since we won't always have the dreadnought in hand, what do you guys think of myr superion (and perhaps lupine prototype) to help get the ball rolling for selvala.
Prototype seems a bit awk since you draw from it'll probably never do any blocking or attacking. Sure it can provide mana for selvala but idk if that's worth it. (12 mana with dreadnought is fine tho lol)
U like the idea of Myr guy
Updated list! Cut Might of Old Krosa and something else for the Lupine guy and Myr Superion. They are excellent cards.
Also Invigorate on Devoted Druid let me cast T3 Emrakul, the Promised End looool.
I don't like Endbringer here either. It fits better in Jace Eldrazi which is a controllish deck, but this deck wants to win ASAP when it ramps to 6 and above.
EDIT: Lupine is better than Superion after testing both. You can't cast Superion off one dork, and you don't want to cast him on t3 with Selvala because you want to save Selvala to add 5 mana on the same turn. Maybe Superion is better in a midrangy rampy deck, but we want to win on turn 3 or 4.
After further testing, both Lupine and Superion are inferior to Might of Old Krosa and Vines of Vastwood and even Giant Growth if you want combo on turn 3 off a Weird Harvest. Lupine/Myr stay after a combo turn for value and also draw you a card. It reminds me a bit of Extraplanar Lens vs High Tide.
i love the theme of this deck, ive been waiting for good suggestions and card lists for selvala. i have tested some of the posted list. the deck lack synergy against control decks which dominates most of the tournaments recently after banning marath and yisan. i removed umbral mantle and staff of domination since artifacts are difficult to tutor when youre playing green instead i put in hall of gemstone, tangle wire, dosan the falling leaf and createrhoof behemoth to add another win con since we are running mostly creatures here.
Phyrexian Soulgorger is superior to Might of Old Krosa and sometimes even Dreadnought. Being able to play around Dreadnought's timing restriction is huge because you don't have to worry about getting Staff in play first or Quirion Ranger in play before tapping Selvala.
Ok finally cut Staff of Domination. It's winmore, and too hard to combo with, because if we have Selvala and anything with power 6+ we are already winning.
-1 Snow Forest
+1 Sylvan Ranger
-1 Staff of Domination
+1 Mox Diamond
Sylvan Ranger lets me go t1 Mox Diamond pitch land and recoup the Forest.
I'm liking what is happening with this deck... Thought that I would add Briarhorn as a creature that would work well in the list... It can pump itself and we can activate Selvala before the evoke sac effect resolves.
I've played the deck this saturday, an own list I had, but looks alike Kamenitza list, so I'll put here some things I noticed from the deck.
First its freaking fast xD, she has potential to be a tier 1, I don't think she will be a top top commander, but she is competitive.
I would never take staff of domination out of the deck, it is not a winmore, having a big thing on the field does not grant us ah automatic win, a sylvan Primordial for example, grants us great advantage, but didn't take anyone out of the game. Temur Sabertooth this is a card I was almost taking out, but it is outstanding. I linked that with Quirion Ranger + Phyrexian Dreadnought and generated like 36 mana on T4, dropped my hand, linked a Terastodon with Ulamog, and... that was devastading xD. That happed more then once, he saves our dudes, he can let us trigger big stuff again and he is a middle passage from our dorks to our finishers, he also combos with a lot of stuff that synergizes with her, like bringing Phyrexian Dreadnought back to our hand.
I took out the moxes, I think if we can't cast our commanders T1 anyway, I prefer putting all others T2 enablers that aren't 2 for 1, since against a more controlish deck it kind of runs too fast out of gas.
Yeah Kamenitza and I run the exact same deck, with probably one card different. Regarding your game with the Temur, since you had Quirion + Dreadnought with Ulamog in hand you already won. With just Quirion + Dreadnought that was enough to cast both Ulamog and Terastodon so I don't see how Temur did anything lol. It definitely feels like a winmore card in that case.
But I do agree that he is pretty good as a Wirewood Symbiote v2 to protect our guys from sweepers but the problem is that is has no impact when he lands. He also needs you to also keep mana open during the opponent's turn which makes him inefficient when you tap out for him on turn 3 and get wrathed.
sweet deck and seems strong but also fair. she needs a lot of support, there is no 1 card combo here (yisan...), this is the kind of combo general green needs.
briarhorn (he's been performing well in my deck. He can be a 6/6 for 2 mana, or add +3 at instant speed to something else.) seeker of skybreak somberwald sage (haven't tried it yet but its crazy ramp and this deck is basically all creatures)
A lot of my issues are dealing with creatures (eg linvala, elesh norn, various combo creatures etc) I really wish there was a green creature that could do what duplicant can do. I'm even tempted to put somberwald stag in to help deal with them.
IF your higheest power is 3 you draw from Briarhorn but if it's 4 then the Selvala's ability never triggers. We already play Sheltering Ancient and Ravaging Riftwurm which are enough, and for the same mana and a drawback of 1 less power you get a creature that stays as a 5/5 to be channeled for mana next turn. Somberwald Sage is unnecessary like Shaman of Forgotten Ways.
Gearhulk is probably worse than Wolfir Silverheart, and we don't want to play that.
Both Garruks are staples, I would play them before any other planeswalker.
Ya it was a typo I meant power 2 lol, I had a brainfart while typing since I got excited to finally leave my room after a week shut in playing cocka yay..
I think I've already clocked 80 hours on cockatrice playing just Selvala...
Kon did you see the game where I Emrakul v2'ed against a Leovold goodstuff deck with a huge board when I was super behind, made him attack into my Phyrexian Revoker which was naming his baby Jace, so I could use the Jace to -3 his Upheaval and then made him Upheaval and EOT discard down to only lands in hand. That was my finest moment yet with Selvala. If not I'll try and find it but I don't know which one, there are too many replays.
Kon did you see the game where I Emrakul v2'ed against a Leovold goodstuff deck with a huge board when I was super behind, made him attack into my Phyrexian Revoker which was naming his baby Jace, so I could use the Jace to -3 his Upheaval and then made him Upheaval and EOT discard down to only lands in hand. That was my finest moment yet with Selvala. If not I'll try and find it but I don't know which one, there are too many replays.
Reason number 23598 why Mindslaver is my favorite card ever. We spend 99.9% of MTG trying to figure out how to make cards work *for* us, and 0.1% in Mindslaver'ed turns trying to figure out how cards can harm their owner. I'm on autopilot for most of my games but when using Mindslaver, you really need to think in new ways.
First of all. Master Spactika,gratz with a great job!!! Very nice deck.
Couple of questions. If u discussed them before- skip. I will find the answer.
1) why dont u play Temur Sabretooth? I guess he is doing a great amount of job here. With all untap effects and big gyus
2) Nissa a creaure is a some kind of plan for middle game, if u didint kill fast. Why dont u play her?
3) sundering titan is imho one of the best friends of current format ^^ What is your opinion of him?
4) 38 lands is enough for Mox diamond. Why did u prefer Chrome Mox?
5) Re u sure that u dont want to play land tutors? I think that Nyktos can play a great role here. Why not tutoring him. I mean crop, map, sylvan scrying
6) i miss Elvish Visionary =(( And u? Why?
Thank u for ansswers! (=
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1. Loxmatii I tested Temur for a while but he does nothing relevant when he enters the field. He is winmore. When you tap out for him on turn 3 you want something that gives you value for the next turn once you get board wiped, like Solemn Simulacrum does, or you want something that doesn't make you tap out and let's you ramp into something more impactful, like Sheltering Ancient or Ravaging Riftwurm. He doesn't combo with Dreadnought + Selvala because you should already have won if you get to untap with Selvala and Dreadnought in your hand. He does not protect your guys if you cast him on turn 3 because you will get wrathed or Selvala will be removed, and is useless in the mid to late game because he won't trigger card draw and his power 4 adding mana will be eclipsed by something else.
2. I ran Nissa in my original list up until last week, when we decided Sylvan Ranger was strictly better because of the curve, in case you didn't draw turn 1 dork. The deck is color hungry because Selvala is double green and more than a third of our lands are colorless so sometimes we don't have the second green source in hand, if we miss turn 1 dork. Selvala is 95% of the time (excluding Rofellos, Garruk or Primeval) our best play on turns 2 and 3, because we can usually win, or put ourselves far ahead if we get to untap with her. Nissa has almost never flipped for me, and even when she did, I was already winning with something else, like Primeval Titan fetching Eye of Ugin.
Nissa is literally only good as a late game draw. You don't want to see her in your hand for the first five turns and you will never want to play her on turn 3-5 because you will always have something better to do, like cast a fattie or recast Selvala.
3. Sundering Titan is good but there is no room for even Terastodon. I would like to have an 8CMC pod target for Sylvan Primordial and World Breaker, but we have enough win conditions. I may have to test Sundering if he is significantly better than Terastodon.
4. I don't think 38 lands is enough for Mox Diamond because we still need 3 lands by turn 2. In this deck there are alot of redundant cards in the deck that can be easily imprinted on turns 1 and 2. We need all the lands we can get.
5. I only tested crop Rotation, and he was good for tutoring Nykthos and Crystal Vein when we needed the one extra mana to cast a finisher. But it is CDA, and counterspells are still a problem for early game.
6. Visionary is good, and I might test him. This deck is not really an elfball deck. But I only put Clamp in very recently to combat our weakness, which is removal.dec like Marchesa/Thraximundar, so Visionary might be pretty good here.
Prototype seems a bit awk since you draw from it'll probably never do any blocking or attacking. Sure it can provide mana for selvala but idk if that's worth it. (12 mana with dreadnought is fine tho lol)
U like the idea of Myr guy
Also Invigorate on Devoted Druid let me cast T3 Emrakul, the Promised End looool.
1. Jace High Tide Control
2. 5CC Horde Scapeshift
3. Selvala Channel Emrakul
4. Selvala GW Combo
5. Keranos Wildfire
Damia (EDH)
Niv-Mizzet (EDH)
Karador the Hermit Druid (EDH)
EDIT: Lupine is better than Superion after testing both. You can't cast Superion off one dork, and you don't want to cast him on t3 with Selvala because you want to save Selvala to add 5 mana on the same turn. Maybe Superion is better in a midrangy rampy deck, but we want to win on turn 3 or 4.
After further testing, both Lupine and Superion are inferior to Might of Old Krosa and Vines of Vastwood and even Giant Growth if you want combo on turn 3 off a Weird Harvest. Lupine/Myr stay after a combo turn for value and also draw you a card. It reminds me a bit of Extraplanar Lens vs High Tide.
1. Jace High Tide Control
2. 5CC Horde Scapeshift
3. Selvala Channel Emrakul
4. Selvala GW Combo
5. Keranos Wildfire
Damia (EDH)
Niv-Mizzet (EDH)
Karador the Hermit Druid (EDH)
I don't think she does enough for the deck honestly.
1. Jace High Tide Control
2. 5CC Horde Scapeshift
3. Selvala Channel Emrakul
4. Selvala GW Combo
5. Keranos Wildfire
Damia (EDH)
Niv-Mizzet (EDH)
Karador the Hermit Druid (EDH)
1. Jace High Tide Control
2. 5CC Horde Scapeshift
3. Selvala Channel Emrakul
4. Selvala GW Combo
5. Keranos Wildfire
Damia (EDH)
Niv-Mizzet (EDH)
Karador the Hermit Druid (EDH)
-1 Snow Forest
+1 Sylvan Ranger
-1 Staff of Domination
+1 Mox Diamond
Sylvan Ranger lets me go t1 Mox Diamond pitch land and recoup the Forest.
1. Jace High Tide Control
2. 5CC Horde Scapeshift
3. Selvala Channel Emrakul
4. Selvala GW Combo
5. Keranos Wildfire
Damia (EDH)
Niv-Mizzet (EDH)
Karador the Hermit Druid (EDH)
Why not play Wolfir Silverheart then?
1. Jace High Tide Control
2. 5CC Horde Scapeshift
3. Selvala Channel Emrakul
4. Selvala GW Combo
5. Keranos Wildfire
Damia (EDH)
Niv-Mizzet (EDH)
Karador the Hermit Druid (EDH)
First its freaking fast xD, she has potential to be a tier 1, I don't think she will be a top top commander, but she is competitive.
I would never take staff of domination out of the deck, it is not a winmore, having a big thing on the field does not grant us ah automatic win, a sylvan Primordial for example, grants us great advantage, but didn't take anyone out of the game. Temur Sabertooth this is a card I was almost taking out, but it is outstanding. I linked that with Quirion Ranger + Phyrexian Dreadnought and generated like 36 mana on T4, dropped my hand, linked a Terastodon with Ulamog, and... that was devastading xD. That happed more then once, he saves our dudes, he can let us trigger big stuff again and he is a middle passage from our dorks to our finishers, he also combos with a lot of stuff that synergizes with her, like bringing Phyrexian Dreadnought back to our hand.
I took out the moxes, I think if we can't cast our commanders T1 anyway, I prefer putting all others T2 enablers that aren't 2 for 1, since against a more controlish deck it kind of runs too fast out of gas.
But I do agree that he is pretty good as a Wirewood Symbiote v2 to protect our guys from sweepers but the problem is that is has no impact when he lands. He also needs you to also keep mana open during the opponent's turn which makes him inefficient when you tap out for him on turn 3 and get wrathed.
1. Jace High Tide Control
2. 5CC Horde Scapeshift
3. Selvala Channel Emrakul
4. Selvala GW Combo
5. Keranos Wildfire
Damia (EDH)
Niv-Mizzet (EDH)
Karador the Hermit Druid (EDH)
briarhorn (he's been performing well in my deck. He can be a 6/6 for 2 mana, or add +3 at instant speed to something else.)
seeker of skybreak
somberwald sage (haven't tried it yet but its crazy ramp and this deck is basically all creatures)
And from the new set:
Verdurous gearhulk
And how good would you say garruk, primal hunter is?
A lot of my issues are dealing with creatures (eg linvala, elesh norn, various combo creatures etc) I really wish there was a green creature that could do what duplicant can do. I'm even tempted to put somberwald stag in to help deal with them.
My G Yisan, the Bard of Death G deck.
My BUGWR Hermit druid BUGWR deck.
Gearhulk is probably worse than Wolfir Silverheart, and we don't want to play that.
Both Garruks are staples, I would play them before any other planeswalker.
1. Jace High Tide Control
2. 5CC Horde Scapeshift
3. Selvala Channel Emrakul
4. Selvala GW Combo
5. Keranos Wildfire
Damia (EDH)
Niv-Mizzet (EDH)
Karador the Hermit Druid (EDH)
EDH:
G[cEDH] Selvala, Heart of the StormG
URW[cEDH] Narset, the Last AirmericanURW
GWUSt. Jenara, the ArchangelGWU
UBGrimgrin, Chaos MarineUB
GOmnath, Mana BaronG
URWNarset, Justice League AmericaURW
GWUBAtraxa, Countess of CountersGWUB
GWUEstrid, Enbantress PrimeGWU
I think I've already clocked 80 hours on cockatrice playing just Selvala...
Kon did you see the game where I Emrakul v2'ed against a Leovold goodstuff deck with a huge board when I was super behind, made him attack into my Phyrexian Revoker which was naming his baby Jace, so I could use the Jace to -3 his Upheaval and then made him Upheaval and EOT discard down to only lands in hand. That was my finest moment yet with Selvala. If not I'll try and find it but I don't know which one, there are too many replays.
1. Jace High Tide Control
2. 5CC Horde Scapeshift
3. Selvala Channel Emrakul
4. Selvala GW Combo
5. Keranos Wildfire
Damia (EDH)
Niv-Mizzet (EDH)
Karador the Hermit Druid (EDH)
Here it is. There were some misplays all around and takebacks too but it was good fun
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7krLb9PFHDYcjd6Z3dIVzAwVDQ
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7krLb9PFHDYd2o0UkFBTEVRZk0 (also randomly found this game where I won with just the one land I had in my starting hand and drew nothing else for the entire game. Quirion mvp)
1. Jace High Tide Control
2. 5CC Horde Scapeshift
3. Selvala Channel Emrakul
4. Selvala GW Combo
5. Keranos Wildfire
Damia (EDH)
Niv-Mizzet (EDH)
Karador the Hermit Druid (EDH)
Oddly, this happened to me about 15 years ago in what I think was the last in-person tournament I ever played in: http://www.starcitygames.com/article/2374_PTQ-Osaka-in-Boston--Top-4-and-A-New-Metagame-Deck-for-Extended---ELVES-.html
1x Selvala, heart of the wilds
1x Llanowar Elves
1x Birds of Paradise
1x Arbor Elf
1x Elvish Mystic
1x Fyndhorn Elves
1x joraga treecaller
1x Boreal Druid
1x Phyrexian Dreadnought
1x quirion ranger
1x sylvan safekeeper
1x Priest of Titania
1x myr superion
1x lupine prototype
1x sheltering ancient
1x Fauna Shaman
1x duskwatch recruiter
1x phyrexian soulgorger
1x ravaging riftworm
1x Yisan, the Wanderer Bard
1x Eternal Witness
1x Fierce Empath
1x Reclamation Sage
1x Oracle of Mul Daya
1x Surrak, the Hunt Caller
1x Woodland Bellower
1x Duplicant
1x regal force
1x Craterhoof Behemoth
1x terastodon
1x Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1x kozilek, butcher of truth
1x ulamog, the infinite gyre
1x Emrakul, the Promised End
Instants/sorceries (11)
1x vines of vastwood
1x Worldly Tutor
1x Chord of Calling
1x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Eldritch Evolution
1x Invigorate
1x Tooth and Nail
1x beast within
1x summoner's pact
1x natural order
1x genesis wave
Artifacts (10)
1x umbral mantle
1x staff of domination
1x mana vault
1x sol ring
1x mana crypt
1x chrome mox
1x lightning greaves
1x sensei's divining top
1x birthing pod
1x skullclamp
Enchantments (6)
1x exploration
1x sylvan library
1x survival of the fittest
1x wild growth
1x utopia sprawl
1x earthcraft
1x greater good
1x garruk wildspeaker
1x garruk, primal hunter
Lands (35)
16x snow-covered forest
1x sanctum of ugin
1x Misty Rainforest
1x Verdant Catacombs
1x Wooded Foothills
1x Windswept Heath
1x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1x Eye of Ugin
1x Eldrazi Temple
1x Wirewood Lodge
1x Temple of the False God
1x Cavern of Souls
1x Gemstone Caverns
1x Mouth of Ronom
1x Crystal Vein
1x Myriad Landscape
1x Dryad Arbor
1x gaea's cradle
1x strip mine
1x ancient tomb
My G Yisan, the Bard of Death G deck.
My BUGWR Hermit druid BUGWR deck.
First of all. Master Spactika,gratz with a great job!!! Very nice deck.
Couple of questions. If u discussed them before- skip. I will find the answer.
1) why dont u play Temur Sabretooth? I guess he is doing a great amount of job here. With all untap effects and big gyus
2) Nissa a creaure is a some kind of plan for middle game, if u didint kill fast. Why dont u play her?
3) sundering titan is imho one of the best friends of current format ^^ What is your opinion of him?
4) 38 lands is enough for Mox diamond. Why did u prefer Chrome Mox?
5) Re u sure that u dont want to play land tutors? I think that Nyktos can play a great role here. Why not tutoring him. I mean crop, map, sylvan scrying
6) i miss Elvish Visionary =(( And u? Why?
Thank u for ansswers! (=
byes are for girls!
2. I ran Nissa in my original list up until last week, when we decided Sylvan Ranger was strictly better because of the curve, in case you didn't draw turn 1 dork. The deck is color hungry because Selvala is double green and more than a third of our lands are colorless so sometimes we don't have the second green source in hand, if we miss turn 1 dork. Selvala is 95% of the time (excluding Rofellos, Garruk or Primeval) our best play on turns 2 and 3, because we can usually win, or put ourselves far ahead if we get to untap with her. Nissa has almost never flipped for me, and even when she did, I was already winning with something else, like Primeval Titan fetching Eye of Ugin.
Nissa is literally only good as a late game draw. You don't want to see her in your hand for the first five turns and you will never want to play her on turn 3-5 because you will always have something better to do, like cast a fattie or recast Selvala.
3. Sundering Titan is good but there is no room for even Terastodon. I would like to have an 8CMC pod target for Sylvan Primordial and World Breaker, but we have enough win conditions. I may have to test Sundering if he is significantly better than Terastodon.
4. I don't think 38 lands is enough for Mox Diamond because we still need 3 lands by turn 2. In this deck there are alot of redundant cards in the deck that can be easily imprinted on turns 1 and 2. We need all the lands we can get.
5. I only tested crop Rotation, and he was good for tutoring Nykthos and Crystal Vein when we needed the one extra mana to cast a finisher. But it is CDA, and counterspells are still a problem for early game.
6. Visionary is good, and I might test him. This deck is not really an elfball deck. But I only put Clamp in very recently to combat our weakness, which is removal.dec like Marchesa/Thraximundar, so Visionary might be pretty good here.
1. Jace High Tide Control
2. 5CC Horde Scapeshift
3. Selvala Channel Emrakul
4. Selvala GW Combo
5. Keranos Wildfire
Damia (EDH)
Niv-Mizzet (EDH)
Karador the Hermit Druid (EDH)