MTG Salvation

After being beat down by Ghave and his buddy Lumberknot last week I wanna try my hand at building the deck to see. Plus I got him laying around with the rest of counter punch and some thing needs to be done with those cards

The main theme is +1/+1 Counters making big creatures, and also tokens with a sub theme of sac'ing for profit. I am sure there are stuff that can be cut from what I have at the moment, I think I doubled up on some things that might be a little over done but I figure add tons, then cutting the deck down was better then trying to cut in the middle of the deck making.

The deck so far:



I am looking for some help rounding out the deck.

I have been running a Ghave deck myself, so I have a few ideas. Mine focuses on making lots of tokens and winning with mass attacks and anthems, so we have some differences.

• I found Attrition to be a lot less useful then you'd think.
• Because you want large and numerous creatures, I'd cut some wrath effects. I run only Decree of Pain (Ghave makes it easy to get a huge profit), if you want a second I'd go with Austere Command.
• Ok, it is technically another Wrath effect, but Martial Coup synergizes great with your tokens. Don't forget that Sigil Captain will buff the tokens even if he dies in the destruction part.
• Add a Primeval Titan. He is amazingly good. I generally fetch 2 Ravnica Bouncelands, effectively putting me up +4 mana even if he dies right away.
• Consider Storm Herd. Unless someone wraths right away, you will usually win. Plus, flying horses are awesome.
• I see Earthcraft, where is Squirrel Nest? Infinite squirrel = fun times.
• I would cut Plaguemaw Beast. He's slow and clunky, something like Contagion Clasp seems more effective.
• Consider Woodfall Primus. He's good on his own, and he combos with your general to blow up non-creatures repeatedly for 3 each.
• Consider Garruk Wildspeaker. The ramp, mana fixing, and overrun are all very useful, and people usually don't attack him out of spite. He even makes tokens!
• Consider Eldrazi Monument. Besides the obvious, he's another combo with your Pariah effects.
• Consider Decree of Justice. It makes 2 kinds of tokens! Plus, it often works as a great combat trick that nets you an extra card.
• Because you have doubling season, I'd recommend running Elspeth, Knight Errant. She comes in with double counters, so you can immediately ultimate her. Plus she's great with a giant Lumberknot and she makes tokens.
• Chord of Calling goes great with tokens and some of the creatures you probably want to tutor out.
• Consider putting in some more ramp. EDH is all about big spells, and they need lots of mana. Coalition Relic is a star, as well as the other usual suspects (see any sigged EDH list, particularly of someone running green mana). Also, Murmuring Bosk fixes all our colors and is a forest, allowing easy fetching.
• A giant lumberknot deserves a Loxodon Warhammer, or its Alara variant.

I like your Pariah combo with your various "prevent and add" effects. Very cool!

While some of these are probably not what you are looking for, hopefully I have been generally helpful. Good luck, tokens is a blast.

ps. Don't forget to collect all the various token cards (or print proxies). I made 2 of each, so I can have a tapped and untapped pile. No one likes trying to figure out what are angels, soldiers, and saprolings.

- Forgotten Ancient seems perfect for this deck
- Mikaeus, the Lunarch and/or Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
- Agree on Woodfall Primus. Not only does he have synergy with Ghave, but he can go infinite with a recurrable sac outlet (such as Ashnod's Altar or Phyrexian Altar, both of which are in your deck) plus Juniper Order Ranger (or Mikaeus the Unhallowed, if you add that in)
- Protean Hydra and/or Primordial Hydra
- Gavony Township and/or Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
- Blade of the Bloodchief
- Scavenging Ooze
- Mycoloth
- Increasing Savagery (not sure if this would be worth it, but if your deck is built around +1/+1 counters, it might be)
- Triskelion
- Mephidross Vampire
- Carrion Feeder (if you need another sac outlet)

Hope some of these were helpful

Also consider Eternal Witness. It falls into the category of "one of green's best EDH cards", and recurs any of your cool synergy/combo plays.

If you are looking for other ways to sac tokens for profit, Mind Slash and Sadistic Hypnotist are good for controlling people's hands. ....downside being that discard can draw alot of hate

SO here is the list with some of the cards you guys suggested. 62 Cards I think not counting the Non-basic lands...so I dont know what i might wanna cut for some ramp spells....

Geralf's messenger with Ashnod's Altar and Ghave just wins you the game.

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Geralf's messenger with Ashnod's Altar and Ghave just wins you the game.

Hmm that does work..

I need to avoid obvious infinite combos thought since the store I play at has a rule against them...though it is hard as hell with Ghave...he is just to easy to combo off with...I will think about the messenger though, I like that combo

i can suggest a ghave decklist that i run, but im not sure you will like it since its combo. it hasnt been updated since inestrad came out.



sorry it looks messy i dont have time to organze the list from cocatrice

Just a few thoughts:

+Sterling Grove - tutor or shroud important enchantments
-Lurking Predators - not enough creatures or topdeck tech here imo

+Burgeoning - this build needs acceleration and this fits the enchantment theme well. Cheaper and better than Exploration in this format too.
-Plaque Wind - too high cmc with too little ramp

+Privileged Position - protection from spot removal and creates a force shield with Sterling Grove
-Beacon of Creation - this feels strictly like a monogreen/ramp spell

+Demonic Tutor - yup
-Jar of Eyeballs - underwhelming effect

+Sylvan Library - personal fave; topdeck filtering with an option to draw
-Storm Herd - a win more spell that without ramp is horrible to draw into and without haste will surely get the table to pool their resources against you.

+Putrefy - versatile removal (Maelstrom Pulse and Vindicate are good here too)
-Contagion Engine - SO slow

With this many enchantments what do people thing of the Enchantresses?

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With this many enchantments what do people thing of the Enchantresses?

You do need more card draw, but I don't think you run enough enchantments to make an enchantress package worth it. Instead, I would consider some of the following:
Sensei's Divining Top (goes into basically any EDH deck)
Mentor of the Meek
Fecundity
Viscera Seer (Great when you have lots of tokens to sac)
Grim Backwoods
Phyrexian Arena
Regal Force

I would say you need at least 20 enchantments to make enchantresses worth the space. And even so, they tend to go better in decks that revolve around enchantments by necessity (e.g. Uril, the Miststalker decks). A deck like this revolves around tokens and +1/+1 counters, so IMO it makes more sense to put in card draw that revolves around those mechanics instead.

Updated the first post with the most recent list. Thanks everyone for the help so far

Here are some of my suggestions:
Primordial Hydra - played in a friend's Ghave deck. Grows ridiculously large with or without Doubling Season.
Storm Herd - My finisher in 5 color tokens. Imagine me casting this 20 times + giving them all haste.
Reveillark - Double utility creature resurreciton.
Karmic Guide - Resurrection of any creature. Combos off Reveillark and the altars for infinite mana. Add Eternal Witness to recur and cast everything again infinitely.
Hour of Reckoning - Wrath effect that doesn't kill tokens. Also can be almost free with Convoke.
Twilight Drover - AKA Token lover - Tokens dies so it gets bigger with +1/+1 counters. Remove +1/+1 counters you get more tokens!

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Here are some of my suggestions:
Primordial Hydra - played in a friend's Ghave deck. Grows ridiculously large with or without Doubling Season.
Storm Herd - My finisher in 5 color tokens. Imagine me casting this 20 times + giving them all haste.
Reveillark - Double utility creature resurreciton.
Karmic Guide - Resurrection of any creature. Combos off Reveillark and the altars for infinite mana. Add Eternal Witness to recur and cast everything again infinitely.
Hour of Reckoning - Wrath effect that doesn't kill tokens. Also can be almost free with Convoke.
Twilight Drover - AKA Token lover - Tokens dies so it gets bigger with +1/+1 counters. Remove +1/+1 counters you get more tokens!

I am on the fence about Primordial Hydra, I know it is good and if nothing else a nice +1/+1 container, but I am not sure if I need another since I have Vish Kal, Lumberknot, The othe hyrda...and all of them have some other uses.

Storm Herd is out for now, for 10 mana I wanna win the game, not invite the wrath...with no way to give them haste or copy it, the real use would be tokens to sac but I have tons of that already.


Reveillark & Karmic Guide, these look good, I like recursion just not sure what to cut for them

Hour of Reckoning - Since tokens are a secondary theme, this will more then likely kill my giant beaters, so it is on hold for now, if I had gone straight tokens then yeah this would be awesome

Twilight Drover - I totally forgot this guy. Since he acts as a kinda secondary Ghave/Lumberknot I am sure I can find a place for him

You took all my suggestions. I feel shpecial!

Looks like it's time to develop your land base.

Budget mana-fixing that provides tempo:
City of Brass
Brushland
Caves of Koilos
Llanowar Wastes
Sunpetal Grove
Woodland Cemetery

High-end mana fixing that provides tempo:
Reflecting Pool
Isolated Chapel
Razorverge Thicket
Marsh Flats
Windswept Heath
Verdant Catacombs
Godless Shrine
Overgrown Tomb
Temple Garden
Horizon Canopy

Lands that become a creature:
Mishra's Factory
Nantuko Monastery
Spawning Pool
Stirring Wildwood
Treetop Village

Lands that produce tokens:
Khalni Garden
Springjack Pasture
Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree

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You took all my suggestions. I feel shpecial!

Good suggestions always get added to decks...at least if I am running the list, that is why I post things here since I is der dumb and the MTGSalv crew is teh SMRT!

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Looks like it's time to develop your land base.

Budget mana-fixing that provides tempo:
City of Brass
Brushland
Caves of Koilos
Llanowar Wastes
Sunpetal Grove
Woodland Cemetery

High-end mana fixing that provides tempo:
Reflecting Pool
Isolated Chapel
Razorverge Thicket
Marsh Flats
Windswept Heath
Verdant Catacombs
Godless Shrine
Overgrown Tomb
Temple Garden
Horizon Canopy

Lands that become a creature:
Mishra's Factory
Nantuko Monastery
Spawning Pool
Stirring Wildwood
Treetop Village

Lands that produce tokens:
Khalni Garden
Springjack Pasture
Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree

Yeah for lands, good thing I am taking white out of my zombie deck so I have some black/white lands floating around...I like all of these. I also might toss in the Urza-tron since I have it and this deck looks like it could use some extra colorless mana