The Humongous Fungus (Ghave Abuse)

  • #76
    Quote from Alarin Lachanar
    Lately I've been tinkering with a Ghave deck myself. My build is more "Synergistic Aggro" focusing on winning by token swarm or by general damage.

    I'd prefer not to use either Ashnod's Altar or Earthcraft as a matter of principle, but I am wondering if there are any infinite combos still available to me without these two cards?



    Though not infinite, if you have sufficient mana, you can pump up an infecter to lethal poison before damage but after blockers are declared. That is pretty brutal.
  • #77
    Quote from Alarin Lachanar
    I'd prefer not to use either Ashnod's Altar or Earthcraft as a matter of principle, but I am wondering if there are any infinite combos still available to me without these two cards?


    Ghave and Woodfall Priums. You're all set.
  • #78
    Quote from Alarin Lachanar
    Lately I've been tinkering with a Ghave deck myself. My build is more "Synergistic Aggro" focusing on winning by token swarm or by general damage.

    I'd prefer not to use either Ashnod's Altar or Earthcraft as a matter of principle, but I am wondering if there are any infinite combos still available to me without these two cards?



    The loss of earthcraft and the altar, while it would slow the deck down, there are just so many combos you will still probably find something that can go infinite with all of the interactions in this deck.

    Quote from InsuranceMan
    Ghave and Woodfall Priums. You're all set.


    don't forget puppeteer clique.
    Last edited by u-579: 7/19/2011 10:24:04 PM


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  • #79
    How has Citanul Hierophants been working for you, viper? Because all our sporedudes have summoning sickness, this guy is a sad creature version of Earthcraft that is not larkable. How has he been playing for you?
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  • #80
    I was looking over your list card by card to see if I could find anything else eyebrow raising that we hadn't talked about already, and I also have to ask about Citanul Hierophants it just seems so meh. I guess it could be ok if you had to go slow, but it still doesn't seem that good, now if it was more heritage druid like it would easily be Earthcraft #2 but its not and I have to wonder does it deserve a spot?

    I think that the only other thing that I have to ask about it Eldrazi Monument . Is it any good? I have no base to judge it on so I really don't know about it.

    So also, I may be taking a slightly modified version of my Ghave deck to an EDH tournament, and I think this deck has the speed to win. However, I've been thinking about it a little, and I'm concerned that I will lose to other faster combo deck like sharuum if I see them. The tournament does use the new French list, which does seem to try to weaken combo, and causes this list to loose vamp tutor and top, but I have been trying to think of something that I could use to disrupt some of the more common combos without being too clunky in the rest of the deck. Since I'm out of ideas do you have any idea of any good disruption pieces


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  • #81
    I would say no to Citanul Hierophants (though I would still like you opinion on it, viper) and yes to Eldrazi Monument. It's just amazing protection and a piece of cake to keep it sated.

    Krosan Grip is probably the best disruption card in these colours.
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  • #82
    Quote from Shishizaru
    I would say no to Citanul Hierophants (though I would still like you opinion on it, viper) and yes to Eldrazi Monument. It's just amazing protection and a piece of cake to keep it sated.

    Krosan Grip is probably the best disruption card in these colours.


    that's what I was thinking about the monument, but I think that this deck is trying to move towards winning on the turn you go off instead of having to pass the turn, so i thought that its potential value might be decreasing(feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

    I already run k-grip, maybe I'm just being paranoid, its not like I don't already run 6 different pieces of direct removal.
    Edit: 7 I forgot one Smile


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  • #83
    When we're not winning, we're trying to get there. I think that the Monument fulfills one of two things I want to be doing while finding a wincon:
    1. Protect my dudes
    2. CA

    I understand that you haven't yet updated the original list, viper, but Seedborn Muse. How good is it in here? I'd sooner remove that than Monument.
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    Emmara is like the worst parts of Legends and Homelands got pregnant, aborted the fetus, tossed it in the trashcan, set it on fire and wrapped the corpse in a Dragon's Maze pack wrapper.
  • #84
    Quote from Shishizaru
    When we're not winning, we're trying to get there. I think that the Monument fulfills one of two things I want to be doing while finding a wincon:
    1. Protect my dudes
    2. CA

    I understand that you haven't yet updated the original list, viper, but Seedborn Muse. How good is it in here? I'd sooner remove that than Monument.



    I'm still not convinced of it, I guess the next time I have an opening I'll through it in there and see what happens. I guess i just have a case of Screw great expectations, I have unrealistic expectations for my cards.


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  • #85
    I am having problems with board wipe, I combo'd out twice in a game earlier(two different combo's), and both times, I was wiped.

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  • #86
    Hierophants and Muse are both there for gas when I fail to combo. And they are both really good in that situation. Again, I'll have to see how the changes go, and how frequently I actually fail. If I find myself just comboing off basically all the time, they might have to go. But I will say that if I get to T&N mana without having won, Muse and Primus are my go-to targets.

    Quote from trancer99
    I am having problems with board wipe, I combo'd out twice in a game earlier(two different combo's), and both times, I was wiped.

    See post 57 for some suggestions of how to win before that can happen.
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  • #87
    Quote from viperesque
    Hierophants and Muse are both there for gas when I fail to combo. And they are both really good in that situation. Again, I'll have to see how the changes go, and how frequently I actually fail. If I find myself just comboing off basically all the time, they might have to go. But I will say that if I get to T&N mana without having won, Muse and Primus are my go-to targets.


    See post 57 for some suggestions of how to win before that can happen.



    I think that after the deck changes that their importance will decrease imo. And after that, I think that their spots would be better use to increase reliability further, but either way you will have to see when you change the deck.

    I still want to know how the monument has been.

    Edit: I just had another thought looking at primetime's page on the .info, from the games where everything goes to plan cards like it aren't really in the list of spells I want to cast. I know he is good and all, but I'd rather play something that furthers the combo. So I was wondering do you think that it would be a viable option to cut out the cards that are more for contingency if you get disrupted or are on higher costed cards that are more generic utility, since the combos themselves are so redundant themselves, and go hard core combo? Or am I just crazy at this late hour of night, and this idea wont work since we don't have access to blue to ensure that the game goes our way.
    Last edited by u-579: 7/21/2011 2:04:15 AM


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  • #88
    Call me crazy but after playing a few games last night I am almost ready to scrap Grave Pact and Attrition in favor of something that does not scream "Look at me!!! I am playing Shenanigans!!!" For one, they slowed me down, and I think I only got 1 removal each from them. One thing I did notice as Viper has, you need buttloads of ramp to make this smooth. I was one land shy of a combo for several turns, then I got my Mirari's Wake, combo'd out, got Wrath of God'd, and then they took my Mirari's Wake *Sad Panda Face*

    So today I am ordering a Farseek and Skyshroud Claim

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  • #89
    Quote from trancer99
    Call me crazy but after playing a few games last night I am almost ready to scrap Grave Pact and Attrition in favor of something that does not scream "Look at me!!! I am playing Shenanigans!!!" For one, they slowed me down, and I think I only got 1 removal each from them. One thing I did notice as Viper has, you need buttloads of ramp to make this smooth. I was one land shy of a combo for several turns, then I got my Mirari's Wake, combo'd out, got Wrath of God'd, and then they took my Mirari's Wake *Sad Panda Face*

    So today I am ordering a Farseek and Skyshroud Claim


    Do you run any way to win on the spot? If you don't that would also help with that problem. I only play grave pact when I need to either make people play around it or when I need to make some creatures disappear, otherwise I just leave it in my hand until I need it. Because of this, I have been almost able to completely lock down the board with a pact.

    What ramp do you already run?


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  • #90
    I am probably guilty of playing Grave Pact wrong, as I just threw it out when I got enough B to cast it since I was having mana issues.

    Last night I was running

    Darksteel Ingot
    Cultivate
    Sakura Tribe Elder
    Birds of Paradise
    Mirari's Wake
    Yavimaya Elder
    Wood Elves
    Sol Ring
    with 38 lands.

    Today I added

    Primeval Titan
    Oracle of Mul Daya
    Kodama's Reach
    Mana Reflection (I thought it was in there, though it would not have mattered, by the time I died I only had 5 lands out)

    I am thinking of Ordering

    Skyshroud Claim
    Farseek

    I am very much seeing what you were talking about, when you said this deck hurts your brain, I hit that a few times last night.

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  • #91
    Quote from trancer99
    I am probably guilty of playing Grave Pact wrong, as I just threw it out when I got enough B to cast it since I was having mana issues.


    I just wait to play it until I need it since as soon as most people see it they enter kill destroy mode. Though I wouldn't run attrition, because of its activation cost.

    Also you might want to look at Nature's lore, Three visits, and Spoils of Victory if you run nonbasic forests. But otherwise I would have thought that you would have had access to more than enough mana with that setup, unless something funny was going on like LD.
    Last edited by u-579: 7/21/2011 11:17:48 AM


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  • #92
    This thread has been quite helpful in polishing up my build. I'll post my list later when I get home. Smile

    My original build was more "goodstuff" than combo, but I made the transition. The deck is very much focused on grabbing those combos now. I need a Sterling Grove and Idyllic Tutor and I'll be happy. Oh and maybe figure out a way to squeeze in Bitter Ordeal as another same-turn win.
  • #93
    Shuma which same-turn win-cons do you already run? I think that Bitter Ordeal might be good as not just a win con but also as protection or a proactive way to kick the legs out from under a good number of decks. However, I don't run it and I don't think that anybody else is, so if it does end up in your deck, let us know how well it works in practice.


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  • #94
    That is true. It's a versatile card for sure. It's fitting for this deck (multi-purpose cards and redundancy). I'm almost certain I'll be pleased with it. I'm playing tonight so I'll see how it works out.

    As far as other same-turn wins I only have Trike and Akroma's Memorial. I absolutely love Blasting Station--that'll be another one I get. Those 4 plus my "turn after" wins and various 'Lark combos should be plenty. I love the redundancy and backup plans in this deck. It's pretty st00pid. Wink
  • #95
    This deck sounds stupid silly and stupid fun to play :DXD. But on that note, I have a few questions...

    Is there more of a budget option for Vindicate, and maybe some of the other uber expensive cards? The most I can currently justify spending on a card is about $15, which is good for Demonic Tutor and Elspeth 1.0. I can suck it up and slowly pick up things like Earthcraft, since they're only about $10.

    ...Fudge, I forgot my other question. ^ That'll do for now though.
  • #96
    Quote from Sanity"s_Eclipse

    Is there more of a budget option for Vindicate, and maybe some of the other uber expensive cards? The most I can currently justify spending on a card is about $15, which is good for Demonic Tutor and Elspeth 1.0. I can suck it up and slowly pick up things like Earthcraft, since they're only about $10.


    Simple, Mortify, Putrefy. I personally like them more even, instant-speed makes a huge difference. All things considered, this is fairly expensive deck to build, though.

    By the way, Bitter Ordeal is indeed a very useful wincon.
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  • #97
    Derp. lol, forgot about those two.

    Ya know, I just traded for one the other day :D.
  • #98
    Two cards that have proven to be surprisingly good in my own deck-testing is Mirror Entity and Rhys the Redeemed.

    Also, have you considered Saffi Eriksdotter ? While a superb card on her own, I've managed to pull of things such as using her ability on Ghave, shooting off all his +1/+1 counters to make Saprolings, and then have him come back with another 5 counters due to Saffi.
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  • #99
    Okay I got a question, I noticed all of you guys are running Seedborn Muse and my question is, if I do a combo on someone else's turn, can I attack on my turn? thus saying "before the end of your end phase I do this..." then its my turn and i have 10 billion screaming shrubberies? or do I have to do it by the attack phase a turn before my turn? I am not sure how the timing works. or can I even combo on someone else's turn?

    Is that how you guys are using Seedborn?

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  • #100
    yes, that is one way of doing it, because you can attack with everything. Seedborn muse just has a lot of applications in a deck like this, which is why it's in.
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