I found Sidisi to be the better commander but Gravetide is awesome in the 99 cards. Gravetide herself is a fun commander but I think less powerful than Sidisi.
I tried her out on friday and lost to a Xenagos-pumped, trampling Grunn, the Lonely King in turn 6 or 7, right after I got Muldrotha out. With Sidisi I would've had at least a few zombies or other shenanigans to defend myself. Muldrotha is too slow for that.
Might get her an own deck if brawl become a thing around me, but for now I decided to kick out Pharika's Mender. The only reason I had that card was to get back enchantments, but Muldrotha, the Gravetide can do that too + a bit more.
Also now I have the option to use her as commander if I meet weaker decks as this deck is for certain not built around her.
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EDH BGU Sidisi, Brood Tyrant - Lurking Zombies. GBG Sapling of Colfenor - Forest Growth and Destruction. RWU Zedruu the Greathearted - Blinking and trading. GWB Teneb the Harvester - Enchantments, you lose life I gain life. RRR Neheb the Eternal - Ping people for mana burn.
Hi! Great post dude, I followed this to build my first EDH deck, and now the guys hate me (I'm so glad). Would you consider to update the budget version any time soon? I'm currently using that, but with one or two upgrades and personal modifications (added Triumph of the Hordes for a surprise "I win" turn and Altar of the Brood to use with Undead Alchemist in games with a lot of players for massive zombie generation and lot's of milling and hate) it works, but I think it's only because we play casual games and that's it. It would be useful if you update the prices too, cards like Akroma's Memorial or Cabal Coffers are not 20 dollars cards anymore.
Anyways, I love your content, keep it that way!
Ps: I got my hands on aPhyrexian Altar yesterday, now my most expensive card, any idea on how to use it with Sidisi?
@KitsuLeif:
I concur that Sidisi is still the best general for this kind of deck because there are many different strategies rather than just reanimation and recurring. Muldrotha is definitely solid as one of the 99 so it's definitely an autoinclude.
@Swaider:
It'd be interesting to see a brawl deck with Muldrotha at the helm.
@Belakor:
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I've just had lots of success with the Budget Build so I don't really look much into it as far as changes are concerned. I usually consider that when dealing with newly released sets to see if anything could be swapped into it; I don't tend to look back into older sets since I feel it's already pretty tight. Altar of the Brood is between $2-$3 which is why I haven't considered them so much for the Budget Build. If anything, I want to try and make the Budget Build even cheaper. But it's definitely worth mentioning.
As for the updates in prices, I have to get on that. Akroma's Memorial has lowered in price but Cabal Coffers is now almost twice as much (WotC should've just reprinted it in Dominaria). It's been awhile since I updated prices and other information, although I do try to keep the lists updated as often as I make changes to the decks. For the moment, I haven't had time to apply the changes due to Dominaria, but hopefully I'll get to that soon.
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With the release of Muldrotha, the Gravetide, I don't have to worry too much about recovering noncreature cards. So I don't have to worry about tutoring artifacts with Tezzeret the Seeker so that they're not milled away. I can just recklessly self-mill until I get what I want in the graveyard. Granted, Tezzeret also ramps each turn by fetching for Sol Ring and the artifact lands. So I'm not too sure if Final Parting would be a good swap for Tezzeret the Seeker. That being said, it is worth testing, though.
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I've had some great success with this and Undead Alchemist, especially in multi player games where you're almost guaranteed a trigger. Throw in Panharmonicon or a Doubling Season or the like...
I would have to see what to cut for Altar of the Brood. I'm not doubting how good it is or would be in the deck. The main problem is that it's not a creature and I'm really trying to maximize the amount of creature cards in the deck.
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I found myself only using Teferi for the pseudo draw and the untapping. But sometimes it was winmore with the untapping. I was really looking for a slot for Final Parting and I wasn't going to take out Jarad's Orders because it's still a very useful card in the deck. Even more so when I have three creatures that can reanimate other creatures (Hell's Caretaker, Havengul Lich, and Muldrotha, the Gravetide). I took out Chromatic Lantern because with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth the newly added fetchlands will still tap for mana - even if it is only B. Either way, since I took out 7 colorless lands I don't need Chromatic Lantern that much.
I've been really swamped with work and college so I haven't really been able to test all that much. People are still recovering from the hurricane so I haven't been able to meet up with buddies to play. The economic crisis has also closed many of the LGSs I frequented. So I'm pretty much at the mercy of Cockatrice. Hopefully in the summer I'll have some more time for MtG.
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I'm giving Commander a go and I came up with this list. Kirkby very graciously gave me some valuable feedback on it. Thought I'd share it here as well. I'm probably going to have to dump Cavern of Souls, just too expensive.
I would say that Kalitas is better than Diregraf Colossus since you're playing multiplayer. That means more opponents have creatures dying. Not only that, but they're exiled, too. So you eliminate threats all around the table while making zombie tokens in the process.
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Great, thanks. And they don't both trigger apparently.
And also wanted to say I hope things are getting better on Puerto Rico. Didn't realise that's where you're from.
Yeah, Kalitas doesn't nonbo with Undead Alchemist since the creature to graveyard trigger for the alchemist is when they're milled away. So it's not gonna care if they die or get exiled from the hand or battlefield.
Puerto Rico's economy's still one of the worst on the planet but at least I've had somewhat stable power, water, and communications. Lots of other places on the island are still worse off than my area is. The next hurricane season is upon us so that's something I'm not looking forward to again, either, lol. Gotta love that climate change .
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Whisper, Blood Liturgist seems like a natural inclusion in this deck. It has great synergy with the tokens aspect of the deck, can help recycle ETB/Dies triggers, and adds another layer of Reanimation to the deck.
I personally love the Zombie build of the deck, but the competitive version looks really good too. Curious, but why no Deathrite Shaman? Is it simply a matter of deck space? It seems too good a card to pass up for you.
Yeah, I hope that you guys survive this hurricane season better than last... Seriously.
Yes. In any case, just say that you're casting the creature for 0. It also works with Havengul Lich. You pay 1 for its ability and then pay 0 to cast any creature card in your graveyard if you choose "zombie" with Arcane Adaptation.
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Whisper, Blood Liturgist seems like a natural inclusion in this deck. It has great synergy with the tokens aspect of the deck, can help recycle ETB/Dies triggers, and adds another layer of Reanimation to the deck.
I personally love the Zombie build of the deck, but the competitive version looks really good too. Curious, but why no Deathrite Shaman? Is it simply a matter of deck space? It seems too good a card to pass up for you.
Yeah, I hope that you guys survive this hurricane season better than last... Seriously.
Deathrite Shaman isn't a card I really considered for this deck because I'm not really milling other players and I don't want to exile things from my own graveyard. I don't really see how it would be so beneficial in the deck to make swaps. So it's also a matter of space.
Thanks, I hope hurricane season is better. Honestly, things are to a point that even a category 3 or even category 2 hurricane will do a lot of damage. Soil is still loose, roads are still ruined, and there's still a considerable amount of debris. So the winds and rains from even a small hurricane could be pretty devastating. But hopefully it doesn't come to that. There are still people without electricity on the island. So yeah...
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At least you have toilet paper. Unless it's run out.
Anyway, what would you remove for Whisper, Blood Liturgist in my list? Remove something other than a creature? I've also jammed in an Elixir of Immortality. This is my current one:
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I tried her out on friday and lost to a Xenagos-pumped, trampling Grunn, the Lonely King in turn 6 or 7, right after I got Muldrotha out. With Sidisi I would've had at least a few zombies or other shenanigans to defend myself. Muldrotha is too slow for that.
Also now I have the option to use her as commander if I meet weaker decks as this deck is for certain not built around her.
BGU Sidisi, Brood Tyrant - Lurking Zombies.
GBG Sapling of Colfenor - Forest Growth and Destruction.
RWU Zedruu the Greathearted - Blinking and trading.
GWB Teneb the Harvester - Enchantments, you lose life I gain life.
RRR Neheb the Eternal - Ping people for mana burn.
Anyways, I love your content, keep it that way!
Ps: I got my hands on aPhyrexian Altar yesterday, now my most expensive card, any idea on how to use it with Sidisi?
I concur that Sidisi is still the best general for this kind of deck because there are many different strategies rather than just reanimation and recurring. Muldrotha is definitely solid as one of the 99 so it's definitely an autoinclude.
@Swaider:
It'd be interesting to see a brawl deck with Muldrotha at the helm.
@Belakor:
Thanks! Glad it was helpful! And welcome to the forums!
I've just had lots of success with the Budget Build so I don't really look much into it as far as changes are concerned. I usually consider that when dealing with newly released sets to see if anything could be swapped into it; I don't tend to look back into older sets since I feel it's already pretty tight. Altar of the Brood is between $2-$3 which is why I haven't considered them so much for the Budget Build. If anything, I want to try and make the Budget Build even cheaper. But it's definitely worth mentioning.
As for the updates in prices, I have to get on that. Akroma's Memorial has lowered in price but Cabal Coffers is now almost twice as much (WotC should've just reprinted it in Dominaria). It's been awhile since I updated prices and other information, although I do try to keep the lists updated as often as I make changes to the decks. For the moment, I haven't had time to apply the changes due to Dominaria, but hopefully I'll get to that soon.
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I've had some great success with this and Undead Alchemist, especially in multi player games where you're almost guaranteed a trigger. Throw in Panharmonicon or a Doubling Season or the like...
You amass a horde of zombies quite quickly.
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4 Hell's Caretaker
3 Chromatic Lantern
6 Teferi, Temporal Archmage
0 Alchemist's Refuge
0 Ancient Tomb
0 Darksteel Citadel
0 Nephalia Drownyard
0 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
0 Reliquary Tower
0 Temple of the False God
4 Whisper, Blood Liturgist
6 Muldrotha, the Gravetide
5 Final Parting
0 Dryad Arbor
0 Misty Rainforest
0 Verdant Catacombs
0 Polluted Delta
0 Bloodstained Mire
0 Flooded Strand
0 Windswept Heath
I found myself only using Teferi for the pseudo draw and the untapping. But sometimes it was winmore with the untapping. I was really looking for a slot for Final Parting and I wasn't going to take out Jarad's Orders because it's still a very useful card in the deck. Even more so when I have three creatures that can reanimate other creatures (Hell's Caretaker, Havengul Lich, and Muldrotha, the Gravetide). I took out Chromatic Lantern because with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth the newly added fetchlands will still tap for mana - even if it is only B. Either way, since I took out 7 colorless lands I don't need Chromatic Lantern that much.
I've been really swamped with work and college so I haven't really been able to test all that much. People are still recovering from the hurricane so I haven't been able to meet up with buddies to play. The economic crisis has also closed many of the LGSs I frequented. So I'm pretty much at the mercy of Cockatrice. Hopefully in the summer I'll have some more time for MtG.
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This is the list:
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Cryptbreaker
1 Gravecrawler
1 Relentless Dead
1 Cemetery Reaper
1 Death Baron
1 Diregraf Captain
1 Diregraf Colossus
1 Lich Lord of Unx
1 Lord of the Accursed
1 Lord of the Undead
1 Plague Belcher
1 Zombie Master
1 Filth
1 Gisa and Geralf
1 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
1 Risen Executioner
1 Sidisi, Brood Tyrant
1 Undead Alchemist
1 Undead Warchief
1 Corpse Connoisseur
1 Ghoulcaller Gisa
1 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
1 Grimgrin, Corpse-Born
1 Havengul Lich
1 Noxious Ghoul
1 Phyrexian Delver
1 Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1 Taigam, Sidisi's Hand
1 The Scarab God
1 Vengeful Pharao
1 Grave Titan
1 Gravespawn Sovereign
1 Gempalm Polluter
1 Muldrotha, the Gravetide
1 Dark Salvation
1 Dread Summons
1 Final Parting
1 Life from the Loam
1 Buried Alive
1 Victimize
1 Dread Return
1 Jarad's Orders
1 Splendid Reclamation
1 Zombie Apocalypse
1 Living Death
Enchantments: 8
1 Journey to Eternity
1 Sultai Ascendancy
1 Endless Ranks of the Dead
1 Path of Discovery
1 Arcane Adaptation
1 Parallel Lives
1 Deadbridge Chant
1 Rooftop Storm
Instants: 3
1 Cyclonic Rift
1 Dark Bargain
1 Grisly Salvage
Planeswalkers: 2
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Liliana, Death's Majesty
Artifact: 6
1 Altar of the Brood
1 Embalmer's Tools
1 Sol Ring
1 Mesmeric Orb
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Coat of Arms
1 Academy Ruins
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Command Tower
1 Dismal Backwater
1 Drowned Catacomb
1 Evolving Wilds
2 Forest
2 Island
1 Golgari Guildgate
1 Jungle Hollow
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Mana Confluence
12 Swamp
1 Opulent Palace
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Swamp
1 Temple of Deceit
1 Temple of Malady
1 Temple of Mystery
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Unholy Grotto
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Watery Grave
1 Woodland Cemetery
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And also wanted to say I hope things are getting better on Puerto Rico. Didn't realise that's where you're from.
Yeah, Kalitas doesn't nonbo with Undead Alchemist since the creature to graveyard trigger for the alchemist is when they're milled away. So it's not gonna care if they die or get exiled from the hand or battlefield.
Puerto Rico's economy's still one of the worst on the planet but at least I've had somewhat stable power, water, and communications. Lots of other places on the island are still worse off than my area is. The next hurricane season is upon us so that's something I'm not looking forward to again, either, lol. Gotta love that climate change .
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It hasn't brought the price entirely down but it used to be at around $80 and now it's closer to $40.
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I personally love the Zombie build of the deck, but the competitive version looks really good too. Curious, but why no Deathrite Shaman? Is it simply a matter of deck space? It seems too good a card to pass up for you.
Yeah, I hope that you guys survive this hurricane season better than last... Seriously.
UB Dralnu, Lich Lord
RBW [Primer]-Kaalia of the Vast
BUG [Primer]-Tasigur, the Golden Fang
GWU [Primer]-Arcades, the Strategist
WUB Primer-Aminatou, the Fateshifter
UBR Nicol Bolas, the Ravager
Yes. In any case, just say that you're casting the creature for 0. It also works with Havengul Lich. You pay 1 for its ability and then pay 0 to cast any creature card in your graveyard if you choose "zombie" with Arcane Adaptation.
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Whisper, Blood Liturgist is definitely a great card to consider and its omission was somewhat of an oversight. It's practically a better Hell's Caretaker.
Deathrite Shaman isn't a card I really considered for this deck because I'm not really milling other players and I don't want to exile things from my own graveyard. I don't really see how it would be so beneficial in the deck to make swaps. So it's also a matter of space.
Thanks, I hope hurricane season is better. Honestly, things are to a point that even a category 3 or even category 2 hurricane will do a lot of damage. Soil is still loose, roads are still ruined, and there's still a considerable amount of debris. So the winds and rains from even a small hurricane could be pretty devastating. But hopefully it doesn't come to that. There are still people without electricity on the island. So yeah...
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Anyway, what would you remove for Whisper, Blood Liturgist in my list? Remove something other than a creature? I've also jammed in an Elixir of Immortality. This is my current one:
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Cryptbreaker
1 Gravecrawler
1 Relentless Dead
1 Cemetery Reaper
1 Death Baron
1 Diregraf Captain
1 Diregraf Colossus
1 Lich Lord of Unx
1 Lord of the Accursed
1 Lord of the Undead
1 Plague Belcher
1 Zombie Master
1 Filth
1 Gisa and Geralf
1 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
1 Risen Executioner
1 Sidisi, Brood Tyrant
1 Undead Alchemist
1 Undead Warchief
1 Corpse Connoisseur
1 Ghoulcaller Gisa
1 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
1 Grimgrin, Corpse-Born
1 Havengul Lich
1 Noxious Ghoul
1 Phyrexian Delver
1 Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1 Taigam, Sidisi's Hand
1 The Scarab God
1 Vengeful Pharao
1 Grave Titan
1 Gravespawn Sovereign
1 Gempalm Polluter
1 Muldrotha, the Gravetide
1 Dread Summons
1 Final Parting
1 Life from the Loam
1 Buried Alive
1 Victimize
1 Dread Return
1 Jarad's Orders
1 Splendid Reclamation
1 Zombie Apocalypse
Enchantments: 8
1 Journey to Eternity
1 Sultai Ascendancy
1 Endless Ranks of the Dead
1 Path of Discovery
1 Arcane Adaptation
1 Parallel Lives
1 Deadbridge Chant
1 Rooftop Storm
Instants: 3
1 Cyclonic Rift
1 Dark Bargain
1 Grisly Salvage
Planeswalkers: 2
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Liliana, Death's Majesty
Artifact: 7
1 Altar of the Brood
1 Elixir of Immortality
1 Embalmer's Tools
1 Sol Ring
1 Mesmeric Orb
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Coat of Arms
Land: 36
1 Academy Ruins
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Command Tower
1 Dismal Backwater
1 Drowned Catacomb
1 Evolving Wilds
2 Forest
1 Golgari Guildgate
2 Island
1 Jungle Hollow
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Mana Confluence
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1 Opulent Palace
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Polluted Delta
1 Rogue's Passage
1 Sunken Hollow
6 Swamp
1 Temple of Deceit
1 Temple of Malady
1 Temple of Mystery
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Unholy Grotto
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Watery Grave
1 Woodland Cemetery
1 Yavimaya Coast
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If you're just looking for a cheap substitute for Phyrexian Altar you could use Ashnod's Altar.
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