I like the Oaths, both serve decent purposes and provide tokens. That's up to you, though.
Even in multiplayer I think Sorin is really good, but again that's up to you.
I can definitely see Sarkhan being pretty weak on an empty board, though.
You can find in the below link my take on the token theme. Please note that I have moved on the sideboard cards I still consider including the ones I did not believe in, from your draft. I would appreciate any feedback or suggestions that you(and whoever took the time to view the list) might have. https://deckstats.net/decks/29540/728430-sliver-queen-superfriends-toke
I like the Oaths, both serve decent purposes and provide tokens. That's up to you, though.
Even in multiplayer I think Sorin is really good, but again that's up to you.
I can definitely see Sarkhan being pretty weak on an empty board, though.
You can find in the below link my take on the token theme. Please note that I have moved on the sideboard cards I still consider including the ones I did not believe in, from your draft. I would appreciate any feedback or suggestions that you(and whoever took the time to view the list) might have. https://deckstats.net/decks/29540/728430-sliver-queen-superfriends-toke
Looks pretty good! I think there's some things I would change up, like I just recently became not the biggest fan of Crucible of Worlds, or not the biggest fan of Tezzeret and if you're not running Tezz no reason to run Basalt Monolith. But those are probably things you've seen some success with.
I think Oath of Gideon might be better than Oath of Liliana, but it's tough to say. Also, maybe you want to consider some wraths such as Fell the Mighty or Retribution of the Meek.
Played a couple games today, won one and lost the other. The deck feels like it's in a good spot. Only thing I can imagine it wants is another wrath, but I don't know what. I honestly wish there was a "destroy all creatures and artifacts" spell.
Also, I wanted to say that I drew Rings of Brighthearth today early-mid game, and I was fairly satisfied with it. Getting additional chump blockers off of Elspeth, Knight-Errant was a big deal.
Also tutoring Doubling Season from a Wargate won me the game, so there's that. Went Ral Zarek, 3 extra turns, dropped a Narset Transcendent and had some additional draw power on board, people scooped.
Hey there guys long time follower as I also run the super friends. My list is a little different since I have an only foils stipulation for my deck. Been running this for about 4-5 years at this point.
Take a look and please offer suggestions maybe or ask questions about odd card choices.
Hey there guys long time follower as I also run the super friends. My list is a little different since I have an only foils stipulation for my deck. Been running this for about 4-5 years at this point.
Take a look and please offer suggestions maybe or ask questions about odd card choices.
Hehe...nice pimped out deck man. My only suggestion would be since you run tez and rings, to use a basalt monolith and instead of sphinx revelation a blue sun's zenith that makes it for you possible to deck out your opponents even on a single turn. Since basalt does not exist in foil you can use grim monolith instead. You might also need some more mass removal...you can find lots of choices in this thread... Enjoy your sparkling deck...
It isnt a wrath, but By Force from AMK looks to be good artifact removal, especially when you don't want to blow up yours.
Main reason why I said artifact removal also was just because it's the two things I would be okay dealing with simultaneously. That's why I dropped Akroma's Vengeance, was because it blew up my enchantments.
I mainly need a creature wrath, but I don't want to just run a strictly creature wrath, but overall I think the deck is probably fine as is.
Hey there guys long time follower as I also run the super friends. My list is a little different since I have an only foils stipulation for my deck. Been running this for about 4-5 years at this point.
Take a look and please offer suggestions maybe or ask questions about odd card choices.
It isnt a wrath, but By Force from AMK looks to be good artifact removal, especially when you don't want to blow up yours.
Main reason why I said artifact removal also was just because it's the two things I would be okay dealing with simultaneously. That's why I dropped Akroma's Vengeance, was because it blew up my enchantments.
What about vandalblast? Strictly better other then politics? Or no?
I mainly need a creature wrath, but I don't want to just run a strictly creature wrath, but overall I think the deck is probably fine as is.
Hey there guys long time follower as I also run the super friends. My list is a little different since I have an only foils stipulation for my deck. Been running this for about 4-5 years at this point.
Take a look and please offer suggestions maybe or ask questions about odd card choices.
Lethal vapors seem bad but what's the groups experience?
I have 5 board wipes. I generally find that to be enough. Is evection worth it at 6cmc?
I've thought of torpor orb before but was sent sure if it was really worth it. I feel like something as simple as StP might be better?
Forgot Wargate was a thing. Think I have to pick one up!
Kor Haven seems like a strict upgrade to Tectonic edge, and it's a masterpiece to boot!
Kher keep seems okay but as you guys no the deck is super mana hungry and it seems a little weak. Thoughts?
Austere command is one I was thinking of cause it's an invocation now but it seems worse then the wipes I already run.
I was running Regrowth until Nissa Vital force came out. That and seasons past have been great!
Thanks for the replies!
@johhnychr
While there are deff expensive cards in here grim monolith is way pricey in foil. Maybe something to save up for. Plus I would have to be able to play blue suns zenith multiple times to win with it. At the point that I'm generating infi mana I can do infi chain veils or just loop d tutor seasons past and a time walk to kill the table.
Lethal vapors seem bad but what's the groups experience?
I have 5 board wipes. I generally find that to be enough. Is evection worth it at 6cmc?
I've thought of torpor orb before but was sent sure if it was really worth it. I feel like something as simple as StP might be better?
Forgot Wargate was a thing. Think I have to pick one up!
Kor Haven seems like a strict upgrade to Tectonic edge, and it's a masterpiece to boot!
Kher keep seems okay but as you guys no the deck is super mana hungry and it seems a little weak. Thoughts?
Austere command is one I was thinking of cause it's an invocation now but it seems worse then the wipes I already run.
I was running Regrowth until Nissa Vital force came out. That and seasons past have been great!
Lethal Vapors - I generally have a really good experience with this card. Not quite as good as Humility, but still a very good card against most other decks. It at least buys your planeswalker a few turns because people aren't casting into it. One of my favorite cards in the deck, as I enjoy being able to have creature hate on board as much as possible, since it doesn't effect me too much and really helps planeswalkers.
Eviction is good for at least its utility, in my opinion. For one additional mana compared to Hallowed Burial, you're exiling all creatures instead of tucking them, which tucking is fairly irrelevant with the rule update a year or so back. Then it's modal so you can take care of artifacts, enchantments, or in the unlikely case planeswalker. I would swap Hallowed for it.
Torpor Orb usually is a pretty good card for me, at least if your meta has a decent amount of ETB effects. It's cheap, Tezzeret tutorable and is asymmetrical since you don't run creatures with ETB effects.
Kher Keep is just a decent back up when you need some chump blockers, in my opinion. Although maybe your mana base isn't quite as stable without original duals, so omitting it seems reasonable.
Austere is also really good for it's ability to have multiple modes. I'm torn on which I like better between this and Eviction, but I recommend both. I would run it over either Wrath or Damnation, but that's just me.
Right now I'm currently at 23 planeswalker, and I would like to get to 25, possibly with Chandra, Flamecaller (nice wrath effect with Humility out) and Kiora, the Crashing Wave (and I'm sure I'll run the new Nicol Bolas when it comes out, so I'll drop a lucklaster planeswalker for him). Any opinions on what to drop?
While there are deff expensive cards in here grim monolith is way pricey in foil. Maybe something to save up for. Plus I would have to be able to play blue suns zenith multiple times to win with it. At the point that I'm generating infi mana I can do infi chain veils or just loop d tutor seasons past and a time walk to kill the table.
I know about grim....it is a bit expensive...lucky to pick it up 2 years ago. You are correct with the infinite mana. Austere command is a multi tool and should be in your deck in my opinion.
""Right now I'm currently at 23 planeswalker, and I would like to get to 25, possibly with Chandra, Flamecaller (nice wrath effect with Humility out) and Kiora, the Crashing Wave (and I'm sure I'll run the new Nicol Bolas when it comes out, so I'll drop a lucklaster planeswalker for him). Any opinions on what to drop?""
I am not a fan of JtMS. It's always been a 4cmc Brainstorm. People tend to kill it at great cost even though he's a little lack luster in multiplayer. I think JAoT is strictly better.
I'm also not so high on any Gideon. Although trials could be good vs a combo group if they can't just kill it.
I am excited to try out nissa steward of elements over kiora in my list.
I kind of feel like the new nicol bolas will be pushed and I'm tentavly going to swap them depending on what he does.
i try to maximize doubling season and chain veil wins which reflects some of my choices of walkers that generate mana. Like xenagos which I find to be fantastic in my deck with the token making he generates absurd amounts of mana to chain chain veil activations.
I am not a fan of JtMS. It's always been a 4cmc Brainstorm. People tend to kill it at great cost even though he's a little lack luster in multiplayer. I think JAoT is strictly better.
I'm also not so high on any Gideon. Although trials could be good vs a combo group if they can't just kill it.
I am excited to try out nissa steward of elements over kiora in my list.
I kind of feel like the new nicol bolas will be pushed and I'm tentavly going to swap them depending on what he does.
i try to maximize doubling season and chain veil wins which reflects some of my choices of walkers that generate mana. Like xenagos which I find to be fantastic in my deck with the token making he generates absurd amounts of mana to chain chain veil activations.
I think in some senses our metas might be a bit different, and we may pilot our decks a little different.
While sometimes JTMS does come down and get ate up, that's sort of with any relatively cheap planeswalker. JAoT is nice, and might be a better card to consider over Kiora now that I'm thinking about it. I was just thinking I bump my planeswalker count up, because it's going to happen sooner or later anyway, and 25 seems like a good number to cap it at.
Gideon of the Trials can protect our planeswalkers from big threats, and his emblem can make for interesting ways to maintain int he game.
As for the latest Nissa, I feel like she's pretty bad, at least from my decks stand point. Scry 2 is fine, not great, but it's okay. Her 0 may have some interaction with lands, but I run zero creatures, so that doesn't mean much. Her ultimate is pretty much useless. If I could cast her for x = 0, and her not die right away, she might be okay. This deck is definitely missing a 2-drop planeswalker.
But back to what I was saying about our decks piloting a bit different, I think that's probably the case as you mention your focus on interactions with The Chain Veil. I would be interested to watch you play your deck, though, and just exactly how it pilots! Seems interesting.
My meta are kind of jerk wads. Lol. They will harass me despite me not being an actual danger in game cause of what my deck does. I rarely get to untap with a walker. Even something as inocus as a garruk wildspeaker. This kind of forces me to get more combo-y or wait till I can board wipe and play a walker in the same turn.
I also know that my build restriction makes my deck not as good as it could be. My kingdom for a foil humility!
In my build I think that newest nissa is a little bland by herself but unassuming. With chain veil though it's another cog to get untapped mana in the loop.
Is too bad that online this dumb deck is like 500-800 tickets. Build a second version or get more pimp stuff? It's always gonna be pimp stuff!
Is your meta tolerant to your deck? Does it have a bullseye from t1?
It seems like your build is decent at strangling the table with your more dedicated control/prison cards. Does that ring true?
My meta are kind of jerk wads. Lol. They will harass me despite me not being an actual danger in game cause of what my deck does. I rarely get to untap with a walker. Even something as inocus as a garruk wildspeaker. This kind of forces me to get more combo-y or wait till I can board wipe and play a walker in the same turn.
I also know that my build restriction makes my deck not as good as it could be. My kingdom for a foil humility!
In my build I think that newest nissa is a little bland by herself but unassuming. With chain veil though it's another cog to get untapped mana in the loop.
Is too bad that online this dumb deck is like 500-800 tickets. Build a second version or get more pimp stuff? It's always gonna be pimp stuff!
Is your meta tolerant to your deck? Does it have a bullseye from t1?
It seems like your build is decent at strangling the table with your more dedicated control/prison cards. Does that ring true?
When I first started playing this deck, there was a decent target on my head. I think since the deck has been around for awhile now, they realize it's not necessarily as threatening as it seems.
But yeah, since I have started gearing my deck towards a more control/prison strategy, at least when it comes to creatures, I've been able to really manage the game in my favor a lot better. That being said, sometimes when I drop Humility early and it goes unanswered for awhile, people start to get angry and point their frustrations at me. Soon enough I become a bit of the archenemy. Overall it's still worth it. And unfortunately Humility will probably never see a foil print, since it's reserved list
I know Humility is out of the question, but I would recommend those cards like Lethal Vapors and some other stuff, it may help you manage the board better. It does for me at least. Buys my walkers a lot more time and just the game in general will go on a bit longer because you're really managing the board against creatures.
My meta are kind of jerk wads. Lol. They will harass me despite me not being an actual danger in game cause of what my deck does. I rarely get to untap with a walker. Even something as inocus as a garruk wildspeaker. This kind of forces me to get more combo-y or wait till I can board wipe and play a walker in the same turn.
I also know that my build restriction makes my deck not as good as it could be. My kingdom for a foil humility!
In my build I think that newest nissa is a little bland by herself but unassuming. With chain veil though it's another cog to get untapped mana in the loop.
Is too bad that online this dumb deck is like 500-800 tickets. Build a second version or get more pimp stuff? It's always gonna be pimp stuff!
Is your meta tolerant to your deck? Does it have a bullseye from t1?
It seems like your build is decent at strangling the table with your more dedicated control/prison cards. Does that ring true?
This is the main reason why I shelved the deck for a while. It got pretty dumb/boring to see dorks swinging into Jace Beleren.
What do you guys think about Winter Orb? With Tezzeret and some mana rocks it could work quite well.
Seems pretty interesting for sure. I will avoid it personally for now, since it would be a pretty big shake up for this deck and would require me to reshape the deck a bit, but it definitely seems really good in this deck. Even Static Orb seems good since planeswalkers don't need to untap.
I think I am going to make a list around these now! Not necessarily going to play the updated deck, but just for reference.
What does it really hit? Most commanders are 3+ mana, and most players aren't playing that many cards that cost 2 or less mana after your turn 3. Could you elaborate on why it could be better than other options like torpor orb or cursed totem?
Its probably a meta call. It makes all the rocks produce negative mana the turn they come out. It makes counter magic much worse and free spells like FoW/pact kind of lame. It hoses most targetted spells (removal, countermagic, tutors). It kills most combo decks. I could see it not do much in a battlecruiser meta. Mine has moved towards cEDH and its a house everytime it hits the field. My current deck has an average CMC of 1.63 just to give you an idea.
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You can find in the below link my take on the token theme. Please note that I have moved on the sideboard cards I still consider including the ones I did not believe in, from your draft. I would appreciate any feedback or suggestions that you(and whoever took the time to view the list) might have.
https://deckstats.net/decks/29540/728430-sliver-queen-superfriends-toke
I think Oath of Gideon might be better than Oath of Liliana, but it's tough to say. Also, maybe you want to consider some wraths such as Fell the Mighty or Retribution of the Meek.
Also tutoring Doubling Season from a Wargate won me the game, so there's that. Went Ral Zarek, 3 extra turns, dropped a Narset Transcendent and had some additional draw power on board, people scooped.
G Azusa, Wherever I May Roam
UG Rashmi Simic Power
WB Kambal Life Gain Kills
URG Maelstrom Wanderer Howdy
Take a look and please offer suggestions maybe or ask questions about odd card choices.
Thanks for the time!
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/progenitus-super-pimps/
Hehe...nice pimped out deck man. My only suggestion would be since you run tez and rings, to use a basalt monolith and instead of sphinx revelation a blue sun's zenith that makes it for you possible to deck out your opponents even on a single turn. Since basalt does not exist in foil you can use grim monolith instead. You might also need some more mass removal...you can find lots of choices in this thread... Enjoy your sparkling deck...
I mainly need a creature wrath, but I don't want to just run a strictly creature wrath, but overall I think the deck is probably fine as is.
I bet your deck looks awesome.
Here's a few cards that are all-stars in my deck (that come in foil) that you might want to consider:
Other than that, your deck looks really good!
Lethal vapors seem bad but what's the groups experience?
I have 5 board wipes. I generally find that to be enough. Is evection worth it at 6cmc?
I've thought of torpor orb before but was sent sure if it was really worth it. I feel like something as simple as StP might be better?
Forgot Wargate was a thing. Think I have to pick one up!
Kor Haven seems like a strict upgrade to Tectonic edge, and it's a masterpiece to boot!
Kher keep seems okay but as you guys no the deck is super mana hungry and it seems a little weak. Thoughts?
Austere command is one I was thinking of cause it's an invocation now but it seems worse then the wipes I already run.
I was running Regrowth until Nissa Vital force came out. That and seasons past have been great!
Thanks for the replies!
@johhnychr
While there are deff expensive cards in here grim monolith is way pricey in foil. Maybe something to save up for. Plus I would have to be able to play blue suns zenith multiple times to win with it. At the point that I'm generating infi mana I can do infi chain veils or just loop d tutor seasons past and a time walk to kill the table.
Right now I'm currently at 23 planeswalker, and I would like to get to 25, possibly with Chandra, Flamecaller (nice wrath effect with Humility out) and Kiora, the Crashing Wave (and I'm sure I'll run the new Nicol Bolas when it comes out, so I'll drop a lucklaster planeswalker for him). Any opinions on what to drop?
I know about grim....it is a bit expensive...lucky to pick it up 2 years ago. You are correct with the infinite mana.
Austere command is a multi tool and should be in your deck in my opinion.
I am not a fan of JtMS. It's always been a 4cmc Brainstorm. People tend to kill it at great cost even though he's a little lack luster in multiplayer. I think JAoT is strictly better.
I'm also not so high on any Gideon. Although trials could be good vs a combo group if they can't just kill it.
I am excited to try out nissa steward of elements over kiora in my list.
I kind of feel like the new nicol bolas will be pushed and I'm tentavly going to swap them depending on what he does.
i try to maximize doubling season and chain veil wins which reflects some of my choices of walkers that generate mana. Like xenagos which I find to be fantastic in my deck with the token making he generates absurd amounts of mana to chain chain veil activations.
While sometimes JTMS does come down and get ate up, that's sort of with any relatively cheap planeswalker. JAoT is nice, and might be a better card to consider over Kiora now that I'm thinking about it. I was just thinking I bump my planeswalker count up, because it's going to happen sooner or later anyway, and 25 seems like a good number to cap it at.
Gideon of the Trials can protect our planeswalkers from big threats, and his emblem can make for interesting ways to maintain int he game.
As for the latest Nissa, I feel like she's pretty bad, at least from my decks stand point. Scry 2 is fine, not great, but it's okay. Her 0 may have some interaction with lands, but I run zero creatures, so that doesn't mean much. Her ultimate is pretty much useless. If I could cast her for x = 0, and her not die right away, she might be okay. This deck is definitely missing a 2-drop planeswalker.
But back to what I was saying about our decks piloting a bit different, I think that's probably the case as you mention your focus on interactions with The Chain Veil. I would be interested to watch you play your deck, though, and just exactly how it pilots! Seems interesting.
I also know that my build restriction makes my deck not as good as it could be. My kingdom for a foil humility!
In my build I think that newest nissa is a little bland by herself but unassuming. With chain veil though it's another cog to get untapped mana in the loop.
Is too bad that online this dumb deck is like 500-800 tickets. Build a second version or get more pimp stuff? It's always gonna be pimp stuff!
Is your meta tolerant to your deck? Does it have a bullseye from t1?
It seems like your build is decent at strangling the table with your more dedicated control/prison cards. Does that ring true?
But yeah, since I have started gearing my deck towards a more control/prison strategy, at least when it comes to creatures, I've been able to really manage the game in my favor a lot better. That being said, sometimes when I drop Humility early and it goes unanswered for awhile, people start to get angry and point their frustrations at me. Soon enough I become a bit of the archenemy. Overall it's still worth it. And unfortunately Humility will probably never see a foil print, since it's reserved list
I know Humility is out of the question, but I would recommend those cards like Lethal Vapors and some other stuff, it may help you manage the board better. It does for me at least. Buys my walkers a lot more time and just the game in general will go on a bit longer because you're really managing the board against creatures.
This is the main reason why I shelved the deck for a while. It got pretty dumb/boring to see dorks swinging into Jace Beleren.
I think I am going to make a list around these now! Not necessarily going to play the updated deck, but just for reference.
https://deckstats.net/decks/1240/733192-sliver-queen-stax
Edit: Blinkmoth Well is possibly the sweetest tech. In 5 colours? Absolute madman.
As for Blinkmonth, I replaced Kher Keep so I figured i generating colorless isn't too big of a deal.
Yeah, that's probably true but I'm not too sure how effective it is overall. There's definitely a lot more cards that could fit in, though.
I would love to build on this deck, let me know if any of you have suggestions.