Definitely have to get Stylus, and probably Heartstone too. Maybe Flayer, not sure yet. I briefly considered Battlesphere, but I'm also trying to keep the curve lower.
Has pretty good synergy with Kiki and gives your tutors synergy with winning at 5... Yea this guy was instantly a doomsday card every doomsday player ever saw this wording and got excited . I thought about making this one if my 1:1 decks for mtgo. I'm sure their are plenty of possible line you can use that's just the one that took me 3 seconds to think up.
Has pretty good synergy with Kiki and gives your tutors synergy with winning at 5... Yea this guy was instantly a doomsday card every doomsday player ever saw this wording and got excited . I thought about making this one if my 1:1 decks for mtgo. I'm sure their are plenty of possible line you can use that's just the one that took me 3 seconds to think up.
So far I'm seeing Priest of Gix, Priest of Urabrask and Emrakul's Hatcher that would be good adds which are also good on their own, so I need to find room for them also. I also think Mana Echos should be in the deck. I'm debating cutting Black Market because I don't really have a use for all this mana other than a Lantern/Grenzo combo chain (with a sac outlet). I think Echos would be similar.
Has pretty good synergy with Kiki and gives your tutors synergy with winning at 5... Yea this guy was instantly a doomsday card every doomsday player ever saw this wording and got excited . I thought about making this one if my 1:1 decks for mtgo. I'm sure their are plenty of possible line you can use that's just the one that took me 3 seconds to think up.
So far I'm seeing Priest of Gix, Priest of Urabrask and Emrakul's Hatcher that would be good adds which are also good on their own, so I need to find room for them also. I also think Mana Echos should be in the deck. I'm debating cutting Black Market because I don't really have a use for all this mana other than a Lantern/Grenzo combo chain (with a sac outlet). I think Echos would be similar.
Add Braid of Fire to that list also. I've been looking at crafting a "Tiny Leaders" list w/ Grenzo, and the 'Braid (along with the others you've mentioned) is nothing more than a cute "win more" most of the time.
digger is an awesome .... You could just play it as is no conscripts with the cards you like still use doomsday just get more expensive
Cryos johnny combo Doomsday
Bottom
hatcher
Disciple of bolas
Purphos
Soldevi Digger
Ashnod's Altar
Top
this pile wins at 10 (6BBBR)with x=2 oddly enough due to the red cost in purph so at 10 you could use even viscous shadows since your hard casting him. Their are literally tons of jankey flavorful lines in the 7+ area and at tooth and nail barrier and requiring your general its more fair than mind over matter in azami or arcanis and much more dangerous for you soo that's pretty fair. Ill see if i can think of some cheaper piles not using things like mike trike or kiki ( keep in mind if you already have combo pieces like your sac outlet in play you will get cheap and insanely powerful lines)
Well I picked up Doomsday and a few of the cards mentioned earlier. Unfortunately the LGS didn't have Gix, so boo. Oh, and Doomsday was white border. Nooooooo!!! *shakes fist*
Deck list updated. Doomsday added, and the deck is starting to focus less on tribal, and more on the main combos: Doomsday, Nim Deathmantle, Ashnod Altar, and straight aggro swings. I cut Black Market but I think that was a mistake.
It's like I'm trying to make everyone's black deck posts into versions of my own deck...
Though this does feel kinda like a beautiful combination of Xiahou Dun and Norin.
Hmmm, yes that would work. It requires five mana, which limits the effectiveness to almost only Ashnod's Altar. But this is a combo deck, so I'll try to find room if I think it will be worth it.
Nice list Cryogen, I just decided to build Grenzo myself. Have you had a chance to start playing with the Doomsday combo yet? Just wondering how much luck you're having with it. Seems like if you're interrupted, it's pretty much game over, but I could be wrong.
Nice list Cryogen, I just decided to build Grenzo myself. Have you had a chance to start playing with the Doomsday combo yet? Just wondering how much luck you're having with it. Seems like if you're interrupted, it's pretty much game over, but I could be wrong.
Not yet. Last Tuesday was the first time I played it. I'll try it again with the Doomsday combo and see what happens. It is absolutely an all-in combo but that is what I want to try out. Another set of cards I want to find room for is Crystal Ball and Darksteel Pendant. I may remove Gary for Ball, since I don't anticipate getting a high devotion.
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Lands
0 Ancient Tomb
0 Auntie's Hovel
0 Badlands
0 Blood Crypt
0 Bloodstained Mire
0 Cavern of Souls
0 Command Tower
0 Dragonskull Summit
0 Graven Cairns
0 Great Furnace
0 Molten Slagheap
8 Mountain
0 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
0 Opal Palace
0 Phyrexian Tower
0 Polluted Delta
0 Rakdos Carnarium
0 Scalding Tarn
0 Strip Mine
6 Swamp
0 Temple of Malice
0 Terrain Generator
0 Vault of Whispers
Artifacts
1 Skullclamp
1 Sol Ring
2 Charcoal Diamond
2 Cloak and Dagger
2 Fire Diamond
2 Genesis Chamber
2 Lightning Greaves
2 Mind Stone
2 Nim Deathmantle
2 Rakdos Signet
2 Reito Lantern
2 Soldevi Digger
2 Star Compass
2 Talisman of Indulgence
3 Ashnod's Altar
3 Crucible of Worlds
3 Crystal Ball
3 Phyrexian Altar
4 Trading Post
1 Goblin Welder
1 Viscera Seer
2 Blood Artist
2 Iron Myr
2 Leaden Myr
2 Mogg War Marshal
2 Myr Retriever
3 Cathodion
3 Goblin Chieftain
3 Goblin Matron
3 Junk Diver
3 Priest of Gix
3 Priest of Urabrask
3 Scarecrone
4 Falkenrath Noble
4 Krenko, Mob Boss
4 Marsh Flitter
4 Moggcatcher
4 Murdous Redcap
4 Purphoros, God of the Forge
4 Solemn Simulacrum
5 Emrakul's Hatcher
5 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
5 Kiki-Kiki, Mirror Breaker
5 Siege-Gang Commander
5 Zealous Conscripts
6 Duplicant
6 Goblin Marshal
6 Grave Titan
6 Wurmcoil Engine
2 Goblin Bombardment
3 Infernal Tribute
3 Shared Animosity
4 Grave Pact
4 Stranglehold
7 Vicious Shadows
Other Spells
1 Gamble
1 Vampiric Tutor
2 Demonic Tutor
3 Chaos Warp
3 Doomsday
3 Wheel of Fortune
5 Mogg Infestation
5 Reforge the Soul
5 Torrent of Souls
Combos:
Nim Deathmantle + Ashnod's Altar + any of the the creatures which create tokens (or Cathodion or Priest of Gix/Priest of Urabrask) create infinite ETB/death triggers. Combine this with Purphoros, God of the Forge, Vicious Shadows, or Blood Artist/Falkenrath Noble. Murderous Redcap can accomplish infinite damage triggers with just Nim and Ashnod. With Goblin Chieftain or Lightning Greaves in play, Krenko, Mob Boss can usually be added to this list. Any of the above which create four total creatures (and Cathodion) can accomplish the same by substituting Phyrexian Altar in place of Ashnod's Altar. If you are in a position to net creature tokens, Goblin Bombardment is a damage-producing sac outlet.
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden + Reito Lantern + Ashnod's Altar + any creature which generates 5+ mana after saccing it can take the place of Nim Deathmantle in the above combos. This can be done with Soldevi Digger for 4 mana, provided you can keep the creature on the top of your graveyard.
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Zealous Conscripts is infinte ETB triggers (Purphoros, God of the Forge), infinite creatures to sac for Blood Artist, and because the tokens all have haste, swinging for lethal.
Doomsday with Grenzo, Dungeon Warden in play and two more mana is enough to stack Priest of Urabrask and Priest of Gix into Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Zealous Conscripts for the win. Depending on your board state at the time, there are plenty of other cards you can fetch (see above).
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Otherwise, I love the list and it looks like a ton of fun to pilot.
Impossible, I never make mistakes. But yeah, it was pretty fun to play the other night. At least enough to want to play it again.
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Tel-Jilad Stylus allows you to take any good creature and retrigger their ETB.
Flayer of the Hatebound missing???? Unacceptable.
Myr Battlesphere gives a lot of bodies which turn around quite nicely with Ashnod's Altar for a ton more activations.
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Definitely have to get Stylus, and probably Heartstone too. Maybe Flayer, not sure yet. I briefly considered Battlesphere, but I'm also trying to keep the curve lower.
And a color. Which Doomsday combo are you talking about (that doesn't require blue)?
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Cast Doomsday
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Ritual dork
Ritual dork
Kiki Kiki (lol)
Conscripts
Doesn't matter
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So far I'm seeing Priest of Gix, Priest of Urabrask and Emrakul's Hatcher that would be good adds which are also good on their own, so I need to find room for them also. I also think Mana Echos should be in the deck. I'm debating cutting Black Market because I don't really have a use for all this mana other than a Lantern/Grenzo combo chain (with a sac outlet). I think Echos would be similar.
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Add Braid of Fire to that list also. I've been looking at crafting a "Tiny Leaders" list w/ Grenzo, and the 'Braid (along with the others you've mentioned) is nothing more than a cute "win more" most of the time.
Have you considered Soldevi Digger? Pretty close in practice to what you're getting from Reito Lantern.
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Cryos johnny combo Doomsday
Bottom
hatcher
Disciple of bolas
Purphos
Soldevi Digger
Ashnod's Altar
Top
this pile wins at 10 (6BBBR)with x=2 oddly enough due to the red cost in purph so at 10 you could use even viscous shadows since your hard casting him. Their are literally tons of jankey flavorful lines in the 7+ area and at tooth and nail barrier and requiring your general its more fair than mind over matter in azami or arcanis and much more dangerous for you soo that's pretty fair. Ill see if i can think of some cheaper piles not using things like mike trike or kiki ( keep in mind if you already have combo pieces like your sac outlet in play you will get cheap and insanely powerful lines)
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It's like I'm trying to make everyone's black deck posts into versions of my own deck...
Though this does feel kinda like a beautiful combination of Xiahou Dun and Norin.
Hmmm, yes that would work. It requires five mana, which limits the effectiveness to almost only Ashnod's Altar. But this is a combo deck, so I'll try to find room if I think it will be worth it.
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Or Phyrexian Altar + Pawn of Ulamog.
(Though Reassembling Skeleton can also work at that point.)
While this deck is really cool, I'm very puzzled by the card Kiki-Kiki. Did Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker get a brother?
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Not yet. Last Tuesday was the first time I played it. I'll try it again with the Doomsday combo and see what happens. It is absolutely an all-in combo but that is what I want to try out. Another set of cards I want to find room for is Crystal Ball and Darksteel Pendant. I may remove Gary for Ball, since I don't anticipate getting a high devotion.
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