Thanks for that. It completely slipped my mind. Added to budget section.
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Another thing is MAYBE Ancient Tomb. Although really thinking about it, it was around 10 for so long and people probably would have them. The only other 2 land is City of Traitors, so moving along, you could probably say Crystal Vein as a functional replacement (As I assume that its there to speed out 'Plasm) and with Loam in the deck, the sac part isnt as terrible as normally would be.
I actually rarely cast plasm. But it's a quick way to play the more broken spells (Living death/Greater good
I had no idea tomb went up. After checking it out I found it for 25 on average. Don't think that's too bad personally but I'll throw it on there as well.
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You have Intuition on the list and TCG has that at 31. I just know that Tomb shot up (Painter in Legacy if memory serves), and it sits around 25-30 depending on how well painter does, so it seemed close enough.
Im building a "Budget" version of this. Its more or less me not wanting to cannabalize my other decks. Im trying to cover every base, so I can play to my moods. I kinda needed a "gy-based" deck to abuse my meta choosing not to run gy hate in almost any form for a long time now, and this primer caught my eye. I think the only major change I'd end up doing is running Trike+Lord Combo as it can easily close out a game.....
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Pithing Needle. Theft. Against a well-built Derevi you will probably lose more often than not. Too fast, too strong. It usually takes multiple players to keep a good Derevi in check.
My playgroup has an insanely competitive Derveri deck and usually the best best is to set up Jin in graveyard and reanimate with plenty of counterspell back up. Search for Swan Song and Force of will (Make sure you have another blue card in hand) and reanimate. All you have to do is survive the turn and you're golden. Sylvan Safekeeper works very well here too. The issue with that is actually setting that up before that bird butthead does his thing. I'm personally thinking of adding more counters anyway so there's that.
Or you could play Roon and destroy him every time
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Roon is slow and much too fair. Jin takes too many cards to setup: a tutor to find him, a discard outlet, and a reanimate spell, with counter backup? Theft and tuck are the best means to slow down or cripple Derevi.
Any suggestions for against him then? I think Sheoldred may be a better reanimate target or maybe an army of rune scarred copies.
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Gilded Drake, Sower of Temptation, and Roil Elemental. Trinket Mage into Pithing Needle is also good. Bounce into Time Spiral or Timetwister is another option. That's all I can think of at the moment
Drake is a great card and usually works. I find the other two too slow/fragile.
Personally I think going the LD route with terastodon is the best bet. Follow up with a pernicious deed and copy that bad copy until the derevi player has no lands ever. It's a hard match up but it's very doable.
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Also, any cards from Journey into Nyx seem good for the deck? I didn't see any in my first run through but who knows?
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I almost think I like Felwar Stone over Talisman in budget suggestion. I know if I ran your list in my meta, the only color I'd have trouble with would be green. Black is in everyone's deck and the main player plays blue and has to have blue out...
just another suggestion you can put down really.... pickings are slim between Talisman, Stone or a signet
Personally I'm not a fan of depending on peoples lands due to the mass LD we run, I'll edit the budget selection a bit
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Roon is slow and much too fair. Jin takes too many cards to setup: a tutor to find him, a discard outlet, and a reanimate spell, with counter backup? Theft and tuck are the best means to slow down or cripple Derevi.
Usually I tutor (Vamp, mystical, demonic) for entomb. That takes away the creature and discard step. End of turn throw Jin in there and then reanimate. Having a reanimation spell plus a counter with enough mana for both isn't uncommon.
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Entomb is amazing and would never cut it for a dork, don't have survival though. I've started trying to slot her in, only card in the set I want besides the scry land. It's defiantly worth a test slot though, dumping a fatty and a tutor in one card. Yes please.
Entomb is amazing and would never cut it for a dork, don't have survival though. I've started trying to slot her in, only card in the set I want besides the scry land. It's defiantly worth a test slot though, dumping a fatty and a tutor in one card. Yes please.
I dont think he was saying that he was going to cut those. He was saying that he can use looters/dorks with Disciple of Deceit in order to find Entomb/Survival/Tutors. Also, using her requires your fatties to be of the same cmc which can be pretty tricky.
Disciple looks very cool and I almost wish I could use it in my Mimeoplasm deck, but I would need to build around it more, and since I am not playing reanimator, it doesn't work so well. Please test it and let us know what you think.
My thoughts are adding Disciple and personal tutor to make getting entomb easier. Getting entomb or survival pretty much cuts out the creature/discard effects and means I just need a reanimation spell to continue.
Probably adding drake for against Zur and Derveri decks since it's hard for them to come back from that.
Adding Negate and/or Glen Elendra to have more back up as well.
Thinking of cutting scavenging ooze since it's not great unless I'm playing against another reanimator deck and even then I'm more worried about them reanimating my own things. Not sure what else to cut though. Thoughts?
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Traded for a Personal tutor and took it out after one game. Didn't see that it's sorcery only. I feel stupid now. Fetching Reanimate or something else doesn't seem optimal
-Gaze of granite-Pernicous deed does it better, don't think I need two anymore
-Scavenging ooze- I am the graveyard deck, actually had this bribery'd on me before. That sucked
-Insidious dreams- Much worse vamp tutor that hurt if my spell I searched for gets countered (Usually does)
-Forest-Got more blue cards today
+Island- More blue
+Negate- Was personal tutor but having another counter seems relevant
+Gilded drake- Hurts Zur and Derevi immensely
+Glen Elendra archmage- Another means of deck protection
Play against my friends ultra competitive Derevi deck with gilded drake. I went three games without using it to check out first. It went ok but seemed more in favor of derveri.
Finding drake and switching helped a lot. It pretty much stops derevi from doing it's normal thing. If drake dies it's easy to reanimate and do again. Watch out for Homeward path though
Against decks like Zur or Derevi I'd suggest a turn two jin if possible, otherwise try to gain control and go from there. It's hard but manageable.
Edit: I also Mana drain'd a tormods crypt today. Never thought that would happen.
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-Gaze of granite-Pernicous deed does it better, don't think I need two anymore
-Scavenging ooze- I am the graveyard deck, actually had this bribery'd on me before. That sucked
-Insidious dreams- Much worse vamp tutor that hurt if my spell I searched for gets countered (Usually does)
-Forest-Got more blue cards today
Edit: I also Mana drain'd a tormods crypt today. Never thought that would happen.
So I took apart my esper list and built BUG on mtgo using your deck list (minus the ABU duals and fetches) along with a few other cards I thought could be replaced....and 2 of them you listed (ooze and insidious).
@ Mana draining tormonds scrypt: from what I remember in legacy/standard, if you have a dominate board control, throw 2-for-1s to keep that board presence. A threat is a threat.
Using Mana drain on a 0 cmc thing apparently gets a lot of confused looks. People didn't seem to get that I had a full graveyard and vamp tutor in my hand. Next turn I living death'd for the win. Damn grave hate >.>. Maybe a Witchbane orb would fit well in here. Probably not though
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Cyclonic Rift: Leviathan does it better, with any enchantment you can wipe the board and with necromancy you can at instant speed. Sure you wipe your own things but if you have a good board a cyclonic rift is not great anyway. Besides 7 mana is much harder than 3
Defense of the heart: Mostly a meta choice. My group runs very few creature based decks so this is often a dead card. If you run this you should also run Forbidden orchard. Nothing funnier than countering something with Swan song to get something a third creature.
Krosan Grip- Not being countered is irrelevant usually when it comes to Beast within and Purify so I don't think it's needed.
Tooth and nail- I don't run this because in my playgroup by the time you have nine mana someone should have won. That's all
Maelstrom Pulse- Would be in but I replaced it with Putrefy since that's an instant. Blowing up two sol rings or tokens doesn't matter much to me
Voidslime- Whoops. That should probably be in here honestly.
Crucible of Worlds- Personally I like life from the loam in this build better because of dredge. Don't think I need both since most of the spells I have are extremely low mana
Liliana of the veil- Had her in for a while. Probably better when games last longer but for her main ability being able to discard doesn't sound that great. Rather loot personally. Maybe will add her again though
damnation- Living death does it better. Maybe will add if I need another wipe.
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540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyI had no idea tomb went up. After checking it out I found it for 25 on average. Don't think that's too bad personally but I'll throw it on there as well.
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Im building a "Budget" version of this. Its more or less me not wanting to cannabalize my other decks. Im trying to cover every base, so I can play to my moods. I kinda needed a "gy-based" deck to abuse my meta choosing not to run gy hate in almost any form for a long time now, and this primer caught my eye. I think the only major change I'd end up doing is running Trike+Lord Combo as it can easily close out a game.....
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyIf you're using trike/mike there may be more changed you'd want to use (Add necrotice ooze and counters)
I like the combo fine but chron can protect itself which is the main reason I use it in my meta filled with spot removal.
Edit: I can't read. I saw Trike Lord which seems awesome. I'd totally put that in but I'm not a fan of depending on the generals to finish games.
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Any tips for the matchup?
BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden EDH
GAzusa, Always in a Rush EDH
GWUDerevi, Empyrial Warlord EDH
Trade thread on MOTL
Follow the 1v1 banlist where derevi is banned as a commander?
Or you could play Roon and destroy him every time
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BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden EDH
GAzusa, Always in a Rush EDH
GWUDerevi, Empyrial Warlord EDH
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Any suggestions for against him then? I think Sheoldred may be a better reanimate target or maybe an army of rune scarred copies.
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BRGrenzo, Dungeon Warden EDH
GAzusa, Always in a Rush EDH
GWUDerevi, Empyrial Warlord EDH
Trade thread on MOTL
Personally I think going the LD route with terastodon is the best bet. Follow up with a pernicious deed and copy that bad copy until the derevi player has no lands ever. It's a hard match up but it's very doable.
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+Gilded drake - Hurts Derveri and Zur decks (Hurts other decks too but not as much) and can be reanimated easy
+Negate- Thinking that 7-8 counters may be best.
What do people think should be removed?
Also, any cards from Journey into Nyx seem good for the deck? I didn't see any in my first run through but who knows?
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just another suggestion you can put down really.... pickings are slim between Talisman, Stone or a signet
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Usually I tutor (Vamp, mystical, demonic) for entomb. That takes away the creature and discard step. End of turn throw Jin in there and then reanimate. Having a reanimation spell plus a counter with enough mana for both isn't uncommon.
Also: Thoughts on this fellow?
Disciple of Deceit
Looters => Survival of the fittest
Dorks =>Entomb/Tutors
Doesn't seem insane since it needs to attack but I think it may have a spot.
Thoughts?
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Nin's theft
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I dont think he was saying that he was going to cut those. He was saying that he can use looters/dorks with Disciple of Deceit in order to find Entomb/Survival/Tutors. Also, using her requires your fatties to be of the same cmc which can be pretty tricky.
Disciple looks very cool and I almost wish I could use it in my Mimeoplasm deck, but I would need to build around it more, and since I am not playing reanimator, it doesn't work so well. Please test it and let us know what you think.
Probably adding drake for against Zur and Derveri decks since it's hard for them to come back from that.
Adding Negate and/or Glen Elendra to have more back up as well.
Thinking of cutting scavenging ooze since it's not great unless I'm playing against another reanimator deck and even then I'm more worried about them reanimating my own things. Not sure what else to cut though. Thoughts?
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Nin's theft
Mill all decks
bruna blink
Traded for a Personal tutor and took it out after one game. Didn't see that it's sorcery only. I feel stupid now. Fetching Reanimate or something else doesn't seem optimal
-Gaze of granite-Pernicous deed does it better, don't think I need two anymore
-Scavenging ooze- I am the graveyard deck, actually had this bribery'd on me before. That sucked
-Insidious dreams- Much worse vamp tutor that hurt if my spell I searched for gets countered (Usually does)
-Forest-Got more blue cards today
+Island- More blue
+Negate- Was personal tutor but having another counter seems relevant
+Gilded drake- Hurts Zur and Derevi immensely
+Glen Elendra archmage- Another means of deck protection
Play against my friends ultra competitive Derevi deck with gilded drake. I went three games without using it to check out first. It went ok but seemed more in favor of derveri.
Finding drake and switching helped a lot. It pretty much stops derevi from doing it's normal thing. If drake dies it's easy to reanimate and do again. Watch out for Homeward path though
Against decks like Zur or Derevi I'd suggest a turn two jin if possible, otherwise try to gain control and go from there. It's hard but manageable.
Edit: I also Mana drain'd a tormods crypt today. Never thought that would happen.
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So I took apart my esper list and built BUG on mtgo using your deck list (minus the ABU duals and fetches) along with a few other cards I thought could be replaced....and 2 of them you listed (ooze and insidious).
@ Mana draining tormonds scrypt: from what I remember in legacy/standard, if you have a dominate board control, throw 2-for-1s to keep that board presence. A threat is a threat.
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Also some stuff that was brought up today:
Why no?
Cyclonic Rift: Leviathan does it better, with any enchantment you can wipe the board and with necromancy you can at instant speed. Sure you wipe your own things but if you have a good board a cyclonic rift is not great anyway. Besides 7 mana is much harder than 3
Defense of the heart: Mostly a meta choice. My group runs very few creature based decks so this is often a dead card. If you run this you should also run Forbidden orchard. Nothing funnier than countering something with Swan song to get something a third creature.
Krosan Grip- Not being countered is irrelevant usually when it comes to Beast within and Purify so I don't think it's needed.
Tooth and nail- I don't run this because in my playgroup by the time you have nine mana someone should have won. That's all
worldy tutor- Maybe? I think finding things like Survival of the fittest, Bazaar of Baghdad, and Entomb is much more important
Maelstrom Pulse- Would be in but I replaced it with Putrefy since that's an instant. Blowing up two sol rings or tokens doesn't matter much to me
Voidslime- Whoops. That should probably be in here honestly.
Crucible of Worlds- Personally I like life from the loam in this build better because of dredge. Don't think I need both since most of the spells I have are extremely low mana
Liliana of the veil- Had her in for a while. Probably better when games last longer but for her main ability being able to discard doesn't sound that great. Rather loot personally. Maybe will add her again though
damnation- Living death does it better. Maybe will add if I need another wipe.
hero's downfall- Next addition if I need spot removal.
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