I wouldn't say it's strictly better than Vengeful Dead, I use Dead in my build because of Tombstone Stairwell. That's Each Upkeep a new horde of Zombies come into play and each End Step that they die, Dead checks anytime a Zombie dies without caring who owns them.
Yeah, I see your point. Your opponents may have zombies as well. However, you have a combo dependent on Vengeful Dead; I don't. I don't really like Tombstone Stairwell because of the cumulative upkeep. So, as far as my deck is concerned, the only zombies in play are my own. Notwithstanding, redundance is always a good thing in EDH. So running both may still be great. However, if I find no viable swap, Vengeful Dead will be replaced with Plague Belcher.
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I would consider this an auto include. Can be quite bonkers. With Sidisi out, all your zombies get a chance to immediately make more zombies.
It's definitely a shoe-in! Not only for the reason that you mentioned but I can also mill an opponent. This card would go amazing with the Budget Build and Zombie Build; for sure it's going in there! For the Main Build it's a bit tricky since the probability of having a creature being the top card is only 33%.
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Yeah. Imagine having this with mesmeric orb and seedborn muse out. Could get out of hand quickly
Definitely. It makes my zombies tap without needing haste. So I can essentially do it at the end of each turn and have Seedborn Muse reset my board at the beginning of each following turn. The only setback is it being an artifact. I'm not going to cut a creature for it. So what can I cut it for? I also want to test the new Liliana (Death's Majesty), who is pretty much Amonkhet's Tasigur. I don't think that Liliana's gonna make the cut. But who knows? The first two abilities are pretty useful. Not as impacting as I'd like, but pretty useful. That being said, Embalmer's Tools needs to make it in this deck!
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I see we're all in agreement with Embalmer's Tools, especially since I'm running Tombstone Stairwell and Undead Alchemist in my builds - makes milling others possible.
Hell, I want to make some minor changes to mind. Mostly cut Acidic Slime for Caustic Caterpillar. There have been a few times where I couldn't pay the full amount or I had to do other things. The other is adding Crop Rotation and Bojuka Bog - Crop because I finally have a lot of the good lands and I could then also fetch the Bog. If I add the Bog, I know conventional wisdom is to cut a spell for it, but the deck is just too damned tight. I'm thinking of skimping out and cutting a Swamp or an ETBT land or Reliquary Tower. Advice on using Bog?
I see we're all in agreement with Embalmer's Tools, especially since I'm running Tombstone Stairwell and Undead Alchemist in my builds - makes milling others possible.
Hell, I want to make some minor changes to mind. Mostly cut Acidic Slime for Caustic Caterpillar. There have been a few times where I couldn't pay the full amount or I had to do other things. The other is adding Crop Rotation and Bojuka Bog - Crop because I finally have a lot of the good lands and I could then also fetch the Bog. If I add the Bog, I know conventional wisdom is to cut a spell for it, but the deck is just too damned tight. I'm thinking of skimping out and cutting a Swamp or an ETBT land or Reliquary Tower. Advice on using Bog?
If you're gonna be milling then you can definitely add Bojuka Bog. It'd be super brutal to use before an opponent can use their graveyard or recover anything from it. If you have more than one basic Swamp then you could swap it out for the bog. If you're not drawing a lot of cards, then you can take out Reliquary Tower; your graveyard is supposed to be your hand, anyways. Besides, you need as much B as possible to pay for multiple cumulative upkeep counters for Tombstone Stairwell.
As for dealing with pesky enchantments and/or artifacts just go for Nullmage Shepherd. Not only are you dealing with such things at instant speed, but you're also tapping down, which is something that cards like Mesmeric Orb love. And, it's not a one time only thing; you can do it multiple times.
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Great ability on a body! Topdeck filtering into graveyard. Definitely going into the Budget Build. The problem would be finding space for it in the Main Build. It's only downside is the hefty casting cost for filtering only 3 cards.
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I expected there to be much more graveyard interactions with this set given its heavy theme on the afterlife and graveyard matters. Again, what I'm looking for most for any of my Sidisi decks is creatures with abilities similar to the non-creature spells of the deck. Anywho, onto my Amonkhet review as far as Sidisi is concerned:
Naga Oracle - Great for the Budget Build. It would probably be swapped in for Contingency Plan for having a similar ability. However, the sacrifice may be too great. Naga Oracle costs double what Contingency Plan costs and it filters through 2 less cards. The only pro being that Naga Oracle is a creature.
Vizier of Many Faces - For those that love clones this is a great card for this deck. If you mill it, you can just embalm it if you can't wait to reanimate it. The only downside being that embalming it costs 1 more and exiling the card from the graveyard is part of the cost.
Vizier of Tumbling Sands - Costs 1 more than Kiora's Follower for the same ability. That being said, it costs 1 less than Fatestitcher. The upside being that it can be cycled and, when you do, you can untap a permanent at instant speed for it. That's definitely great because you can cycle it and later reanimate it. Definitely worth considering - possibly swapped in for Voyaging Satyr in the Main Build. If cheap, it could very easily find a home in the Budget Build.
Liliana's Mastery - Has some potential in the Zombie Build. The obvious downside being that it's not a creature and it costs 3BB. Enchantments aren't easily recoverable in this deck if it were to get milled or destroyed. That being said, it pumps zombies and basically gives you two 2/2 zombies that become 3/3 when they enter play. It's worth considering but I doubt it'll make the cut.
Lord of the Accursed - Another zombie lord that costs 3. It could be very useful when there are no other evasive tactics in play. Giving all your zombies menace when they don't have swampwalk, flying, or deathtouch can be pretty irksome for opponents. It's definitely worth considering.
Plague Belcher - What a great zombie! Its ability is along the same vein as Vengeful Dead, it's big for its casting cost, and it has built-in evasion. Definitely worth finding a slot for it.
Benefaction of Rhonas - The point of self-milling is sending creatures to the graveyard. If there's only 1 creature amongt those 5 cards and 0 enchantments, than it pretty much only drew you a creature, milled away 4 other cards, and made no tokens. So it's possible this card isn't good enough for even the Budget Build.
Nissa, Steward of Elements - Not a bad card for the Main Build. It's 3 abilities are relevant and it could be a great mana sink. The /+2\ ability is great when you want to manipulate the top deck. The <0> ability is great when combined with Mortuary. \-6/ is a pretty steep cost to untap 2 lands (granted, they're being animated into 5/5 hasty flyers) especially when Garruk Wildspeaker untaps two lands by adding loyalty counters to itself. That being said, it's still useful. Again, it suffers from the same downside as any other card being analyzed for Sidisi, Brood Tyrant: it's not a creature.
Embalmer's Tools - Definitely needs to find a way in all three builds - even if it's not a creature. It's just that damn good. It's cheap to cast and provides some insane interactions. You could mill out an opponent or mill yourself at instant speed. The zombies made can then be tapped to continue milling yourself. This gets ridiculous when combined with Seedborn Muse and Mesmeric Orb. If you're milling out an opponent with Undead Alchemist you can keep pushing the mill thanks to the zombie tokens being created. If that weren't enough, even it's first ability is potentially useful when you have Champion of Stray Souls in your graveyard. Awesome!
Throne of the God-Pharaoh - A cute card to include (possibly in the Budget Build). Suffers from not being a creature but it's got its pros. For one thing, it's easy to cast at 2. Second, when tapping down creatures to abuse cards like Gravespawn Sovereign, Embalmer's Tools, Nullmage Shepherd, Opposition, etc., you could take a huge chunk out of all your opponents' life. So it's definitely worth taking a look.
Fetid Pools - I want to avoid adding lands that come into play tapped, but this one has the double basic lands types, which is great for Cabal Coffers and Corpse Harvester. The cycling is okay, but it'd be best used before casting Splendid Reclamation.
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I think that Vizier of the Menagerie could find a home in creature heavy or good stuff sidisi lists that are looking for more value. It's card advantage, mana fixing, and top deck scoping in one nice package. The fact that its a naga is also very flavorful.
I think that Vizier of the Menagerie could find a home in creature heavy or good stuff sidisi lists that are looking for more value. It's card advantage, mana fixing, and top deck scoping in one nice package. The fact that its a naga is also very flavorful.
I like your analysis on it. Also, the fact that - as you point out - is a creature, which is a plus (and naga for the flavor!) with the ability to possibly cast creatures from the top of the deck. Unfortunately, if I cast the creature from the top of my deck, I won't be able to mill if for Sidisi's ability. So it effectively nonbos with Sidisi. I see it more as a creature for decks that care about cards being on the top of the library for shenanigans not involving sending them elsewhere (like Sidisi, Brood Tyrant likes to do).
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I cut Victimize in mine. I lost that game but it was pretty silly. I had a Vengeful Dead and Diregraf Captain with 2 Zombie tokens when I was attacked for lethal. I ended up making 7 more and sac'd them all to wreck the attacker. I was 8 damage shy but that's just milling 4 more Creatures. I can only imagine how much better it would be if I wasn't on the back heel.
In your competitive build, Akroma's Memorial seems out of place. Though you seem to give it huge praise.
I cut Victimize in mine. I lost that game but it was pretty silly. I had a Vengeful Dead and Diregraf Captain with 2 Zombie tokens when I was attacked for lethal. I ended up making 7 more and sac'd them all to wreck the attacker. I was 8 damage shy but that's just milling 4 more Creatures. I can only imagine how much better it would be if I wasn't on the back heel.
In your competitive build, Akroma's Memorial seems out of place. Though you seem to give it huge praise.
Akroma's Memorial is just too broken; flying + vigilance + haste to an army made that same turn is always game over. Sometimes giving an opponent an entire turn after I make a horde is enough for them to gang up on me and somehow find a way to eliminate me before I can swing in for the win. It's just too good. The boons alone are worth its inclusion. However, I have many ways to amass tokens at the end of turns before mine. Hm, I guess I can test the swap considering that point. Thanks for the suggestion!
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Fellow Sidisi players, the question arises of should we try to cram in Protean Hulk after it's unbanning? I think so but I don't know what to cut, I only run one 7 drop, Sheoldred.
Lol, how on Earth is Protean Hulk unbanned?! It's literally one of the most broken cards for the format . I'm gonna put this in every single deck that runs G. Prepare for it to get re-banned a couple of months from now. Get your copies before it explodes in price - like what happened with Seedborn Muse when Prophet of Kruphix was banned in commander.
EDIT:
Alright, it literally just tripled in price in tcgaplayer. Awesome...
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Hey kirby long time. Have there been any changes made to the competitive build?
S'up?
Nothing significant since the second Innistrad block. However, Embalmer's Tools are too good to not include. I'm currently contemplating what to swap out for it. I also made some slight changes to the mana base; I took out the Ravnica bounce double mana lands and put in some utility lands (Crypt of Agadeem, Minamo, School at Water's Edge, and Sequestered Stash). That has probably been the only changes to the competitive build since Eldritch Moon.
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Butcher of Malakir is too expensive for what it does. It's useful - don't get me wrong - but I hardly hardcast it. That's a slot better used for the now Protean Hulk, which has pretty much septupled in price since the unbanning. Garruk Wildspeaker was ultimately the noncreature cut for Embalmer's Tools. Untapping 2 lands while gaining loyalty counters is great (especially with the lands in the deck) but I already run land untappers. The overrun effect usually pales in comparison to all the boons the deck already provided; trample is superfluous when your horde is unblockable. Notwithstanding, it was a tough cut.
Luckily I was able to swap out some noncreatures for creatures (yay!) for Plague Belcher and Protean Hulk. The changes in lands were to make the deck more streamlined since the bounce lands come into play tapped and can set me back a land. Fetid Pools was added thanks to the interaction with Corpse Harvester (and I could always just cycle it and recover it afterwards).
Unfortunately, for being a budget build, Grimgrin, Corpse-Born and Havengul Lich have risen too much in price and can no longer be considered budget (as with what happened with Cyclonic Rift). The good news is that I was able to find suitable substitutes that fall in with Sidisi's self-milling theme. Kiora's Follower is strictly better than Aphetto Alchemist in the absence of Mesmeric Orb; so at least this change is definitely final.
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Hey there, I recently joined the forum but I've been following your budget build for a while now. I wanted to ask you something: I was at a draft and I happened to crack open a Plague Belcher and a Vizier of Many Faces. You seem to praise them in your latest notes (especially the former): do you think it is worth to find a spot for them in the budget build? And, in case of a positive response, what would you cut off for them?
Hey there, I recently joined the forum but I've been following your budget build for a while now. I wanted to ask you something: I was at a draft and I happened to crack open a Plague Belcher and a Vizier of Many Faces. You seem to praise them in your latest notes (especially the former): do you think it is worth to find a spot for them in the budget build? And, in case of a positive response, what would you cut off for them?
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Yeah, I see your point. Your opponents may have zombies as well. However, you have a combo dependent on Vengeful Dead; I don't. I don't really like Tombstone Stairwell because of the cumulative upkeep. So, as far as my deck is concerned, the only zombies in play are my own. Notwithstanding, redundance is always a good thing in EDH. So running both may still be great. However, if I find no viable swap, Vengeful Dead will be replaced with Plague Belcher.
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It's definitely a shoe-in! Not only for the reason that you mentioned but I can also mill an opponent. This card would go amazing with the Budget Build and Zombie Build; for sure it's going in there! For the Main Build it's a bit tricky since the probability of having a creature being the top card is only 33%.
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Definitely. It makes my zombies tap without needing haste. So I can essentially do it at the end of each turn and have Seedborn Muse reset my board at the beginning of each following turn. The only setback is it being an artifact. I'm not going to cut a creature for it. So what can I cut it for? I also want to test the new Liliana (Death's Majesty), who is pretty much Amonkhet's Tasigur. I don't think that Liliana's gonna make the cut. But who knows? The first two abilities are pretty useful. Not as impacting as I'd like, but pretty useful. That being said, Embalmer's Tools needs to make it in this deck!
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Hell, I want to make some minor changes to mind. Mostly cut Acidic Slime for Caustic Caterpillar. There have been a few times where I couldn't pay the full amount or I had to do other things. The other is adding Crop Rotation and Bojuka Bog - Crop because I finally have a lot of the good lands and I could then also fetch the Bog. If I add the Bog, I know conventional wisdom is to cut a spell for it, but the deck is just too damned tight. I'm thinking of skimping out and cutting a Swamp or an ETBT land or Reliquary Tower. Advice on using Bog?
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If you're gonna be milling then you can definitely add Bojuka Bog. It'd be super brutal to use before an opponent can use their graveyard or recover anything from it. If you have more than one basic Swamp then you could swap it out for the bog. If you're not drawing a lot of cards, then you can take out Reliquary Tower; your graveyard is supposed to be your hand, anyways. Besides, you need as much B as possible to pay for multiple cumulative upkeep counters for Tombstone Stairwell.
As for dealing with pesky enchantments and/or artifacts just go for Nullmage Shepherd. Not only are you dealing with such things at instant speed, but you're also tapping down, which is something that cards like Mesmeric Orb love. And, it's not a one time only thing; you can do it multiple times.
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Great ability on a body! Topdeck filtering into graveyard. Definitely going into the Budget Build. The problem would be finding space for it in the Main Build. It's only downside is the hefty casting cost for filtering only 3 cards.
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True; thanks for pointing that out!
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I like your analysis on it. Also, the fact that - as you point out - is a creature, which is a plus (and naga for the flavor!) with the ability to possibly cast creatures from the top of the deck. Unfortunately, if I cast the creature from the top of my deck, I won't be able to mill if for Sidisi's ability. So it effectively nonbos with Sidisi. I see it more as a creature for decks that care about cards being on the top of the library for shenanigans not involving sending them elsewhere (like Sidisi, Brood Tyrant likes to do).
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I imagined it would be! I'm still contemplating what cut to make for it. I'm definitely not going to cut a creature for it, that's for sure.
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In your competitive build, Akroma's Memorial seems out of place. Though you seem to give it huge praise.
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Akroma's Memorial is just too broken; flying + vigilance + haste to an army made that same turn is always game over. Sometimes giving an opponent an entire turn after I make a horde is enough for them to gang up on me and somehow find a way to eliminate me before I can swing in for the win. It's just too good. The boons alone are worth its inclusion. However, I have many ways to amass tokens at the end of turns before mine. Hm, I guess I can test the swap considering that point. Thanks for the suggestion!
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Also, I do hope that Leovold rots in banned town.
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EDIT:
Alright, it literally just tripled in price in tcgaplayer. Awesome...
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S'up?
Nothing significant since the second Innistrad block. However, Embalmer's Tools are too good to not include. I'm currently contemplating what to swap out for it. I also made some slight changes to the mana base; I took out the Ravnica bounce double mana lands and put in some utility lands (Crypt of Agadeem, Minamo, School at Water's Edge, and Sequestered Stash). That has probably been the only changes to the competitive build since Eldritch Moon.
Currently I'm considering cutting out Garruk Wildspeaker for Embalmer's Tools and Butcher of Malakir for Protean Hulk. I'd have to test those changes before making them official, though.
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7 Butcher of Malakir
4 Garruk Wildspeaker
7 Protean Hulk
2 Embalmer's Tools
Garruk Wildspeaker was ultimately the noncreature cut for Embalmer's Tools. Untapping 2 lands while gaining loyalty counters is great (especially with the lands in the deck) but I already run land untappers. The overrun effect usually pales in comparison to all the boons the deck already provided; trample is superfluous when your horde is unblockable. Notwithstanding, it was a tough cut.
4 Garruk Wildspeaker
4 Empty the Pits
1 Dark Salvation
0 Dimir Aqueduct
0 Golgari Rot Farm
0 Simic Growth Chamber
0 Reliquary Tower
2 Embalmer's Tools
3 Plague Belcher
7 Protean Hulk
0 Island
0 Swamp
0 Forest
0 Fetid Pools
Luckily I was able to swap out some noncreatures for creatures (yay!) for Plague Belcher and Protean Hulk. The changes in lands were to make the deck more streamlined since the bounce lands come into play tapped and can set me back a land. Fetid Pools was added thanks to the interaction with Corpse Harvester (and I could always just cycle it and recover it afterwards).
5 Grimgrin, Corpse-Born
5 Havengul Lich
1 Traverse the Ulvenwald
2 Aphetto Alchemist
6 Baloth Null
2 Embalmer's Tools
5 Sultai Soothsayer
3 Lord of the Accursed
2 Kiora's Follower
4 Naga Oracle
Unfortunately, for being a budget build, Grimgrin, Corpse-Born and Havengul Lich have risen too much in price and can no longer be considered budget (as with what happened with Cyclonic Rift). The good news is that I was able to find suitable substitutes that fall in with Sidisi's self-milling theme.
Kiora's Follower is strictly better than Aphetto Alchemist in the absence of Mesmeric Orb; so at least this change is definitely final.
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Thanks, keep up the awesome work!
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If I had to make a cut in the Budget Build to add Plague Belcher (I'm assuming you run the deck card-for-card), I'd probably swap out Vessel of Nascency for it. Splendid Reclamation is slowly creeping up in price; if it stays up there after rotation (like Cyclonic Rift, Havengul Lich, and Grimgrin, Corpse-Born) then that would be the slot for Vizier of Many Faces.
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