I came up with this deck after seeing a very amazing jund/reanimator deck laugh and dance all over my other stax deck. His deck was immune to my Crap and as a result I decided to combine the two.
This deck is confusing to pilot. You need to be good at reading board states, asking how many cards the guy playing blue with 5 untapped lands has in hand, looking at yards, and being very vocal politically.
A large grave yard + a swamp in play is going to raise eyebrows and draw attention. So is a winter orb. This deck is a violent car wreck that is being catered by a clown on stills juggling babies. People are going to look over and wonder; "what the **** is going on over there?".
How it works is; you just don't care about lands or doing normal stuff. Just ruin the game and then win. This sounds terrible, but the deck has numerous ways of doing this.
First off. Mana doesn't matter. As you can see the mana base is very basic. So the deck is none threatening there. Doing nothing but ruin is key. Slow the game down. the deck is built to spend very little mana to put a large threat into play. Jacked up board states is the best place to be here.
Second: don't be greedy with your yard. Sitting around ruining the game and drawing cards tand sculpting a hand is good. People get scared at seeing your deck vomited into the grave yard just to see an animate dead cast. You already have enough hate from locking **** up.
Third. Pick your moment. Played right, there will be the window where you can go; "sneak attack! Cheat in rune scarred demon, tutor up Jokulhaups, kill everything, play a mountain, sneak attack in rune scared demon, get life from the loam"
But as I mentioned above, the deck requires you to be very aware of what over players are doing. Dredging away and dropping all your obvious reanimator cards is going to tip every off and you're going to eat a Bojuka bog and return to dust. But played right, you can take a game over in one turn.
I won't be running dawn though.
A) too expensive. Ideally, the Baird state will be nobody has lands and there's a static orb or winter orb down so things have to be cheap. Basically I want the deck to operate off one land and a signet since I'm going to be really abusive with the land-o.
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Oversold cemetery could be helpful if you're getting rid of as many creatures as you say you are and could be a nice cheap way to abuse in conjunction with sneak attack. Draw 7's like Reforge the soul, Wheel of Fortune, and Memory Jar are going to be nuts here you should add those as well, plus you have Goblin Welder to keep welding in Memory Jar. Wurmcoil Engine and Myr Battlesphere could act as finishers while also feeding your stax engines while also being able to be cheated in with said welder. that's all i got right now
I'm really liking your rough draft, definitely some interesting picks. And I'm enjoying discovering some stax effects that I previously did not know.
Advice/Tips:
- I'd get rid of some of your one shot recursion spells. Specifically, Noxious Revival and Reclaim. I've never been a fan of one shot effects in a recursion decks. You're not in Blue, so outside of Yawgmoth's Will, there's no real way to reuse them. Regrowth is good because it comes to your hand, the other's seem like they could be a hindrance by going to the top of your library.
- Nether traitor: I love this guy, he's been an all star in my Sek'kuar deck. I'd suggest him for anything running black and a sacrifice theme.
- Fulminator Mage: It's a body, its self sacrificing, and its easily recurred with your commander.
- I'm quite "meh" on the swords for a deck like this. Yes the effects are cool, and the protection is nice. But, were I to use equipment, I'd prefer hexproof or shroud. I'd much rather use the mana to do something else.
I hope this is useful. Good brewing!
I really like your suggestions. It's my first real reanimator deck.
What do you think about deathrite shaman here?
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I keep flip flopping on Deathrite Shaman. I love the card itself, but I can't decide if I like it for EDH. It's great for sniping dredge/flashback cards and lands when an opponent has crucible on line. The damage is hardly ever significant, but since these type decks tend to do a ton of damage to itself, the life gain is very useful.
Hrmm, I think I've convinced myself to give Shaman a new look. I'm more a fan of exile the whole graveyard effects, but this let's you "spread the love" if you will.
I'm on the fence about running huge GY bombs, as I think I can out race that game. Shaman would be, just as you said, used for picking off problem cards.
He can also go into mana dork mode after a land wipe.
I'm definitely going to test him, since I'm sick of it just sitting in my collection.
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Deathrite Shaman seems like he should be as cool as Trading Post, right? Options, magic players love options. I think his biggest liability though is he has to tap to do stuff, so has to live once around the table, and then people know when they can play around him. Most times I'd prefer Withered Wretch, even though I don't get 'value' from it.
It That Betrays sure loves him some Keldon Firebombers as well as Pox or even Smallpox. Any one of those seems like it would fit alright in this deck.
Deathrite Shaman seems like he should be as cool as Trading Post, right? Options, magic players love options. I think his biggest liability though is he has to tap to do stuff, so has to live once around the table, and then people know when they can play around him. Most times I'd prefer Withered Wretch, even though I don't get 'value' from it.
It That Betrays sure loves him some Keldon Firebombers as well as Pox or even Smallpox. Any one of those seems like it would fit alright in this deck.
yeah, added keldon firebombers to my list, as well as kokusho as another win con. I figure grabbing him to my hand/into and sneak attacking him in or sacking him to smoke stack would be good.
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So finally got a few games in today with the list I have up.
Won 2-1 games. Once it's up and running its hard to stop.
Loved deathrite shaman. He's earned a spot. After a land wipe he helps you stabilize insanely faster then the rest of the table.
And the stax elements work great In this type of deck since its super easy to just DT everything your loosing back.
As expected, yard hate sucks. Can't be greedy with the dredge.
Phil, you owe me a game this summer when I don't have classes anymore. I want to shut this down with Grixis.
Mostly because I care about you: I want all your future decks to improve and be prepared for the worst possibly match ups like any deck I've created. Hah, ha, ha.
Remember, that test against Norin? Landed an early Night of Souls' Betrayal, you weren't too happy with that play.
Phil, you owe me a game this summer when I don't have classes anymore. I want to shut this down with Grixis.
Mostly because I care about you: I want all your future decks to improve and be prepared for the worst possibly match ups like any deck I've created. Hah, ha, ha.
Remember, that test against Norin? Landed an early Night of Souls' Betrayal, you weren't too happy with that play.
I miss playing games with the playgroup.
It's a date. I love when my decks get mata hate. I get to hit the lab and then come back with answers.
You know you're a good deck builder and pilot when it's 3 vs 1 turn one.
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I have to say, you are right on the money with the Deathrite Shaman, he is a serious powerhouse for this deck. Loam was, of course, a complete and utter standout. It was terrible, you should really cut that card. /sarcasm.
One thing I was curious about since I didn't actually see it in our game was Vraska; how has she been performing for you? She can be a wincon for sure, but I've always been rather underwhelmed by her in general.
I have to say, you are right on the money with the Deathrite Shaman, he is a serious powerhouse for this deck. Loam was, of course, a complete and utter standout. It was terrible, you should really cut that card. /sarcasm.
One thing I was curious about since I didn't actually see it in our game was Vraska; how has she been performing for you? She can be a wincon for sure, but I've always been rather underwhelmed by her in general.
I haven't gotten to play her yet. I figure she curves nicely into Jokulhaups and would speed games up after wards.
I definitely want to see how she performs before I make a final decision.
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I'd like to see Chainer, Dementia Master in here for MOAR recursion. Terrain Generator is a great way to recover from lando, especially with Loam.
I'll second Balthor. He's a win-con. I have one if you need it. Genesis might not be bad, for a bit of recursion, in the event that your proper recursion engines go the way of the dinosaurs.
Jarad might have a slot here, as a way to GET THERE. Kokusho suddenly turns into 10 dmg each, or 20 if you run Wound Reflection. Tunnel Ignus punishes people for trying to recover quickly, but I don't think it'll make the cut.
There are my initial suggestions, bubba. I look forward to stomping you out with my own Jarad deck.
I'd like to see Chainer, Dementia Master in here for MOAR recursion. Terrain Generator is a great way to recover from lando, especially with Loam.
I'll second Balthor. He's a win-con. I have one if you need it. Genesis might not be bad, for a bit of recursion, in the event that your proper recursion engines go the way of the dinosaurs.
Jarad might have a slot here, as a way to GET THERE. Kokusho suddenly turns into 10 dmg each, or 20 if you run Wound Reflection. Tunnel Ignus punishes people for trying to recover quickly, but I don't think it'll make the cut.
There are my initial suggestions, bubba. I look forward to stomping you out with my own Jarad deck.
My meta runs a decen amount of yard hate, so anything having to sit around for 3 turns before it does anything isn't optimal. Genesis is too slow, needs to be in my yard, and only brings it to my hand during up keep. I don't run enough creatures for balthor to be worth it. So far, the deck has performed well. Remember it's built to work on 2-3 mana. So locki up things and keeping land off he table is how it wins then cheating in beaters is how it wins. I'm actually looking to cut nether traitor and reassembling skeleton. In all my games they just did nothing. Blood ghast and squee were plenty effective by themselves.
And when do you get back from saving the world again? I shalt demolish your puny Jarad eck.
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stax reanimator
I came up with this deck after seeing a very amazing jund/reanimator deck laugh and dance all over my other stax deck. His deck was immune to my Crap and as a result I decided to combine the two.
This deck is confusing to pilot. You need to be good at reading board states, asking how many cards the guy playing blue with 5 untapped lands has in hand, looking at yards, and being very vocal politically.
A large grave yard + a swamp in play is going to raise eyebrows and draw attention. So is a winter orb. This deck is a violent car wreck that is being catered by a clown on stills juggling babies. People are going to look over and wonder; "what the **** is going on over there?".
How it works is; you just don't care about lands or doing normal stuff. Just ruin the game and then win. This sounds terrible, but the deck has numerous ways of doing this.
First off. Mana doesn't matter. As you can see the mana base is very basic. So the deck is none threatening there. Doing nothing but ruin is key. Slow the game down. the deck is built to spend very little mana to put a large threat into play. Jacked up board states is the best place to be here.
Second: don't be greedy with your yard. Sitting around ruining the game and drawing cards tand sculpting a hand is good. People get scared at seeing your deck vomited into the grave yard just to see an animate dead cast. You already have enough hate from locking **** up.
Third. Pick your moment. Played right, there will be the window where you can go; "sneak attack! Cheat in rune scarred demon, tutor up Jokulhaups, kill everything, play a mountain, sneak attack in rune scared demon, get life from the loam"
But as I mentioned above, the deck requires you to be very aware of what over players are doing. Dredging away and dropping all your obvious reanimator cards is going to tip every off and you're going to eat a Bojuka bog and return to dust. But played right, you can take a game over in one turn.
1 Adun Oakenshield
Dudes
1 Braids, cabal minion
1 goblin welder
1 Sire of insanity
1 doomed necromancer
1 Seholdred, whispering one
1 Magus of the abyss
1 It that betrays
1 squee, goblin naboo
1 eternal witness
1 grave Titan
1 deathrite shaman
1 Keldon firebombers
1 master of cruelties
1 demir house guard
1 kokusho, the evening star
1 spikeweaver
1 creekwood liege
1 Underworld Cerberus
1 Spike Weaver
1 Graveborn Muse
Tutors and draw
1 demonic tutor
1 vampiric tutor
1 gamble
1 survival of the fittest
1 entomb
1 wheel of fortune
1 anvil of bogardan
1 sylvan library
1 Sensei's divining top
1 life from the loam
Stax and tax
1 smoke stack
1 destructive flow
1 price of glory
1 strangle hold
1 torpor orb
Lando
1 Jokulhaups
1 ruination
1 boom // bust
Removal
1 hull breach
1 beast within
1 putrefy
1 chaos warp
1 Krosan grip
1 damnation
1 death cloud
1 decree of pain
1 Dreadbore
1 Vandalblast
Beats
1 Sneak attack
1 Sword of light and shadow
Tokens
1 worm harvest
1 awakening zone
Rocks
1 golgari signet
1 rakdos signet
1 gruul signet
1 guilded lotus
1 sol ring
1 Thran dynamo
1 Tortured existence
1 yawgmoth's will
1 necromancy
1 animate dead
1 phyrexian reclamation
1 Ill-gotten Gains
1 crucible of worlds
Lands
6 snow covered swamps
6 snow covered forests
6 snow covered mountains
1 high market
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 phyrexian tower
1 blood crypt
1 dragonskull summit
1 overgrown tomb
1 woodland cemetery
1 rootbound crag
1 stomping ground
1 bloodstained mire
1 wooded foothills
1 verdant catacombs
1 bojuka bog
1 Kher keep
1 strip mine
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Torrent of Souls
Reanimate
Animate Dead
and.... Charnelhoard Wurm.
WUBRG Some of these decks can actually win games...WUBRG
How I know I should build a deck:
Treasured Find
Grim Discovery
Eternal Witness
Gleancrawler
To Field:
Hell's Caretaker
Doomed Necromancer
Nim Deathmantle
Corpse Dance
Dread Return
Exhume
Victimize
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I won't be running dawn though.
A) too expensive. Ideally, the Baird state will be nobody has lands and there's a static orb or winter orb down so things have to be cheap. Basically I want the deck to operate off one land and a signet since I'm going to be really abusive with the land-o.
The EDH stax primer
When you absolutely, positively got to kill every permanent in the room, accept no substitutes.
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EDH
[Primer] - BRG Adun Oakenshield: Jund Stax/Recycle Bin GRB
BRG Shatterbros Shenanigans GRB
Jokulhaups
Obliterate
Ruination
Boom/bust
For starters.
Blood moon and Magnus of the moon as well.
The EDH stax primer
When you absolutely, positively got to kill every permanent in the room, accept no substitutes.
Tectonic Break might work and Natural Balance might be a little to group huggy for you but what ever.
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WUBRG Some of these decks can actually win games...WUBRG
How I know I should build a deck:
The EDH stax primer
When you absolutely, positively got to kill every permanent in the room, accept no substitutes.
I really like your suggestions. It's my first real reanimator deck.
What do you think about deathrite shaman here?
The EDH stax primer
When you absolutely, positively got to kill every permanent in the room, accept no substitutes.
I'm on the fence about running huge GY bombs, as I think I can out race that game. Shaman would be, just as you said, used for picking off problem cards.
He can also go into mana dork mode after a land wipe.
I'm definitely going to test him, since I'm sick of it just sitting in my collection.
The EDH stax primer
When you absolutely, positively got to kill every permanent in the room, accept no substitutes.
It That Betrays sure loves him some Keldon Firebombers as well as Pox or even Smallpox. Any one of those seems like it would fit alright in this deck.
WUBRG Some of these decks can actually win games...WUBRG
How I know I should build a deck:
yeah, added keldon firebombers to my list, as well as kokusho as another win con. I figure grabbing him to my hand/into and sneak attacking him in or sacking him to smoke stack would be good.
The EDH stax primer
When you absolutely, positively got to kill every permanent in the room, accept no substitutes.
Won 2-1 games. Once it's up and running its hard to stop.
Loved deathrite shaman. He's earned a spot. After a land wipe he helps you stabilize insanely faster then the rest of the table.
And the stax elements work great In this type of deck since its super easy to just DT everything your loosing back.
As expected, yard hate sucks. Can't be greedy with the dredge.
The EDH stax primer
When you absolutely, positively got to kill every permanent in the room, accept no substitutes.
Phil, you owe me a game this summer when I don't have classes anymore. I want to shut this down with Grixis.
Mostly because I care about you: I want all your future decks to improve and be prepared for the worst possibly match ups like any deck I've created. Hah, ha, ha.
Remember, that test against Norin? Landed an early Night of Souls' Betrayal, you weren't too happy with that play.
I miss playing games with the playgroup.
EDH
BWG Doran Suicide Tempo BWG
BUW Sharuum Midrange Control BUW
It's a date. I love when my decks get mata hate. I get to hit the lab and then come back with answers.
You know you're a good deck builder and pilot when it's 3 vs 1 turn one.
The EDH stax primer
When you absolutely, positively got to kill every permanent in the room, accept no substitutes.
I have to say, you are right on the money with the Deathrite Shaman, he is a serious powerhouse for this deck. Loam was, of course, a complete and utter standout. It was terrible, you should really cut that card. /sarcasm.
One thing I was curious about since I didn't actually see it in our game was Vraska; how has she been performing for you? She can be a wincon for sure, but I've always been rather underwhelmed by her in general.
I haven't gotten to play her yet. I figure she curves nicely into Jokulhaups and would speed games up after wards.
I definitely want to see how she performs before I make a final decision.
The EDH stax primer
When you absolutely, positively got to kill every permanent in the room, accept no substitutes.
Terrain Generator is a great way to recover from lando, especially with Loam.
I'll second Balthor. He's a win-con. I have one if you need it.
Genesis might not be bad, for a bit of recursion, in the event that your proper recursion engines go the way of the dinosaurs.
Jarad might have a slot here, as a way to GET THERE. Kokusho suddenly turns into 10 dmg each, or 20 if you run Wound Reflection.
Tunnel Ignus punishes people for trying to recover quickly, but I don't think it'll make the cut.
There are my initial suggestions, bubba. I look forward to stomping you out with my own Jarad deck.
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:dimir:Lazav, I Drink Your Milkshake:dimir:
WUGRafiq, the BanthammerWUG
:izzet:Melek, Chaos Hug:izzet:
:symr:Krenko, C-C-C-Combo!:sympr:
My meta runs a decen amount of yard hate, so anything having to sit around for 3 turns before it does anything isn't optimal. Genesis is too slow, needs to be in my yard, and only brings it to my hand during up keep. I don't run enough creatures for balthor to be worth it. So far, the deck has performed well. Remember it's built to work on 2-3 mana. So locki up things and keeping land off he table is how it wins then cheating in beaters is how it wins. I'm actually looking to cut nether traitor and reassembling skeleton. In all my games they just did nothing. Blood ghast and squee were plenty effective by themselves.
And when do you get back from saving the world again? I shalt demolish your puny Jarad eck.
The EDH stax primer
When you absolutely, positively got to kill every permanent in the room, accept no substitutes.