I had rager but I replaced with Pain Seer. Mulldrifter is worth the extra mana simply because you can look to draw 4-6 cards as opposed to 2-3. This is another example of why it's hard to critique others without Sneak Attack though, Mulldrifter coming down off it can honestly end up being more impactful than a tutor since a lot of the times Marchesa is just looking to win by pushing body count.
@tdkb: I used to run Wheel of Fortune, but I eventually dropped it for Necropotence, as it's more easily reusable and serves a dual function of lowering life when necessary.
@Decimator1: I run both High Market and Miren. I do like the free activation from the former, but I can also see the bigger life gain from the latter being useful. Is your manabase too tight to justify running them together? I rarely have mana problems, personally, so I have some wiggle room in my colorless utility land suite. My list generally contains anywhere between 4-6 colorless lands, depending on whether or not I have Volrath's Stronghold and/or Academy Ruins in the deck at any given moment.
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EDH: B Chainer, Dementia Master B | UG Edric, Spymaster of Trest UG | WRG Marath, Will of the Wild WRG | UBR Marchesa, the Black Rose UBR | UBG Tasigur, the Golden Fang UBG
Modern: WBG Abzan Company WBG | UBR Grixis Delver and/or Twin UBR | U Merfolk U
WBG Anafenza, the Foremost WBG WUR Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR
WUBRG Horde of Notions WUBRG WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon WUBRG URG Maelstrom Wanderer URG UBG Damia, Sage of Stone UBG WUG Roon of the Hidden Realm WUG WUG Rafiq of the Many WUG WUG Deveri, Empyrial Tactician WUG BRG Prossh, Skyraider of Kher BRG WBG Karador, Ghost Chieftain WBG UBR Nekusar, the Mind Razer UBR WBR Kaalia of the Vast WBR UG Prime Speaker Zegana UG UG Edric, Spymaster of Trest UG WB Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter WB WU Grand Arbiter Augustin IV WU
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
tdkb...I'm putting one together right now. Just been waiting on some key pieces for it in the mail. As soon as I'm able to, I'll put up a decklist. It's themed around theft w/ stuff like Insurrection, Mass Polymorph, etc.
I tried Infect but... people knowing you're playing it like that tend to get you killed faster. Aiming to cast a mass-destruction spell out of nowhere leaves me ignored, even if I have played the same group of people many times. :))
I did a ArcheomancerAct of Treason redundant build and it just ended up gimmicky, not offensive enough and not enough substantial instant speed interaction. Rune's build is honestly the best way to go about it and you just splash meta cards. I know I'd play more counter bodies if combo was more predominant in my meta.
The only other way I've seen that I liked was the modular build. I forget where it was now but building around the modular keyword can be incredibly powerful. The modular creatures always die with one or more +1/+1 counters on them so marchesa brings them back. In addition you get the separate modular trigger so you can also move the counters to another target creature when they die. So your guys just keep building on each other until your board is totally overwhelming.
I still like rune's build better which is why I'm playing with it but the modular way definitely seemed respectable.
The modular build is pretty fun to play, if anyone is interested my list and DirkGently list are built that way.
Also for a build closer to rune's I've been considering cutting Rune-Scarred Demon for Sidisi, Undead Vizier for the overall lower mana cost. Anybody else doing a similar swap or keeping demon over Sidisi?
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
The Internet alerted me to the fact that Crypt Angel exists today. Gonna see about running it in place of Preyseizer Dragon, as the dragon has not done too much work for me. Either the angel or Olivia Voldaren.
Olivia is pretty cool if you slow it down a bit and splash the control. I used to love her and had the added bonus of seeing a few vampires in one of my metas.
The Internet alerted me to the fact that Crypt Angel exists today.
I tried Crypt Angel awhile ago. She's a neat critter, but she's usually a first cut if the list starts getting tight. That said, she makes for a super good speed bump against aggressive Wx commanders.
They both work well, sorcerer gives us an early answer to some oppressive generals, and an evasive beater later in the game. Bob is right at home, between him and pain seer we have double the chances of that awesome synergy. If they print one more psuedo-bob we might be looking at a pretty consistent card engine in the little wizards.
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Is Contagion Engine worth a slot in this deck? Seems like it would work well to neuter opponent creatures as well as to boost your own, doing double duty. Since the ability is instant speed, you declare attacks to get counters, then trigger the engine before combat damage applies. Also works great with a card like Sage of Fables. I've put it in my deck, but haven't actually drawn/played the card yet. Curious if anyone else has tested it.
It could work, but I don't run nearly enough ramp in my build to be using it more than once, in a more late game build I see it as a good attrition tool, especially if you run Necroskitter.
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Hello, love your list!! I'm running it (minus imperial recruiter and duals) and I'm not only winning, but having a lot of fun!
Although speaking of the complete opposite of fun, has anyone considered magus of the moon? Once sneak attack is in play, this is a mana fix and lockout card all in one. Also, with our crapload of sac outlets, if we feel like we need the rest of our colors again, it's easy to get rid of. He is also tutorable by imperial recruiter, and can be sneaked into play. Having him even for just one turn for a game winning alpha strike can prevent shenanigans as well.
Locking people into red takes out nearly all enchantment hate, and leaves only burn and a few "destroy all" effects as the only available removal in the game. Which we kind of don't give a rat's butthole about because of dethrone. Sorry in advance if this has already been brought up. I just don't see many basic lands when I play multiplayer, so that card just came into mind.
@yujipooji Hey! I play Marchesa too and am from the Philippines as well. Magus of the Moon will be a metagame call, depending on how well-tuned your local EDH circle's decklists are and how many of them are tri-color Besides, it doesn't matter if you yourself are casting Jokulhaups and Obliterate back-to-back without losing your army.
Marchesa can be made viable for French, I've seen some lists in mtgtop8.com
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URXSurf's Up, Mizz Magnus!XRU
URGWKynaios and Tiro's Multiplayer MenagerieWGRU
RGWMayael the AnimaRGW
UBRMarchesa, the Black RoseUBR
Modern Decks
RGWNaya BurnRGW
@Decimator1: I run both High Market and Miren. I do like the free activation from the former, but I can also see the bigger life gain from the latter being useful. Is your manabase too tight to justify running them together? I rarely have mana problems, personally, so I have some wiggle room in my colorless utility land suite. My list generally contains anywhere between 4-6 colorless lands, depending on whether or not I have Volrath's Stronghold and/or Academy Ruins in the deck at any given moment.
B Chainer, Dementia Master B | UG Edric, Spymaster of Trest UG | WRG Marath, Will of the Wild WRG | UBR Marchesa, the Black Rose UBR | UBG Tasigur, the Golden Fang UBG
Modern:
WBG Abzan Company WBG | UBR Grixis Delver and/or Twin UBR | U Merfolk U
WBG Anafenza, the Foremost WBG
WUR Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR
WUBRG Horde of Notions WUBRG
WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon WUBRG
URG Maelstrom Wanderer URG
UBG Damia, Sage of Stone UBG
WUG Roon of the Hidden Realm WUG
WUG Rafiq of the Many WUG
WUG Deveri, Empyrial Tactician WUG
BRG Prossh, Skyraider of Kher BRG
WBG Karador, Ghost Chieftain WBG
UBR Nekusar, the Mind Razer UBR
WBR Kaalia of the Vast WBR
UG Prime Speaker Zegana UG
UG Edric, Spymaster of Trest UG
WB Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter WB
WU Grand Arbiter Augustin IV WU
Cards testing in flex spots:
Silumgar Sorcerer
Dark Confidant
Profaner of the Dead over Chaos Warp
Draft it Here!
UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
tdkb...I'm putting one together right now. Just been waiting on some key pieces for it in the mail. As soon as I'm able to, I'll put up a decklist. It's themed around theft w/ stuff like Insurrection, Mass Polymorph, etc.
URXSurf's Up, Mizz Magnus!XRU
URGWKynaios and Tiro's Multiplayer MenagerieWGRU
I still like rune's build better which is why I'm playing with it but the modular way definitely seemed respectable.
Also for a build closer to rune's I've been considering cutting Rune-Scarred Demon for Sidisi, Undead Vizier for the overall lower mana cost. Anybody else doing a similar swap or keeping demon over Sidisi?
RGW Rith, the Awakener
BRG Prossh, Skyraider of Kher
UBR Nicol Bolas
GWU Treva, the Renewer
RWU Numot, the Devastator
URXSurf's Up, Mizz Magnus!XRU
URGWKynaios and Tiro's Multiplayer MenagerieWGRU
Agree 100%
Draft it Here!
UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
RGWMayael the AnimaRGW
UBRMarchesa, the Black RoseUBR
Modern Decks
RGWNaya BurnRGW
URXSurf's Up, Mizz Magnus!XRU
URGWKynaios and Tiro's Multiplayer MenagerieWGRU
I tried Crypt Angel awhile ago. She's a neat critter, but she's usually a first cut if the list starts getting tight. That said, she makes for a super good speed bump against aggressive Wx commanders.
stuff
How have Sorcerer and Confidant been working out for you so far, Rune?
RGWMayael the AnimaRGW
UBRMarchesa, the Black RoseUBR
Modern Decks
RGWNaya BurnRGW
Draft it Here!
UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
RGWMayael the AnimaRGW
UBRMarchesa, the Black RoseUBR
Modern Decks
RGWNaya BurnRGW
Draft it Here!
UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Draft it Here!
UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Although speaking of the complete opposite of fun, has anyone considered magus of the moon? Once sneak attack is in play, this is a mana fix and lockout card all in one. Also, with our crapload of sac outlets, if we feel like we need the rest of our colors again, it's easy to get rid of. He is also tutorable by imperial recruiter, and can be sneaked into play. Having him even for just one turn for a game winning alpha strike can prevent shenanigans as well.
Locking people into red takes out nearly all enchantment hate, and leaves only burn and a few "destroy all" effects as the only available removal in the game. Which we kind of don't give a rat's butthole about because of dethrone. Sorry in advance if this has already been brought up. I just don't see many basic lands when I play multiplayer, so that card just came into mind.
Thanks again, Marchesa rocks!! <3
PS: Can she be competitive in french?
Marchesa can be made viable for French, I've seen some lists in mtgtop8.com