I finally bagged a foil Marchesa, so I think I'll build this in the future a la Mass-LandD/creature-based combos and uttility (involving sac effects, ETB effects and +1/+1 counters hehe).
Awesome, I'm so glad I got mine right at her release for 30 bucks, she's had quite a price roller coaster.
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
I finally bagged a foil Marchesa, so I think I'll build this in the future a la Mass-LandD/creature-based combos and uttility (involving sac effects, ETB effects and +1/+1 counters hehe).
Congrats I got one too this week! Only card I'm missing now is an Imperial Recruiter.
I got mine for ~9 USD since the guy freshly opened it from the pack and wasn't aware of its value so that's what he offered. :)) Lucky me. I won't be using an Imperial Recruiter BUT... I've been eyeing that 4cc Transfigure dork and its potential in this kind of deck. :)) Still need to evaluate the deck; have to cut some noncreature spells.
I run Mindslicer and Myojin of Nights Reach as reusable mass discard, and also Bearer of the Heavens as my reusable Obliterate effect. :))
I have Obliterate, Jokulhaups, and Death Cloud, Devastation, All is Dust and Cyclonic Rift as my means of completely devastating the board (with Archaeomancer and Izzet Chronarch too to recur them if needed xD). Gotta share my complete list soon.
I got mine for ~9 USD since the guy freshly opened it from the pack and wasn't aware of its value so that's what he offered. :)) Lucky me. I won't be using an Imperial Recruiter BUT... I've been eyeing that 4cc Transfigure dork and its potential in this kind of deck. :)) Still need to evaluate the deck; have to cut some noncreature spells.
I run Mindslicer and Myojin of Nights Reach as reusable mass discard, and also Bearer of the Heavens as my reusable Obliterate effect. :))
I have Obliterate, Jokulhaups, and Death Cloud, Devastation, All is Dust and Cyclonic Rift as my means of completely devastating the board (with Archaeomancer and Izzet Chronarch too to recur them if needed xD). Gotta share my complete list soon.
Oh boy. And here I thought I got a good deal when I haggled a seller on Ebay into selling one for 70. Marchesa is woefully unassuming at first glance, so I was extremely surprised to see how much her foil version's price rose since Conspiracy's release. I wish that I could have done either what you or Solrune did, but I did not think much of her during her release and nobody around me has opened one either, so I can't try to cheatyface a trade for her so heavily into my favor.
To Solrune:
I have referred to your decklist and primer heavily when building my rig of Marchesa, but I still have a lot of cards in it since when I still ran my (bad) Thraximundar deck. From that deck, I still run Disciple of Deceit, Thada Adel, Acquisitor, and Phyrexian Delver. Do they fit with the deck's play style? In addition, I wonder why you don't run either Pact of Negation or Cyclonic Rift. Besides Venser, I do not see any counterspells you run, but Pact is one of the best emergency escape buttons, even or especially for aggro I think. Rift has been mentioned on this thread before, but from what I see you haven't addressed it directly. What are your thoughts on these cards?
Disciple of Deceit is very subpar. I'd run any creature that cantrips over this. Thada Adel, Acquisitor is awesome, I just don't think her impact is enough for me. Also I tend to run mana tight, so I don't think I would be casting much with her. Phyrexian Delver is decent, but I run lots of life paying effects already. Apprentice Necromancer fills this slot nicely instead, even being a wizard for Sage of Fables Pact of Negation is a good card for the deck, but my meta has drifted a bit from combo and more towards a very aggro oriented group. I've even gone so far and considering cutting Vendilion Clique. Cyclonic Rift is awesome, but as absurd as it sounds, I rarely make it to seven mana without winning or losing. I tend to win with 5-6 lands off of a Sneak Attack or Living Death, which are hyper efficient. I remember a game recently where i had Sol Ring, Dimir Signet in my starting hand the the game was over on turn 5 with double Grey Merchant of Asphodel triggers. We just beat each other senseless
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Oh, I did not really understand that you played with an aggro-oriented group. I play with mostly control players in multiplayer, so misplays and my bad cards are more tolerated because my opponents generally do not have large fields to punish me or each other. Would you change your deck if your meta shifted to what I am describing?
Would you change your deck if your meta shifted to what I am describing?
His Removal/Toolbox section would be a great place to start to look at if these cards would be needed in your Meta or not. From there id play the deck and adjust cards that you feel are under preforming for you with your Meta.
Would you change your deck if your meta shifted to what I am describing?
His Removal/Toolbox section would be a great place to start to look at if these cards would be needed in your Meta or not. From there id play the deck and adjust cards that you feel are under preforming for you with your Meta.
Definitely this. Always tune to your meta, I feel as my list is in a great spot for my group, but there are stronger/weaker groups out there. Just remember to have fun
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Hey Rune do you think you're close to finalizing your deck list soon? Super excited to see what you've got. Also how do you feel about putting in another land? I feel like one more would be perfect and was thinking of cutting Sol Ring (ikr) just cause I'm not as happy with it in this deck and would rather see any of the other ramp.
Hey Rune do you think you're close to finalizing your deck list soon? Super excited to see what you've got. Also how do you feel about putting in another land? I feel like one more would be perfect and was thinking of cutting Sol Ring (ikr) just cause I'm not as happy with it in this deck and would rather see any of the other ramp.
I'm almost done finalizing my list. I will be picking up the remaining things for it at GP San Antonio next weekend. As far as replacing Sol Ring with a land, you can easily do that. I ran the deck without it for a long while and it was fine. Honestly this is one of those wierd decks that you'd rather not have a ton of mana, you want to curve out tons of dudes. I think I've only ever done a ring into a signet turn one once, and that game wasn't great anyway. I had a turn 2 Marchesa with nothing to follow it.
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Its the same as your decklist right now. Just built it so still getting a feel for it. Also for river of tears if thats the land I played this turn can I tap for black?
Sweet, if there was a land i would add it would be either Arcane Lighthouse or Flamekin Village with the latter already slotted into my deck. Haste is awesome in an aggro deck, and slapping it on a land is killer. Also yes to the river question.
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Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
what are you guys thoughts on slithermuse seems like a good fit for this deck. card draws well, hits the all important 4cc mark, and can easily be abused. I can see it having diminishing returns especially after the first recursion, but for how explosive this deck is the extra card draw can really be relevant.
what are you guys thoughts on slithermuse seems like a good fit for this deck. card draws well, hits the all important 4cc mark, and can easily be abused. I can see it having diminishing returns especially after the first recursion, but for how explosive this deck is the extra card draw can really be relevant.
Since I have went with a tutor heavy build with just a few cantrip creatures, I didn't have a slot for this. If you have a draw heavy meta this can be a solid option. I would not run this over Mulldrifter or Baleful Strix, but could be a good 3rd option.
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Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Nice changes. I guess I can trade Jace and Clique for Imperial Recruiter. Also what changes to the manabase? Feel like you could switch up all of the fetchlands for the dual working counterparts. Lastly I wanna say that I hate Cabal Coffers in this deck. If you happen to draw it while needing a 4th mana it just sucks.
Nice changes. I guess I can trade Jace and Clique for Imperial Recruiter. Also what changes to the manabase? Feel like you could switch up all of the fetchlands for the dual working counterparts. Lastly I wanna say that I hate Cabal Coffers in this deck. If you happen to draw it while needing a 4th mana it just sucks.
The only change thus far is that I pulled shinka for flamkin village. Ill take haste all day every day over very, very narrow first strike. The reason I run so many fetches is it drops my life in addition to fixing, I would run all 9 that I could if I had all of them. Coffers is bad way less bad than good to me, I usually don't have too bad a time netting mana from it.
Modern: UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy: UWBMiracles
Edh: UUUThassa Control WWWHokori Stax GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy BBBGriselbrand French List RBGShattergang(Super Villians) RWGHazezon Flicker UBRMarchesa Aggro URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Awesome, I'm so glad I got mine right at her release for 30 bucks, she's had quite a price roller coaster.
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Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Congrats I got one too this week! Only card I'm missing now is an Imperial Recruiter.
I run Mindslicer and Myojin of Nights Reach as reusable mass discard, and also Bearer of the Heavens as my reusable Obliterate effect. :))
I have Obliterate, Jokulhaups, and Death Cloud, Devastation, All is Dust and Cyclonic Rift as my means of completely devastating the board (with Archaeomancer and Izzet Chronarch too to recur them if needed xD). Gotta share my complete list soon.
Oh boy. And here I thought I got a good deal when I haggled a seller on Ebay into selling one for 70. Marchesa is woefully unassuming at first glance, so I was extremely surprised to see how much her foil version's price rose since Conspiracy's release. I wish that I could have done either what you or Solrune did, but I did not think much of her during her release and nobody around me has opened one either, so I can't try to cheatyface a trade for her so heavily into my favor.
To Solrune:
I have referred to your decklist and primer heavily when building my rig of Marchesa, but I still have a lot of cards in it since when I still ran my (bad) Thraximundar deck. From that deck, I still run Disciple of Deceit, Thada Adel, Acquisitor, and Phyrexian Delver. Do they fit with the deck's play style? In addition, I wonder why you don't run either Pact of Negation or Cyclonic Rift. Besides Venser, I do not see any counterspells you run, but Pact is one of the best emergency escape buttons, even or especially for aggro I think. Rift has been mentioned on this thread before, but from what I see you haven't addressed it directly. What are your thoughts on these cards?
Thada Adel, Acquisitor is awesome, I just don't think her impact is enough for me. Also I tend to run mana tight, so I don't think I would be casting much with her.
Phyrexian Delver is decent, but I run lots of life paying effects already. Apprentice Necromancer fills this slot nicely instead, even being a wizard for Sage of Fables
Pact of Negation is a good card for the deck, but my meta has drifted a bit from combo and more towards a very aggro oriented group. I've even gone so far and considering cutting Vendilion Clique.
Cyclonic Rift is awesome, but as absurd as it sounds, I rarely make it to seven mana without winning or losing. I tend to win with 5-6 lands off of a Sneak Attack or Living Death, which are hyper efficient. I remember a game recently where i had Sol Ring, Dimir Signet in my starting hand the the game was over on turn 5 with double Grey Merchant of Asphodel triggers. We just beat each other senseless
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Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
His Removal/Toolbox section would be a great place to start to look at if these cards would be needed in your Meta or not. From there id play the deck and adjust cards that you feel are under preforming for you with your Meta.
Definitely this. Always tune to your meta, I feel as my list is in a great spot for my group, but there are stronger/weaker groups out there. Just remember to have fun
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UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
I'm almost done finalizing my list. I will be picking up the remaining things for it at GP San Antonio next weekend. As far as replacing Sol Ring with a land, you can easily do that. I ran the deck without it for a long while and it was fine. Honestly this is one of those wierd decks that you'd rather not have a ton of mana, you want to curve out tons of dudes. I think I've only ever done a ring into a signet turn one once, and that game wasn't great anyway. I had a turn 2 Marchesa with nothing to follow it.
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WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
I'd have to see your mana base to tell ya. If you think fixing is sufficient, there are loads of utility lands to choose from.
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RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
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GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Since I have went with a tutor heavy build with just a few cantrip creatures, I didn't have a slot for this. If you have a draw heavy meta this can be a solid option. I would not run this over Mulldrifter or Baleful Strix, but could be a good 3rd option.
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WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
I second this. Also how do you guys pronounce Marchesa?
Markayza, in keeping with the Italian feel of the Conspiracy setting.
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I go with Mar-Kay-Sa myself. Mar-Cheese-Sa/Mar-Ches-Sa just erks me
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GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
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RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
Changes:
Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep > Flamekin Village (Haste has already been WAY more relevant.)
Vendilion Clique > Dualcaster Mage (Combo has faded out in my meta for more aggressive decks, also adds combo of our own with Living Death and a sac outlet.)
Filth > Feldon of the Third Path (filth has been a dead card for awhile, and feldon's utility is promising.)
Jace, the Mindsculptor > Grim Haruspex (Already draws way harder than Jace and is easy to recur.)
Sakashima's Student > Clever Impersonator (Straight upgrade imo. Already used it to clone a Sneak Attack with a Beast Within aimed at it.)
Bitterblossom > Phyrexian Obliterator (Punishes aggro hard and is really fun to clone a bunch. Fun and has been promising in testing so far.)
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WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)
The only change thus far is that I pulled shinka for flamkin village. Ill take haste all day every day over very, very narrow first strike. The reason I run so many fetches is it drops my life in addition to fixing, I would run all 9 that I could if I had all of them. Coffers is bad way less bad than good to me, I usually don't have too bad a time netting mana from it.
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UUUBlue Man Group
Legacy:
UWBMiracles
Edh:
UUUThassa Control
WWWHokori Stax
GGGJolrael, Empress of Land Stompy
BBBGriselbrand French List
RBGShattergang(Super Villians)
RWGHazezon Flicker
UBRMarchesa Aggro
URGMaelstom Wanderer (Maelstorm)