin into empty for 21 with grabbing puraphos god of the forge during my chain lol.
If anyone was curious, I suggested cutting the aggro cards because they are more moving pieces needed to win on the same turn. Haste is needed for consistency, and its just not as good as using spells.
Honestly my back end feels fine I rarely have problems going off once I get going it's just getting through my first large refill spell that my deviates not perfect for yet. once I pull that off I have no issues this decks largest issue thus far is getting over that initial hump.
Mageslayer- this is what i was refering to when suggesting being careful with the high cmc spells. I had the same problem in a jund goblin storm deck, and in wort. If the first big draw spell gets countered, then its possible to kind of stall out. Losing blues cantrips and brainstorms really is a struggle. Moxnix, im really curious to see how you resolve this issue as the deck progress's. I went with suicide black options, but it didn't feel super strong, sometimes i just killed myself finding more action.
moxnix- Some other draw spells that I dont think I saw mentioned here:
-Cant believe im typingt his crap card out but :Skulltap
-Necrolagia
-Midnight Bargain
-The red Miracle Wheel of fortuyne
-Regrowth
-iggy?
Is (9 fetch-lands + Wasteland + Strip Mine = ) 11 lands enough to support Deathrite Shaman. I think it's close but it will depend on your meta. Do your opponents typically run a lot of fetch-lands as well?
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2 arid mesa
3 windswept heath
4 wooded foothills
5 scalding tarn
6 verdant catacombs
7 marsh flats
8 polluted delta
9 bloodstained mire
10 misty rainforest
11 Taiga
12 Stomping ground
13 bayou
14 overgrown tomb
15 badlands
16 Blood crypt
17 Gaea's cradle
18 strip mine
19 wasteland
20 ancient tomb
21 urborg tomb of yawgmoth
22 command tower
23 mana confluence
24 twliight mire
25 Desserted temple
26 city of brass
27 swamp
28 swamp
29 swamp
30 forest
31 forest
32 forest
33 forest
34 mountain
35 Mana crypt
36 mox diamond
37 lotus petal
38 Lion's Eye Diamond
CMC 1
39 duress
40 thoughtseize
41 pyroblast
42 red elemental blast
43 nature's claim
44 Xantid Swarm
45 Birds of paradise
46 Skullclamp
47 exploration
48 gamble
49 vampiric tutor
50 imperial seal
51 dark ritual
52 sol ring
53 mana vault
54 Sensei's divining top
55 Crop rotation
56 Carpet of flowers
57 Expedition map
CMC 2
58 cabal ritual
59 dark confidant
60 demonic tutor
61 life's legacy
62 diabolic intent
63 night's whisper
64 earthcraft
65 helm of awakening
66 sylvan library
67 Sylvan scrying
68 Grim monolith
69 kodama's reach
70 cultivate
71 fecundity
72 Grim tutor
73 Read the bones
74 necropotence
75 yawgmoth's will
76 Seething Song
77 Wheel of fortune
78 Eternal witness
79 Azusa, lost but seeking
80 crucible of worlds
CMC 4
81 Spontaneous Generation
82 Xenagos, The Reveler
83 Garruk Wildspeaker
84 Past in flames
85 oracle of mul daya
86 Saproling symbiosis
87 empty the warrens
88 Tendrils of agony
99 Minions' Murmurs
90 Purphoros, God of the forge
CMC 5
91 Dark Petition
92 Increasing ambition
93 Shamanic revelation
94 Deranged hermit
95 Emrakul's hatcher
96 Gilded lotus
97 Rude awakening
cmc 6
98 Collective unconscious
CMC 9
99 The Great Aurora
CMCx
100 Diabolic revelation
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hoping to hop on this great aurora train soon maybe with white idk
also if your storm you might think about running explore and/or Manamorphose
+ Mindslicer
-DRS
-Diabolic tutor
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Very Nice, now post your Keranos like you promised.
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Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort
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Is something like Carnival of Souls actually playable in a deck like this? Seems like you would be guaranteed to go off once it hit.
This also might be a deck where Cadaverous Bloom actually makes sense...
Jalira, Master Polymorphist | Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder | Bosh, Iron Golem | Ezuri, Renegade Leader
Brago, King Eternal | Oona, Queen of the Fae | Wort, Boggart Auntie | Wort, the Raidmother
Captain Sisay | Rhys, the Redeemed | Trostani, Selesnya's Voice | Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight | Obzedat, Ghost Council | Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind | Vorel of the Hull Clade
Uril, the Miststalker | Prossh, Skyraider of Kher | Nicol Bolas | Progenitus
Ghave, Guru of Spores | Zedruu the Greathearted | Damia, Sage of Stone | Riku of Two Reflections
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- myr battlesphere
- promise of power
+ murmur
+ avenger will update after testing session
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Edit : the next card I want to test is the god of the forge I think he will be a great kill condition
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In terms of cards to consider cutting Night's whisper seems extremely underwhelming when you look at all your other draw spells but is not dependent on other factors. Also I would consider cutting bitter blossom for braid of fire.
Note: I had card names bolded at first but it glitched so I had to unbold them all and I don't know how to make it so when you click the card name it links to the card.
Edit: Saw someone use memory jar before the aurora which seemed pretty good but conditional
Editx2: How is act on impulse as a second nights whisper?
My GY. The interaction with esrthcraft is cool indeed with connections but I think it's too slow on its own and I dint see it being very good as that interaction won't kick in until a card like the momentous you mention would just be far stronger. I love disciple of bolas and fall
Those are good suggestions that warrant testing as well ill
Update the op after another day or two of testing I like the idea of fall much more than disciple because it's green and because instant instant I can pass on prossh dropping the cradle or palming rotation with an open green source and all the sudden when they try to wrath me I draw from 3 cards to 14 and crush them on thier turn that is a solid suggestion.
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Idk how you feel about sacking permanents for draw but you should look at reprocess
I have no idea how good some of these will be with how your build plays out, I know some will be suboptimal. Just a random stack of cards your list or a quick glimpse of your youtube got me thinking about:
Phyrexian Altar, Ashnods Altar?
Viscera Seer
Culling the weak has been good to me too, maybe try it for a few games? +1 re: manamorphose too
Plunge into Darkness
Unmask
Lotus Cobra
Spontaneous Generation
Chrome Mox? Spirit Guides?
Deathrite Shaman
Songs of the Damned
Parallel Lives (Or Doubling Season)
Tinder Wall (Wild Cantor or blood pet exist too but meh)
Grapeshot and goblin Bombardment could both be that removal spell mentioned in the op.
You almost have an almost really cool incidental birthing pod line happening too.
When I think about cuts , are you actually killing people with agro - Coat of arms? Your high end looks a little dense if your worried about opening hands still at all.
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the higher mana cost doesn't seem to be a problem gaes cradle takes care of most of it
and thoughts on nature's will
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Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort
Mageslayer- this is what i was refering to when suggesting being careful with the high cmc spells. I had the same problem in a jund goblin storm deck, and in wort. If the first big draw spell gets countered, then its possible to kind of stall out. Losing blues cantrips and brainstorms really is a struggle. Moxnix, im really curious to see how you resolve this issue as the deck progress's. I went with suicide black options, but it didn't feel super strong, sometimes i just killed myself finding more action.
moxnix- Some other draw spells that I dont think I saw mentioned here:
-Cant believe im typingt his crap card out but :Skulltap
-Necrolagia
-Midnight Bargain
-The red Miracle Wheel of fortuyne
-Regrowth
-iggy?
Was also thinking about Thunderscape Familiar.
Gitrog Lands
Merieke Ri Berit Flicker
Ramos, Dragon Engine Storm