Didn't liked winter orb and e.tutor soo much, and the manabase is VERY fragile, the deck is good but it still need A LOT work i guess.
Fixed it for you. I tested on cockatrice and the list is very lopsided. One time you open an all 3-drop hand, then you mull to a 2 landers, no green, 4 dorks... Seems the list loses to itself.
Didn't liked winter orb and e.tutor soo much, and the manabase is VERY fragile, the deck is good but it still need A LOT work i guess.
Fixed it for you. I tested on cockatrice and the list is very lopsided. One time you open an all 3-drop hand, then you mull to a 2 landers, no green, 4 dorks... Seems the list loses to itself.
Any ideas on how to adjust? Coz if the list performs the way it has despite the fragile manabase, it's an enticing deck to try out.
Thoughts on lathnu hellion?? When curved into saskia on an empty board that's 4 dmg T3 + 14 dmg turn 4.. Mana cost is also not color intenisve I like the haste on it mostly.
Thoughts on lathnu hellion?? When curved into saskia on an empty board that's 4 dmg T3 + 14 dmg turn 4.. Mana cost is also not color intenisve I like the haste on it mostly.
I get that it's a 4/4 haste for 3, but the fact that it dies after two attacks makes me wary.
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Thoughts on lathnu hellion?? When curved into saskia on an empty board that's 4 dmg T3 + 14 dmg turn 4.. Mana cost is also not color intenisve I like the haste on it mostly.
I get that it's a 4/4 haste for 3, but the fact that it dies after two attacks makes me wary.
Well the 2 turn limit is of course a minus but I really like that it's able to swing the moment it comes down for 4. But i guess with 4 colors there's a lot of competition for a spot. Been trying to find a way to open up more spots for red.
The mana base is very shaky but damn this deck is scary. Just so much pressure if you get her out turn 3. Is this the new DC? 4 color good stuff/aggro?
So what are people thinking with regard to this deck? For me, it tests remarkably well. Abzan tempo was already so powerful, but now with Saskia smashing in as a finisher it is just devastating. I'm only running 4 cards with red: Voltaic Brawler, Woolly Thoctar, Lightning Bolt and Lightning Helix. I can see the benefits of running things like Hell's Thunder and Lathnu Hellion, but it seems like too much wishful thinking that Saskia will be around when you play them--after all, there is extremely limited protection for her aside from the basic discard spells and Mother of Runes.
For me, the deck runs best when you're spamming cheap, aggressive threats, while leaving mana open to wipe away any threats they present at the end of their turn, and then conducting an alpha strike with Saskia. I'm finding that while the deck is certainly tempo it finishes games quicker than some of the more cutthroat aggro decks.
I was looking at building a mashup of jund the the abzan hatebears decks with Saskia. Someone on page 2 posted a link to the 4 colour blood highlander decks so I quickly mashed up the three lists available from mtg top 8 for people to check out.
The list is cards that were run in all 3 decks, followed by cards that were run in 2 of the 3 decks (though I believe those cards came from the same person in two events) which leaves room for 3 more cards from the "only in one deck" section.
I don't usually play 1v1 commander so I'm not too sure of the ban list so there are probably some cards that need to come out, but its a neat starting point to look at.
Some players in France stop playing Saskia to start testing (Reyan + Bruse), they think it's better.
I agree with them.
I agree too. On paper doubling an army sounds sweet but realistically you just end up attacking with Saskia and maybe 1 other. The guaranteed tempo of T2 Reyhan and T3 Bruse is too good. If you only have access to 3 mana colours you can still cast one of your generals. Saskia doesn't help your creature combat damage like Bruse does and the life gain is going to win the aggro vs aggro match.
Lt glitter you can't play Noble hierarch in a Saskia deck.
Yah that list was just a compilation of the most popular non land cards from the existing 4 colour highlander decks. You'd have to make a swap for something like arbor elf, there may be some other cards in that list that aren't legal in 1v1 french edh too I didn't check.
Let's suppose you play t2 Reyan t3 Bruse. You deal 6 and gain 6. If you take Anger of the gods it might be tough to rebuild.
If you're playing against that kind of control deck then it's actually beneficial to have 2x commanders. That kind of control thrives on CA and Bruhan immediately has an advantage in terms of CA unless your playing against another set of partners. Just play one at a time and you will probably win. If you're a skilled aggro player then you know you should never over extend against control. Even if they do kill both partners and they feel like that have 3 for 1'd you they haven't really. So far you have only really played 1 card from your hand.
Replace Bruse by Saskia and you dealt more damage and kept saskia alive.
Against red only. Against big green stuff like Doran you will appreciate a 3/3 double striker otherwise they're gonna block/kill Saskia all game long. It's a trade off
I've been seeing on mtgtop8 that either Chrome Mox or Mox Diamond is a staple for the deck. Are there nice alternatives to either of those mana rocks? Fellwar Stone maybe?
The 2-mana rocks are too slow IMO to replace Chrome Mox or Mox Diamond in this kind of deck. It's fine in big-mana decks or "artifacts matter" decks, but I don't think it makes sense here. If I were to copy a list (but not have access to Chrome Mox or Mox Diamond), I would likely just add a one-drop (probably a colored-mana-producing mana dork, though maybe also a flexible 2/X for 1 like Dryad Militant or Rakdos Cackler) and a land.
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Anyone played Blueless Tempo decks recently?
Playing Bruse-Reyhan without the Moxen did hurt. I will admit I just finished building the deck and most likely didn' fetch and play optimally.
Here's my list: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bruse-reyhan-1/
Went:
1-2 vs Gaddock Teeg, only drew two creatures in game 3.
1-2 vs Thalia, Guardian of Thraben. Lost to Anthem effects and fliers + Armageddon.
2-0 vs Zurgo
2-1 vs Zurgo
1-2 vs Tymna/Bruse
Maybe I need to lower my curve and play more removal?
Also, hypothetically, do you think these decks (Saskia, Bruse+Reyhan or Akiri+Reyhan) will stand a chance in 30lp if it's closer to Leviathan Banlist than DC Banlist?
Also strongly consider Smuggler's Copter. It's a great way to get some value from your elves after you curve out. I would prefer it to some of the planeswalkers. I would look in that category too if you need cuts for removal or hand attack.
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Thanks, I dropped the curve a bunch and got to test some games today with this updated list: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bruyhan-v2/
Vs Jenara 3-2
Vs Titania 3-2
Vs Geist 2-3
Vs Zurgo 3-1
Vs Baral 1-2
The Baral player couldn't stay to play best of five but those three games were more than enough to prove what I feared, counters.dck is unbeatable unless you get a godhand and they mulligan. Other than that I felt much more confident with this list and had less creatures just staying in my hand because I couldn't play them. Voltaic Brawler is much better than I expected and I didn't miss Elspeth as much as I thought I would. Domri Rade is still unproven, he came out in three games, two he was a beast with his -2, the other he didn't do anything because they weren't profitable trades and his +1 wasn't giving me anything.
I want to try Lotus Cobra and Manamorphose but don't know what I could swap for them. I really don't want to go down more 4C creatures since Saskia, Aristocrat, Rhino and Kavu are all super busted. Maybe Kholagan's Command and Fatal Push? They're amazing cards in a vacuum but without Breya and Vial they seem to have lost some power, Zurgo is the match they help the most in and I think Zurgo has to fear Bruyhan more than Bruyhan has to fear from Zurgo.
Bloom Tender is gorgeous but right now I can't spend $40 on a lightning rod, let's hope it comes in any of this years reprint products.
Sorry to double post but I just came in from what may (or may not) be the last DC FNM at my LGS.
Playing the same list as the above post:
2-0 vs Zurgo
2-1 vs Bruyhan
1-2 vs Mardu Partners
2-1 vs Zurgo
I punted the Mardu match, my opponent was at 4 with 1 card in hand, I had Nacatl on the field and Green Sun's Zenith. I went for Rhino and got my Nacatl bolted. Then my opponent topdecked Zealous Conscripts. If I had gone for Saskia instead I would have won.
Anyway, the deck is super legit in the post Vial/Breya ban 20lp format and I will miss it a lot if the 30lp format reverts to blue or bust.
Bruse-Reyhan. I really like the card advantage partners provide. Bruse is the real Commander, but Reyhan still demands a Bolt or blocks a beater while not costing me a card.
Saskia is ridiculous (at one point I hit for 24 turn 3 before Moxen bans just going Nacatl, Bruse, Saskia) but I prefer her in the 99 because you can still tutor her up with Demonic Tutor, Traverse the Ulvenwald, Eldritch Evolution or Green Sun's Zenith when it's safe while enjoying the CA from partners.
Anyone played Blueless Tempo decks recently?
Playing Bruse-Reyhan without the Moxen did hurt. I will admit I just finished building the deck and most likely didn' fetch and play optimally.
Here's my list: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bruse-reyhan-1/
Went:
1-2 vs Gaddock Teeg, only drew two creatures in game 3.
1-2 vs Thalia, Guardian of Thraben. Lost to Anthem effects and fliers + Armageddon. 2-0 vs Zurgo
2-1 vs Zurgo
1-2 vs Tymna/Bruse
Maybe I need to lower my curve and play more removal?
Also, hypothetically, do you think these decks (Saskia, Bruse+Reyhan or Akiri+Reyhan) will stand a chance in 30lp if it's closer to Leviathan Banlist than DC Banlist?
Interesting that zurgo seems to be helpless against this deck. In my testing my zurgo deck has a positive matchup against the saskia I test with. All things constant and we assume that all lists are optimized, a better zurgo matchup is definitely a selling point to go bruhan over saskia.
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What would you cut or add after your finish?
What other potential picks could have made the list?
Any thoughts on running Thundermaw Hellkite or Bloodbraid Elf in the 99?
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Didn't liked winter orb and e.tutor soo much, and the manabase is still fragile, the deck is good but it still need some work i guess.
Fixed it for you. I tested on cockatrice and the list is very lopsided. One time you open an all 3-drop hand, then you mull to a 2 landers, no green, 4 dorks... Seems the list loses to itself.
Any ideas on how to adjust? Coz if the list performs the way it has despite the fragile manabase, it's an enticing deck to try out.
I get that it's a 4/4 haste for 3, but the fact that it dies after two attacks makes me wary.
Blue lives don't matter in the slightest.
Well the 2 turn limit is of course a minus but I really like that it's able to swing the moment it comes down for 4. But i guess with 4 colors there's a lot of competition for a spot. Been trying to find a way to open up more spots for red.
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For me, the deck runs best when you're spamming cheap, aggressive threats, while leaving mana open to wipe away any threats they present at the end of their turn, and then conducting an alpha strike with Saskia. I'm finding that while the deck is certainly tempo it finishes games quicker than some of the more cutthroat aggro decks.
What do you think of Fairgrounds Warden in the deck?
I was looking at building a mashup of jund the the abzan hatebears decks with Saskia. Someone on page 2 posted a link to the 4 colour blood highlander decks so I quickly mashed up the three lists available from mtg top 8 for people to check out.
The list is cards that were run in all 3 decks, followed by cards that were run in 2 of the 3 decks (though I believe those cards came from the same person in two events) which leaves room for 3 more cards from the "only in one deck" section.
1 Vindicate
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Thoughtseize
1 Tarmogoyf
1 Sylvan Library
1 Sylvan Caryatid
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
1 Siege Rhino
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Path to Exile
1 Noble Hierarch
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Loxodon Smiter
1 Lotus Cobra
1 Llanowar Elves
1 Lingering Souls
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Lightning Helix
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Kolaghan's Command
1 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Hymn to Tourach
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Fyndhorn Elves
1 Flametongue Kavu
1 Fauna Shaman
1 Falkenrath Aristocrat
1 Eternal Witness
1 Elvish Mystic
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Eladamri's Call
1 Duress
1 Dromoka's Command
1 Dreadbore
1 Doran, the Siege Tower
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Dark Confidant
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Avacyn's Pilgrim
1 Arc Trail
1 Ajani Vengeant
1 Xenagos, the Reveler
1 Voice of Resurgence
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Golgari Charm
1 Elves of Deep Shadow
1 Domri Rade
1 Anafenza, the Foremost
1 Abrupt Decay
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1 Toxic Deluge
1 Sword of War and Peace
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Restoration Angel
1 Rancor
1 Mirran Crusader
1 Mind Twist
1 Garruk Wildspeaker
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Bloodbraid Elf
1 Bitterblossom
1 Arbor Elf
I don't usually play 1v1 commander so I'm not too sure of the ban list so there are probably some cards that need to come out, but its a neat starting point to look at.
BChainer, Dementia Master(Big Mana/Reanimator)
BRRakdos, The Showstopper (Mass Life Loss/Ramp)
BUThe Scarab God (Zombie Tribal/Control)
BWKarlov of the Ghost Council (Life Gain)
BGJarad, Golgari Lich Lord (Stompy/Dredge)
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher (Tokens/Non-infinite Combo)
Yah that list was just a compilation of the most popular non land cards from the existing 4 colour highlander decks. You'd have to make a swap for something like arbor elf, there may be some other cards in that list that aren't legal in 1v1 french edh too I didn't check.
If you're playing against that kind of control deck then it's actually beneficial to have 2x commanders. That kind of control thrives on CA and Bruhan immediately has an advantage in terms of CA unless your playing against another set of partners. Just play one at a time and you will probably win. If you're a skilled aggro player then you know you should never over extend against control. Even if they do kill both partners and they feel like that have 3 for 1'd you they haven't really. So far you have only really played 1 card from your hand.
Against red only. Against big green stuff like Doran you will appreciate a 3/3 double striker otherwise they're gonna block/kill Saskia all game long. It's a trade off
Does anyone want to make a Bruhan thread?
BChainer, Dementia Master(Big Mana/Reanimator)
BRRakdos, The Showstopper (Mass Life Loss/Ramp)
BUThe Scarab God (Zombie Tribal/Control)
BWKarlov of the Ghost Council (Life Gain)
BGJarad, Golgari Lich Lord (Stompy/Dredge)
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher (Tokens/Non-infinite Combo)
This is what I'm thinking: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bruhan-last-of-the-herders/
BChainer, Dementia Master(Big Mana/Reanimator)
BRRakdos, The Showstopper (Mass Life Loss/Ramp)
BUThe Scarab God (Zombie Tribal/Control)
BWKarlov of the Ghost Council (Life Gain)
BGJarad, Golgari Lich Lord (Stompy/Dredge)
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher (Tokens/Non-infinite Combo)
Blue lives don't matter in the slightest.
Playing Bruse-Reyhan without the Moxen did hurt. I will admit I just finished building the deck and most likely didn' fetch and play optimally.
Here's my list: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bruse-reyhan-1/
Went:
1-2 vs Gaddock Teeg, only drew two creatures in game 3.
1-2 vs Thalia, Guardian of Thraben. Lost to Anthem effects and fliers + Armageddon.
2-0 vs Zurgo
2-1 vs Zurgo
1-2 vs Tymna/Bruse
Maybe I need to lower my curve and play more removal?
Also, hypothetically, do you think these decks (Saskia, Bruse+Reyhan or Akiri+Reyhan) will stand a chance in 30lp if it's closer to Leviathan Banlist than DC Banlist?
Also strongly consider Smuggler's Copter. It's a great way to get some value from your elves after you curve out. I would prefer it to some of the planeswalkers. I would look in that category too if you need cuts for removal or hand attack.
Blue lives don't matter in the slightest.
Vs Jenara 3-2
Vs Titania 3-2
Vs Geist 2-3
Vs Zurgo 3-1
Vs Baral 1-2
The Baral player couldn't stay to play best of five but those three games were more than enough to prove what I feared, counters.dck is unbeatable unless you get a godhand and they mulligan. Other than that I felt much more confident with this list and had less creatures just staying in my hand because I couldn't play them. Voltaic Brawler is much better than I expected and I didn't miss Elspeth as much as I thought I would.
Domri Rade is still unproven, he came out in three games, two he was a beast with his -2, the other he didn't do anything because they weren't profitable trades and his +1 wasn't giving me anything.
I want to try Lotus Cobra and Manamorphose but don't know what I could swap for them. I really don't want to go down more 4C creatures since Saskia, Aristocrat, Rhino and Kavu are all super busted. Maybe Kholagan's Command and Fatal Push? They're amazing cards in a vacuum but without Breya and Vial they seem to have lost some power, Zurgo is the match they help the most in and I think Zurgo has to fear Bruyhan more than Bruyhan has to fear from Zurgo.
Bloom Tender is gorgeous but right now I can't spend $40 on a lightning rod, let's hope it comes in any of this years reprint products.
Playing the same list as the above post:
2-0 vs Zurgo
2-1 vs Bruyhan
1-2 vs Mardu Partners
2-1 vs Zurgo
I punted the Mardu match, my opponent was at 4 with 1 card in hand, I had Nacatl on the field and Green Sun's Zenith. I went for Rhino and got my Nacatl bolted. Then my opponent topdecked Zealous Conscripts. If I had gone for Saskia instead I would have won.
Anyway, the deck is super legit in the post Vial/Breya ban 20lp format and I will miss it a lot if the 30lp format reverts to blue or bust.
Saskia is ridiculous (at one point I hit for 24 turn 3 before Moxen bans just going Nacatl, Bruse, Saskia) but I prefer her in the 99 because you can still tutor her up with Demonic Tutor, Traverse the Ulvenwald, Eldritch Evolution or Green Sun's Zenith when it's safe while enjoying the CA from partners.
Interesting that zurgo seems to be helpless against this deck. In my testing my zurgo deck has a positive matchup against the saskia I test with. All things constant and we assume that all lists are optimized, a better zurgo matchup is definitely a selling point to go bruhan over saskia.