This was a deck that started as a Ruhan pillowfort type deck, but I was never happy with how wild and uncontrolable he was. :/ So instead, I grabbed Numot and decided I was going to jam in every fun red, white, and blue spell that I wanted to play with, including a Sunforger-counterspell package.
What's resulted is a very defensive-oriented deck that relies on sitting back and waiting to see what happens. It has less creatures than I'd like, but I'm fine with that, so long as I have at least one dude to swing a sword or Sunforger around.
I'm currently in the process of agonizing what to cut out for some functional cards that would help the deck out by leaps and bounds. Stuff like Sun Titan, Leyline of Anticipation, and (most importantly) Tormod's Crypt.
Any suggestions, questions, or tips would be much appreciated.
No love for Propaganda or Ghostly Prison? They seem like they should be auto includes in a defense-centric deck like this one.
Also, I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason that I'm missing, but what's the point of Spellbook in this deck? If it's just to let you keep a big hand of cards I'd replace it with Library of Leng just for the extra bit of protection it provides.
The point of Spellbook over something like Library or Venser's Journal was that it's a free-cast card. I wanted to conserve as much mana for counterspells or doing other things as possible, so a hand holder for 0 is a good thing to have. It's also less of a target because it doesn't do anything I've found, unlike journal which will get you noticed a lot faster.
That's also the same reason I cut out pillow-fort cards. They tend to draw more attention for me than they repel. It's easier to have a subtle board presence than a couple of walls that say "please don't hit me" with a group of guys who want to disobey the signs.
Haha I agree that you should cut Spellbook, especially since you already have Reliquary Tower. You can always add Expedition Map to search out the tower. I would suggest finding room for 1-2 more lands, since you have a few colorless lands and Maze of Ith does not make mana.
Hope I didn't necro this thread lol. I was thinking of making my own Numot list so I just clicked on the first thread in the decklist database.
Hmmm...expedition map WOULD help out a lot...I like that spellbook can be tutored for zero with tezzeret, but I have been having problems with my lands...I'll give it a try then and see how it holds.
And no, this is a fairly new thread so there's no necro-encroachment to worry about.
I play a very similar zedruu the great hearted list. My deck has been tuning for a relatively short time (since June), but I play it a lot.
I run a heavy control raka build.
I wanted to offer a few constructive criticisms. Take from them what you will.
1. Dawn charm is better than safe passage. It counters spells like mind twist, bribery, and the like. It also fogs! Last but not least it can regenerate a creature.
2. Ith, high arcanist should be swapped out for skull clamp. Skull clamp plus assemble the legion, elspeth, and mobilization is a boss. Though I recommend running more elspeth variations over mobilization. Don't even try sacred Mesa it sucks because it eats our mana.
3. Cut spell book for library of leng, leng synergies with best red card in our colours: wild research! It is also good with gamble.
4. Your build is control heavy like mine. You should consider things like goblin welder, wurmcoil engine, and sun titan.
5. Land tax plus scroll rack is a thing.
6. Archaeomancer plus capsize is a thing
7. Aethersworn canonist, pure steel paladin, and copy artifact are all very good in your build.
8. Stonecloaker is a white edh auto include. Wait tell they says target and exile it, bounce stonecloaker back to your hand. Controls all day.
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I've recently built my own Numot deck and your list looked like a good starting point. However, I've made a few changes. I'm super excited for this Commander 2013 card:
I play a very similar zedruu the great hearted list. My deck has been tuning for a relatively short time (since June), but I play it a lot.
I run a heavy control raka build.
I wanted to offer a few constructive criticisms. Take from them what you will.
1. Dawn charm is better than safe passage. It counters spells like mind twist, bribery, and the like. It also fogs! Last but not least it can regenerate a creature.
Personally, I prefer Safe Passage because it allows an opponent to kill everyone else BUT me when they go off with Molten Psyche or Insurrection. I ran the charm before, and I like it plenty. I just enjoy watching everyone else die more.
2. Ith, high arcanist should be swapped out for skull clamp. Skull clamp plus assemble the legion, elspeth, and mobilization is a boss. Though I recommend running more elspeth variations over mobilization. Don't even try sacred Mesa it sucks because it eats our mana.
I haven't updated the list in quite a while, but Ith was cut a while ago. I don't run the clamp though. At times it seems like the deck draws more cards than I can play, and other times it doesn't draw nearly enough. I'm still tinkering when I get a chance to play this deck again (currently focusing on Gatecrash guilds/mono color decks).
3. Cut spell book for library of leng, leng synergies with best red card in our colours: wild research! It is also good with gamble.
I did end up cutting the book, but I do like this suggestion. I'm going to see if I can work it in somehow...
4. Your build is control heavy like mine. You should consider things like goblin welder, wurmcoil engine, and sun titan.
The Welder is a cool idea I hadn't seen before. I currently run Hanna for a similar purpose, but I like the redundancy. I have added the wurmcoil engine, but I was surprised to find Sun Titan wasn't in the list already. ._. I've been on a mission to put him in every white deck I have, but I guess I missed one. I'll need to pick one up later.
5. Land tax plus scroll rack is a thing.
Unfortunately, not for me as I have a lack of Racks atm. Even then, my Riku/Maelstrom deck would get first dibs.
6. Archaeomancer plus capsize is a thing
Yes, but why do I want to spend six mana to get back something? I'd rather put out a Conjurer's Closet or use Dead-eye Navigator to recur my cards...how am I not already running that though...
7. Aethersworn canonist, pure steel paladin, and copy artifact are all very good in your build.
Copy Artifact is something I like a lot, but I don't actually feel like I want Ethersworn or the Paladin in this build. I don't really use artifacts as my main theme so the canonist hurts me more than I'd like and I don't run as much equipment as I currently do. I REALLY need to update this list...
8. Stonecloaker is a white edh auto include. Wait tell they says target and exile it, bounce stonecloaker back to your hand. Controls all day.
HOLD IT!!! Did you just call something an "auto-include"? That's a no-no, my friend. There are plenty of white decks that do not need nor want stonecloaker. Granted, my deck would benefit from some more graveyard hate, but if you're pairing white with cards of other colors that are already very strong in graveyard hate, I'd rather not be leaving three mana open for a source of graveyard hate that can be killed in response to its own trigger, especially when my ways of getting it back are very little.
The kinds of cards I DO count as auto-includes are very, very small. Stonecloaker is a good card, but I would never consider it an auto-include or a staple.
I've recently built my own Numot deck and your list looked like a good starting point. However, I've made a few changes. I'm super excited for this Commander 2013 card:
Yes, I haven't gotten around to updating ANY of my wedge decks with the new Theros cards. It's a project that usually goes on for a month or two. But there are definitely plenty of cards I want to run, no doubts about it.
What's resulted is a very defensive-oriented deck that relies on sitting back and waiting to see what happens. It has less creatures than I'd like, but I'm fine with that, so long as I have at least one dude to swing a sword or Sunforger around.
1 Numot, the Devastator
1 Batterskull
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Oblivion Stone
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
1 Spellbook
1 Sunforger
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 AEtherling
1 Augury Adept
1 Brass Squire
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
1 Hanna, Ship's Navigator
1 Isperia, Supreme Judge
1 Ith, High Arcanist
1 Markov Blademaster
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Assemble the Legion
1 Luminarch Ascension
1 Rhystic Study
1 Stranglehold
1 Boros Charm
1 Chaos Warp
1 Cloudshift
1 Counterflux
1 Cyclonic Rift
1 Double Negative
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Odds // Ends
1 Pact of Negation
1 Path to Exile
1 Render Silent
1 Return to Dust
1 Safe Passage
1 Sphinx's Revelation
1 Suffocating Blast
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Tithe
1 Wear // Tear
1 Academy Ruins
1 Azorius Guildgate
1 Battlefield Forge
1 Boros Guildgate
1 Calciform Pools
1 Clifftop Retreat
1 Command Tower
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Flagstones of Trokair
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Glacial Fortress
1 Hallowed Fountain
4 Island
1 Izzet Guildgate
1 Kor Haven
1 Maze of Ith
1 Mistveil Plains
5 Mountain
1 Mystic Gate
2 Plains
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Sejiri Refuge
1 Slayer's Stronghold
1 Spinerock Knoll
1 Steam Vents
1 Temple of the False God
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Transguild Promenade
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Karn Liberated
1 Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
1 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 Akroma's Vengeance
1 Entreat the Angels
1 Steelshaper's Gift
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Terminus
I'm currently in the process of agonizing what to cut out for some functional cards that would help the deck out by leaps and bounds. Stuff like Sun Titan, Leyline of Anticipation, and (most importantly) Tormod's Crypt.
Any suggestions, questions, or tips would be much appreciated.
www.commandercast.com
Commandercast on Tumblr!
My EDH/Commander List:
Wedges:
Numot, the Devastator RWU
Damia, Sage of Stone GUB
Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
Olivia Voldaren
The point of Spellbook over something like Library or Venser's Journal was that it's a free-cast card. I wanted to conserve as much mana for counterspells or doing other things as possible, so a hand holder for 0 is a good thing to have. It's also less of a target because it doesn't do anything I've found, unlike journal which will get you noticed a lot faster.
That's also the same reason I cut out pillow-fort cards. They tend to draw more attention for me than they repel. It's easier to have a subtle board presence than a couple of walls that say "please don't hit me" with a group of guys who want to disobey the signs.
www.commandercast.com
Commandercast on Tumblr!
My EDH/Commander List:
Wedges:
Numot, the Devastator RWU
Damia, Sage of Stone GUB
Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
Olivia Voldaren
Hope I didn't necro this thread lol. I was thinking of making my own Numot list so I just clicked on the first thread in the decklist database.
And no, this is a fairly new thread so there's no necro-encroachment to worry about.
www.commandercast.com
Commandercast on Tumblr!
My EDH/Commander List:
Wedges:
Numot, the Devastator RWU
Damia, Sage of Stone GUB
Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
Olivia Voldaren
I run a heavy control raka build.
I wanted to offer a few constructive criticisms. Take from them what you will.
1. Dawn charm is better than safe passage. It counters spells like mind twist, bribery, and the like. It also fogs! Last but not least it can regenerate a creature.
2. Ith, high arcanist should be swapped out for skull clamp. Skull clamp plus assemble the legion, elspeth, and mobilization is a boss. Though I recommend running more elspeth variations over mobilization. Don't even try sacred Mesa it sucks because it eats our mana.
3. Cut spell book for library of leng, leng synergies with best red card in our colours: wild research! It is also good with gamble.
4. Your build is control heavy like mine. You should consider things like goblin welder, wurmcoil engine, and sun titan.
5. Land tax plus scroll rack is a thing.
6. Archaeomancer plus capsize is a thing
7. Aethersworn canonist, pure steel paladin, and copy artifact are all very good in your build.
8. Stonecloaker is a white edh auto include. Wait tell they says target and exile it, bounce stonecloaker back to your hand. Controls all day.
I've recently built my own Numot deck and your list looked like a good starting point. However, I've made a few changes. I'm super excited for this Commander 2013 card:
Oh yeahhhhh...
Theros has cards like Curse of the Swine, Elspeth, Sun's Champion, Anger of the Gods, Omenspeaker, Daxos of Meletis, Spear of Heliod, and Gods Willing that could potentially make the deck.
HOLD IT!!! Did you just call something an "auto-include"? That's a no-no, my friend. There are plenty of white decks that do not need nor want stonecloaker. Granted, my deck would benefit from some more graveyard hate, but if you're pairing white with cards of other colors that are already very strong in graveyard hate, I'd rather not be leaving three mana open for a source of graveyard hate that can be killed in response to its own trigger, especially when my ways of getting it back are very little.
The kinds of cards I DO count as auto-includes are very, very small. Stonecloaker is a good card, but I would never consider it an auto-include or a staple.
Yes, I haven't gotten around to updating ANY of my wedge decks with the new Theros cards. It's a project that usually goes on for a month or two. But there are definitely plenty of cards I want to run, no doubts about it.
www.commandercast.com
Commandercast on Tumblr!
My EDH/Commander List:
Wedges:
Numot, the Devastator RWU
Damia, Sage of Stone GUB
Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
Olivia Voldaren