A thread discussing the cycle of "spike" cards (Spike Weaver, Spike Feeder etc...) inspired me and my brother to quickly rebuild his Rafiq list. The main idea came from a combo of Spike Feeder + Archangel of Thune + Sage of Hours which produces "infinite" +1/+1 counters for your creatures (excluding Feeder) and "infinite" life which leads to "infinite" extra turns off the Sage.
I've included voltron elements for Rafiq and a couple other combos so the deck isn't entirely dependent on the one combo (Jester's Cap Archangel or Feeder and its done).
Ajani, Mentor of Heroes seems like he would fit the bill and I guess would also give you that voltron option.
Primeval Bounty seems like it could add up to a good number of counters for a number of things.
I cracked an Ajani in the same box I got the Sage and I keep pulling my Bounty from other decks. They are good options to get value out of the Sage if I can't piece together the combo.
Sage of Hours, The Chain Veil, and Ajani, Mentor of Heroes is another one that was pointed out to me the other day. The chain veil is super narrow for this though considering your list though.... I think the Vorel direction will be the stronger add. Just thought I would mention it.
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Sage of Hours, The Chain Veil, and Ajani, Mentor of Heroes is another one that was pointed out to me the other day. The chain veil is super narrow for this though considering your list though.... I think the Vorel direction will be the stronger add. Just thought I would mention it.
Yeah, Veil is to narrow. Honestly, Vorel is a little narrow for the list but Ajani is so good for the list and Vorel is so good with Ajani...I can live with that.
Craterhoof Behemoth doesn't seem like he fits this list since you are more or less not a token build. I think there are better buffs for voltron decks and it seems like following up Avenger is the only really good time for him.
Future Sight feels like it could be cycled for a different form of card draw. It is possible to use it as a combo outlet with Sensei's Divining Top + a cost recuction effect like Helm of Awakening but seeing that I dont see a means to make top free I think you could cut the sight. I like future sight more in decks that just tear through cards and dont care what sort of timing they might have with them. I see a lot of answers and enough expensive things that I feel like it would be difficult in here.
Ponder / Preordain it seems odd to see both of these but not brainstorm. I also feel like I like Impulse more than I do Ponder but I guess I just haven't ever been a huge fan of Ponder / Preordain in multiplayer EDH.
Overall I feel like you are a little heavy on ramp and a little light on draw. I could see cutting a few ramp spots for draw.
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Craterhoof Behemoth doesn't seem like he fits this list since you are more or less not a token build. I think there are better buffs for voltron decks and it seems like following up Avenger is the only really good time for him.
Future Sight feels like it could be cycled for a different form of card draw. It is possible to use it as a combo outlet with Sensei's Divining Top + a cost recuction effect like Helm of Awakening but seeing that I dont see a means to make top free I think you could cut the sight. I like future sight more in decks that just tear through cards and dont care what sort of timing they might have with them. I see a lot of answers and enough expensive things that I feel like it would be difficult in here.
Ponder / Preordain it seems odd to see both of these but not brainstorm. I also feel like I like Impulse more than I do Ponder but I guess I just haven't ever been a huge fan of Ponder / Preordain in multiplayer EDH.
Overall I feel like you are a little heavy on ramp and a little light on draw. I could see cutting a few ramp spots for draw.
Brainstorm is in there. I just threw Crater/Avenger in there as an alt win con because I was worried about the fragility of depending on 3 or 4 cards to win. Vorel + Ajani solves that. So those two can go for sure.
I love the cantrips. They really help in all my blue decks. They help make sure you don't get mana screwed. They help filter to the key cards. Generally they tend to help with the consistency of the deck.
I'm going to test Future Sight because it's kind of my personal obsession right now. But I can see dropping it.
I've included voltron elements for Rafiq and a couple other combos so the deck isn't entirely dependent on the one combo (Jester's Cap Archangel or Feeder and its done).
1 Rafiq of the Many
Creatures (14):
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Grand Abolisher
1 Eternal Witness
1 Sage of Hours
1 Spike Feeder
1 Oracle of Mul Daya
1 Vorel of the Hull Clade
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
1 Archangel of Thune
1 Prophet of Kruphix
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1 Deadeye Navigator
1 Palinchron
Planeswalker:
1 Ajani, Mentor of Heroes
Artifacts (13):
1 Sensei's Diving Top
1 Sol Ring
1 Simic Signet
1 Azorius Signet
1 Selesnya Signet
1 Fellwar Stone
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Thran Dynamo
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Swiftfoot Boots
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Sylvan Library
1 Rhystic Study
1 Leyline of Anticipation
1 Future Sight
1 Finest Hour
Instants (20):
1 Pact of Negation
1 Swan Song
1 Mana Drain
1 Hinder
1 Spell Crumple
1 Force of Will
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Worldly Tutor
1 Muddle the Mixture
1 Eladamri's Call
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Path to Exile
1 Cyclonic Rift
1 Oblation
1 Krosan Grip
1 Brainstorm
1 Blue Sun's Zenith
1 Sphinx's Revelation
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Ponder
1 Preordain
1 Recurring Insight
1 Time Spiral
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Tooth and Nail
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Regrowth
1 Farseek
1 Skyshroud Claim
1 Ranger's Path
1 Supreme Verdict
Not posting the land base since this is just brainstorming but it would include the duals, shocks, fetches, Homeward Path etc...
Suggestions welcome.
EDH Decks:
WUBOloro, Combo ControlWUB
UBOona Reanimator ComboUB
BRGProssh, Eater of the Blue MageBRG
UBRGrixis StormUBR
Rebuilding Jenara (stealyourstuff.dec)
Pauper Deck:
UBInspired SirenUB
Primeval Bounty seems like it could add up to a good number of counters for a number of things.
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I cracked an Ajani in the same box I got the Sage and I keep pulling my Bounty from other decks. They are good options to get value out of the Sage if I can't piece together the combo.
EDH Decks:
WUBOloro, Combo ControlWUB
UBOona Reanimator ComboUB
BRGProssh, Eater of the Blue MageBRG
UBRGrixis StormUBR
Rebuilding Jenara (stealyourstuff.dec)
Pauper Deck:
UBInspired SirenUB
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[Modern] Allies
Yeah...now I need to find two cuts...
That Ajani has so much value for this list. You can reset Glen, help make Rafiq a shorter clock, filter through deck for the creatures you need...
EDH Decks:
WUBOloro, Combo ControlWUB
UBOona Reanimator ComboUB
BRGProssh, Eater of the Blue MageBRG
UBRGrixis StormUBR
Rebuilding Jenara (stealyourstuff.dec)
Pauper Deck:
UBInspired SirenUB
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[Modern] Allies
Yeah, Veil is to narrow. Honestly, Vorel is a little narrow for the list but Ajani is so good for the list and Vorel is so good with Ajani...I can live with that.
What I really want to find room for now is Eternal Witness and Regrowth. Time Spiral is pretty much my only recursion. Maybe also Harmonize and/or Greater Good in the card draw package.
EDH Decks:
WUBOloro, Combo ControlWUB
UBOona Reanimator ComboUB
BRGProssh, Eater of the Blue MageBRG
UBRGrixis StormUBR
Rebuilding Jenara (stealyourstuff.dec)
Pauper Deck:
UBInspired SirenUB
Future Sight feels like it could be cycled for a different form of card draw. It is possible to use it as a combo outlet with Sensei's Divining Top + a cost recuction effect like Helm of Awakening but seeing that I dont see a means to make top free I think you could cut the sight. I like future sight more in decks that just tear through cards and dont care what sort of timing they might have with them. I see a lot of answers and enough expensive things that I feel like it would be difficult in here.
Ponder / Preordain it seems odd to see both of these but not brainstorm. I also feel like I like Impulse more than I do Ponder but I guess I just haven't ever been a huge fan of Ponder / Preordain in multiplayer EDH.
Overall I feel like you are a little heavy on ramp and a little light on draw. I could see cutting a few ramp spots for draw.
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Brainstorm is in there. I just threw Crater/Avenger in there as an alt win con because I was worried about the fragility of depending on 3 or 4 cards to win. Vorel + Ajani solves that. So those two can go for sure.
I love the cantrips. They really help in all my blue decks. They help make sure you don't get mana screwed. They help filter to the key cards. Generally they tend to help with the consistency of the deck.
I'm going to test Future Sight because it's kind of my personal obsession right now. But I can see dropping it.
EDH Decks:
WUBOloro, Combo ControlWUB
UBOona Reanimator ComboUB
BRGProssh, Eater of the Blue MageBRG
UBRGrixis StormUBR
Rebuilding Jenara (stealyourstuff.dec)
Pauper Deck:
UBInspired SirenUB