Havengul also hits any graveyard, not just your own. That's pretty relevant.
Gisa and Geralf should best be thought of as a zombie tribal version of Karador. The effects are quite similar, and GG ends up costing roughly what Karador normally would.
I might switch out Ghoulcaller Gisa for Gisa and Geralf as it is the only card I can see cutting at the moment. I will have to test things when I get a copy.
Haven't been playing much Grimgrin as of late as I have been trying to finish getting most of the cards I need for three new(er) decks while scrapping the pieces of 2 older decks I don't have fun with anymore. The two main ones being Marath, Will of the Wild and Atarka, World Render and one secret one I haven't posted a list for yet.
Long story short, have you considered Geralf's Messenger? It seems like it would fit really nicely into the rooftop storm/curio combo since it becomes infinite damage as well.
I haven't had much of a chance to play magic in a while.... yada yada... Anyways long story short the secret deck that i have been working on is another zombie deck. It is no where near ready to be posted yet (i haven't chosen colour(s) yet) but the reason for a second zombie deck is to have a less competitive deck and there is a ton of stuff i want to play but they wouldn't make the cut for Grimgrin. So there are six cards that i like and only three of them i will be eventually testing for Grimgrin. Here are the six and what decks they are going/testing for.
Anyways onto questions
@Aatucus: I like her a lot but I don't think she is good in Grimgrin.
@GummiBurz: Geralf's Messenger was in the original inception of the deck but i replaced him with Gary. The triple black and its only a single player targeted made me chose Gary over the messenger.
I hope i have time to play/test soon i have been getting the itch since the end of June.
Have taken the last almost year off from playing as i have been traveling throughout Canada and USA. Just enjoying the sights and such. Anyways I am back home and decided to give an update and make a change to the deck.
Siren of the Silent Song has been on my to cut list since last year but there hasn't been a suitable replacement until now.
Plague Belcher acts as a second Vengeful Dead.
Lord of the Accursed is too good to not keep in any zombie deck imo. I've been MIA for quite sometime but I'm about to update all my lists and I have a more creature heavy approach to Grim-grin which seems to be working quite well since all these new zombies came out. Not really sure what's so appealing about Graf Harvest to be honest. It's gives Menace and has an expensive second ability when you would most likely want to be using something else. Plague Belcher has been MVP for me in a few recent games big body that has a ridiculous ability. Have you considered Liliana's Mastery I know lord effects aren't you top thing but putting out 2 3/3 zombies for 5cmc is ridiculous plus bumping all your other zombies that are out is just icing on the cake. You've made some very interesting changes along the way, interested to see where you go after some play testing.
The main attraction that I have for Graf Harvest is it's casting cost and it just gives you menace, I generally wouldn't want to use the second ability of Graf Harvest. Lord of the Accursed can give menace but at a cost (albeit a minor one). I will be testing both to see how things go.
I have looked at Liliana's Mastery but it is not something that I will be adding considering for 1 more mana I can cast Grave Titan which to me is so much better.
As one of my primary ways to win is through lifeloss/drain I figured Undermine would be a suitable upgrade as the three life loss has helped a lot during play testing.
As for Darkwater Catacombs I plain just forgot about it until recently when I was looking through my Commander 2016 stuff.
Are most of the ETB zombies just there for loopable combos? Cackling Fiend, Gravedigger, Grave Defiler and so on. They seem just a little weird to me as you have probably already won the game if you are looping these.
Also is Pull from Tomorrow not just a better draw spell all around than Read the Runes? I also wonder if Forbidden Alchemy is just a better card for whats going on.
Gisa - I needed a bit of fixing and Gisa is not as prominent as she use to be
Shizo - Always been wanting to draw something else when i see it. Torment is another element of control that makes my opponents think harder :D.
I am on the fence on whether i like Akroma's Memorial or Eldrazi Monument more, either way one of them with stay in the deck just haven't decide on which.
I really like Grimgrin as my commander chief of flavour/play stile.
I was wondering if you might be able to share some of the recent combos that you find to be essential for the deck, other than those listen in the original primer and that might perhaps be newer additions to the deck
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Gisa and Geralf should best be thought of as a zombie tribal version of Karador. The effects are quite similar, and GG ends up costing roughly what Karador normally would.
Haven't been playing much Grimgrin as of late as I have been trying to finish getting most of the cards I need for three new(er) decks while scrapping the pieces of 2 older decks I don't have fun with anymore. The two main ones being Marath, Will of the Wild and Atarka, World Render and one secret one I haven't posted a list for yet.
UB Grimgrin, Corpse-BornUB
WRG Marath, Will of the Wild GRW
RGOmnath, Locus of RageGR
WBTeysa, Orzhov ScionBW
URThe Locust GodRU
W(W/R)RAkiri, Line-SlingerW(W/R)R
I recently built a Grimgrin deck because one of my friends started playing Honor-Worn Shaku in a Norin the Wary deck and I realized that Grimgrin can do STUPID things with it. The original combo I had in mind was Grimgrin, Corpse-Born + Honor-Worn Shaku + Geralf's Messenger + Novijen Sages = Draw your deck + That Many ETB's for Geralf's Messenger. Later on, I came to notice that Geralf's Messenger + Sage of Fables + Ashnod's Altar does essentially the same thing.
Long story short, have you considered Geralf's Messenger? It seems like it would fit really nicely into the rooftop storm/curio combo since it becomes infinite damage as well.
WUBRGReaper King - Superfriends
WUBRGChild of Alara - The Nauseating Aurora
WUBSharuum the Hegemon - Christmas In Prison
WUBZur the Enchanter - Ow My Face
WRJor Kadeen, the Prevailer - Snow Goats
BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden - International Goblin All Purpose Recycling Facility Number 12
WGSaffi Eriksdotter - Saffi Combosdotter
UPatron of the Moon - The Age of Aquarius
BHorobi, Death's Wail - Bring Out Your Dead
GSachi, Daughter of Seshiro - Sneks
1 Cryptbreaker
1 Gisa and Geralf
1 Graf Harvest
1 Cryptbreaker
1 Gisa and Geralf
1 Noosegraf Mob
1 Graf Harvest
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Dark Salvation
Anyways onto questions
@Aatucus: I like her a lot but I don't think she is good in Grimgrin.
@GummiBurz: Geralf's Messenger was in the original inception of the deck but i replaced him with Gary. The triple black and its only a single player targeted made me chose Gary over the messenger.
I hope i have time to play/test soon i have been getting the itch since the end of June.
UB Grimgrin, Corpse-BornUB
WRG Marath, Will of the Wild GRW
RGOmnath, Locus of RageGR
WBTeysa, Orzhov ScionBW
URThe Locust GodRU
W(W/R)RAkiri, Line-SlingerW(W/R)R
:EDIT
I have decided to test Gisa and Geralf and Graf Harvest for this deck but as to when that will happen i am not sure.
UB Grimgrin, Corpse-BornUB
WRG Marath, Will of the Wild GRW
RGOmnath, Locus of RageGR
WBTeysa, Orzhov ScionBW
URThe Locust GodRU
W(W/R)RAkiri, Line-SlingerW(W/R)R
So here you go.
-1 Siren of the Silent Song +1 Plague Belcher.
Siren of the Silent Song has been on my to cut list since last year but there hasn't been a suitable replacement until now.
Plague Belcher acts as a second Vengeful Dead.
UB Grimgrin, Corpse-BornUB
WRG Marath, Will of the Wild GRW
RGOmnath, Locus of RageGR
WBTeysa, Orzhov ScionBW
URThe Locust GodRU
W(W/R)RAkiri, Line-SlingerW(W/R)R
-1 Liliana, Heretical Healer +1 Lord of the Accursed
-1 Eldrai Monument +1 Leyline of the Void
-1 Sensei's Divining Top +1 Counterspell
-1 Frozen Aether +1 Living Death
Just adding a few more control elements while removing some of the cards that haven't worked as well as I have been hoped.
Also Lord of the Accursed may become Graf Harvest depending how things go.
UB Grimgrin, Corpse-BornUB
WRG Marath, Will of the Wild GRW
RGOmnath, Locus of RageGR
WBTeysa, Orzhov ScionBW
URThe Locust GodRU
W(W/R)RAkiri, Line-SlingerW(W/R)R
WUBRGProgenitus
BGWUAtraxa, Praetors' Voice
BGW Ghave, Guru of Spores
BGRKresh, The Bloodbraided
BWRKaalia of the Vast
RWUShu Yun, The Silent Tempest
BUGrimgrin, The Corpse-Born
RDaretti, Scrap Savant
I have looked at Liliana's Mastery but it is not something that I will be adding considering for 1 more mana I can cast Grave Titan which to me is so much better.
UB Grimgrin, Corpse-BornUB
WRG Marath, Will of the Wild GRW
RGOmnath, Locus of RageGR
WBTeysa, Orzhov ScionBW
URThe Locust GodRU
W(W/R)RAkiri, Line-SlingerW(W/R)R
I will be testing the new cards as soon as i can get a hold of them.
UB Grimgrin, Corpse-BornUB
WRG Marath, Will of the Wild GRW
RGOmnath, Locus of RageGR
WBTeysa, Orzhov ScionBW
URThe Locust GodRU
W(W/R)RAkiri, Line-SlingerW(W/R)R
-1 Fatesticher +1 The Scarab God
-1 Leyline of the Void +1 Throne of the God-Pharaoh
-1 Counterspell +1 Undermine
-1 Chocked Estuary +1 Darkwater Catacombs
The only card I'm iffy about is Fatesticher but it didn't make the final cut.
Leyline of the Void nerfs a lot of my decks recursion/hate that targets my opponents (including the newly added The Scarab God). Plus Throne is freaking nuts with tokens and Faces of the Past.
As one of my primary ways to win is through lifeloss/drain I figured Undermine would be a suitable upgrade as the three life loss has helped a lot during play testing.
As for Darkwater Catacombs I plain just forgot about it until recently when I was looking through my Commander 2016 stuff.
UB Grimgrin, Corpse-BornUB
WRG Marath, Will of the Wild GRW
RGOmnath, Locus of RageGR
WBTeysa, Orzhov ScionBW
URThe Locust GodRU
W(W/R)RAkiri, Line-SlingerW(W/R)R
Also is Pull from Tomorrow not just a better draw spell all around than Read the Runes? I also wonder if Forbidden Alchemy is just a better card for whats going on.
Pull from Tomorrow is a better card. I just completely missed it.
Also I have tried Forbidden Alchemy but i never liked it.
-1 Read the Runes +1 Pull from Tomorrow.
UB Grimgrin, Corpse-BornUB
WRG Marath, Will of the Wild GRW
RGOmnath, Locus of RageGR
WBTeysa, Orzhov ScionBW
URThe Locust GodRU
W(W/R)RAkiri, Line-SlingerW(W/R)R
I have a few updates for the deck so here we go.
-1 Ghoulcaller Gisa +1 Burnished Hart
-1 Shizo, Death's Storehouse +1 Torment of Hailfire
Gisa - I needed a bit of fixing and Gisa is not as prominent as she use to be
Shizo - Always been wanting to draw something else when i see it. Torment is another element of control that makes my opponents think harder :D.
I am on the fence on whether i like Akroma's Memorial or Eldrazi Monument more, either way one of them with stay in the deck just haven't decide on which.
UB Grimgrin, Corpse-BornUB
WRG Marath, Will of the Wild GRW
RGOmnath, Locus of RageGR
WBTeysa, Orzhov ScionBW
URThe Locust GodRU
W(W/R)RAkiri, Line-SlingerW(W/R)R
Path of Ancestry wasn't added as I tend to have a strong dislike to tapped lands.
As for Unclaimed Territory, I decided against it as it doesn't work well enough with the non-creature spells in the deck.
UB Grimgrin, Corpse-BornUB
WRG Marath, Will of the Wild GRW
RGOmnath, Locus of RageGR
WBTeysa, Orzhov ScionBW
URThe Locust GodRU
W(W/R)RAkiri, Line-SlingerW(W/R)R
I was wondering if you might be able to share some of the recent combos that you find to be essential for the deck, other than those listen in the original primer and that might perhaps be newer additions to the deck