MTG Salvation

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"I got 99 Permanents but Primal Surge ain't one" was a joke I told one of the first times I played this deck. Wow, I've had this deck built since Sept 2013. Doesn't seem that long, all the fun and shenanigans that have happened with this deck. I pull this deck out when I want to just have fun, to let my inner Timmy loose to have the biggest baddest creature board state possible. This deck is not about winning every time, or even majority of time. This deck is about having as much fun as possible and beating people's heads in.


The quote I use above explains this deck, its not about territory or revenge (aka winning). Its about freedom, plain and simple. The freedom to have my fun and build up the epic army this kind of deck brings. The thing is though this deck is simple, fun, and straight forward and has plenty of moments where it can dominate a game when needed.

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My own experience with Ruric Thar is that he gets blown up and hated off the table by the control / combo player. The more useful he is in a game, the less likely he is to stay in the game. Counterspells / tuck will likely try to push him out or the combo players will just take the 12-18 dmg and go off anyways.

I love Ruric, but its sort of like playing Gaddock Teeg, the more useful he is in a game, the less likely he is to stay in play.

It might approach $40.00 of card value, but I feel like it only just barely manages to do so. Avanger of Zendikar may be the best value you're getting here, because the rest of this looks like it can bought for $0.05-1.50 a piece with several of the cards hitting around $0.50. You'd be paying for the convenience of a mostly complete list.

If you were going to try and revamp the list into something more cohesive, I might buy some singles out of this list, but only the staples/support cards I didn't already own.

EDIT: With a bit more thought. I'd write up what you want your own Ruric Thar list to look like and finalize your card decisions. Then purchase the cards you need to put the whole thing together. I like Ruric Thar, and how mean he can be but he needs some more support. Gaea's Herald and Spearbreaker Behemoth are both strong. Vexing Shusher, City of Solitude, War's Toll, and Price of Glory can really hate those control decks off the table. I just wish you had bit more ramp going for you here so that you could drop your bombs under disruption even faster. Krosan Grip may be your only anti-combo answer short of stuff like Strangehold. Also Grafted Exoskeleton gives Ruric Thar some serious teeth.

As previously assessed, the deck is barely worth $40. The question is if you find having a deck wholesale worthwhile? The point of a sale is to have a good deal, this would merely be an expenditure.

You'd have to spend some serious cash to get this deck much better, including getting strict upgrades: Soul of the Harvest beats Primordial Sage (but why not run both?), Defense of the Heart/Birthing Pod is superior to Hibernation's End, for example.

I'd buy Ruric Thar and a few cards you like on the cheap, then build your own.

ah, Well he isnt willing to piece it out. I guess I need to also state Im getting all these cards sleeved and a deck box.

If you don't have the money to overhaul the deck then I would say buy it now. It's pretty much a starter deck that you'll upgrade so if that's the case for you then go for it.

Are the sleeves nice? What about the deck box?

I have some sleeves that I don't mind still using, but they're grungy that I wouldn't want to buy them.

the sleeves are Legion Skull Sleeves probably no older than 4 months old I played this deck with them and they are in good shape, it has a matching Deck Box from Legion also.

I think I am going to buy this, if the cards all together are worth more than 40$ include the sleeves and box Im kind of making out, the guy that is selling the deck like i said It was a friend. he is kind of getting out of magic so if he does quit he might give me a good price on his cards. Especially since Im pretty much starting from scratch I would have to buy all the cards I want in singles unless they are from a newer set.

Thanks everyone for their input. Any Suggestions for changes?

More ramp dudes. The deck looks pretty top heavy on the mana curve. I also have a Primal Surge Ruric Thar build. Link is in my sig although I probably need to update it.

I would say Primal Surge works best in Animar or Mimeoplasm/Damia.

So unless you are in love with some of the cards, I would not buy it because on Nov 1st FIVE new precons will be released, so I say save your money.

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Quote from Tev

Soul of the Harvest beats Primordial Sage (but why not run both?)

Just curious but did you not see Soul of the Harvest in the list? Both Soul and Primordial are in the deck

Also did some research and decided that I think it is worth the money

Star City card for card price for this deck is around 82.00$
Ebay Card for Card Price for this deck is around 50$

that doesn't include the sleeves and box, and I got some good cards that I can use to improve the deck. I like having alot of creatures as my other decks have more of a balancing act happening, if I did take things out for more ramp they would be strictly Mana rocks/ Sac for lands or More Creatures that get me lands. I will update the Deck list in a few days with the total changes I make and ask for any suggestions then. Thank you all for your input.

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I would say Primal Surge works best in Animar or Mimeoplasm/Damia.

So unless you are in love with some of the cards, I would not buy it because on Nov 1st FIVE new precons will be released, so I say save your money.

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Ya Animar was a option when i saw this deck buying parts of it and making a animar Deck. that option will still be out there. the Precons are nice but way to pricey for my blood, I might buy one and that is a maybe.

Slowly updating this deck, Have played it since adding Ramp Dudes and might cut my 37 lands down to 36 as I have not had any problems getting enough mana to play every creature I got. Really enjoying heavy Creature builds only wishing I had more ways to stop wipes. I find myself pulling out Spearbreaker Behemoth from my Creature Tutors and wanting Asceticism

I'd probably cut Primordial Sage and anything with a mandatory draw ability. Because profound sadness when you lose from Surging because you're forced to draw from your empty deck because it's all on the table.

Would you be required to draw from the creatures coming in from Primal Surge? Your tech not "playing them" they are coming into the battlefield from exile. Finally Primal Surge is a May Put target perm onto field, meaning you can stop yourself from decking.

Oh. It says "cast"? Disregard my comment then. Only skimmed, but I'm not sure if you have mandatory "when ETB, draw" effects. And you can choose not to put something into play, but prematurely ending a Surge is lame.

I can agree with you there, Last night I was playing a 8 man Game with people at my LGS and played Primal Surge, I turned to the only person playing Blue. He looked at me like it wasnt a big deal, I gave him the card and he just shrugged it off. I got to surge my whole deck but like 4 cards. The funny thing is, he had a counter in hand, he just didnt realize I was playing no instants or sorcerys

I have updated my decklist to changes I have made, I will be updating again once I get my Precons (if I ever get them). Please comment and if you have any suggestions/questions feel free to fire away.

I have updated this deck with some cards I got out of the Commander 2013 Precons.

Had to make some changes to the deck due to meta changes, Alot of artifact decks are popping up and I need more artifact removal. Along with that each of these artifact decks have alot of "take control of target creature" so I believe Homeward Path & Brooding Saurian have found homes in the deck. No fun having other people hit me with my fatties. It was really hard for me to take out Deus of Calamity So if anyone has a better suggestion I would very thankful.



Edit: I was listening to pandora while looking over my deck and heard the black keys version of "I got 99 problems" and I just couldnt help but smile and think "I got 99 Permanents but Primal Surge ain't one" it fits this deck very well and will probably stick with this theme of a deck for good now.

I have made some more changes to my deck. I have made a new goal of mine to Surge this deck 50 times. I feel it is a fun goal and I feel that by that time I feel I would play the deck enough to decide if I wanna keep this kind of Permanent Only theme.

Once again any suggestions would greatly appreciated, Any Creatures that destroy Enchantments/Artifacts are especially welcomed




This will be the last time I bump this thread if no one comments

Hey man, I like your deck idea a lot, and I'm thinking of putting together something similar. What updates have you made since January?

So I recently updated this deck, looking to get a few more cards from the newest commander set. Ruric Thar is still not bowing to any other decks. Any opinions of course are welcome

Thank you so much for the suggestions. I can get what you are saying, the Engulfing Slagwurm I have to disagree, he provides an amazing deterrent, and the lifegain is nice.

Fervor just has stayed in there as I have been to lazy to change it out with something else. I want to refrane from putting in any other enchantments and trying to keep it as creaturey as possible so no doubling up for redundancy. I had Bane of Progress in it once and it seemed to sit in my hand to often waiting for more artifacts and enchantments.

I can get behind Chameleon Colossus, but inferno seems meh with only 3 damage.

The difference is Voracious Cobra requires damage to be dealt. Engulfing Slagwurm doesnt require any damage to be dealt, in fact no damage is dealt before the creature is destroyed. That is just my thought process, then you get to heal on top of it. Pretty good if you ask me.