Hey guys I've been meaning to post my deck tech for the last 12 months but life got in the way, so some pics will suffice. I think the deck's gotten much much weaker recently. The Vancouver mull hurt the deck more than the Entomb banning ever did, inbox me if you're interested in buying my deck lol.
Just played vs. you and decided to leave a comment...cool deck, seems that Doomsday is the way to go here (I'm sorry if this is established, I'm not privy to this thread/deck). I had a game i was sure I was going to win and then Grenzo for Gix->Kiki->Conscripts. And that's a simple pile. Doomsday is difficult to play and I also got lucky you hit no creatures off 4 Grenzo activations early on. Fun deck and I'd love to play again, Devil's Advocate!
GAAIV match up is the worst. Creature count was too low to make Grenzo a big threat. I think goodstuff version would work well against his list though.
After the games here are my experiences with the cards/list:
Minion of the wastes, Herald of Leshrac - In games where I drew both (especially in the starting draw), they are pretty much dead. Against games vs. GAAIV and other control decks, they are amazing to flip w/ Grenzo but can be really annoying when drawn early.
Conclusion: I don't think having creature cards w/ mana cost 6++ are still viable cause of the implementation of the new mulligan rule. I'm actually considering cutting creatures above cost 6 and swap them for more cheap goblins especially goblin lords) w/ doomsday back up.
"Insidious Dreams assuming grenzo is on the field using this eot discarding 5, putting Surging Flame,Zealous Conscripts, Mad Auntie, Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, Priest of Gix on top, then you draw surging flame use its ripple to put the rest on the bottom for grenzo to bring out."
Why Mad Auntie? I see The usefulness of Priest of Gix but not her?
Because grenzo is normally at 2 power, zealous is at three, so grenzo cant bring it out with out mad aunties buff. Given that combo is practically never used insidious is usually used with dragon.
I like minion/herald. As for problems casting them, I almost never cast creatures regardless of their costs, and they can be huge game winners on flips. At the moment I am pretty happy with the list, still play testing but I have not been on alot lately.
Flipping those two especially against those two types of decks is devastating, but yea discard combos or relying on grenzo. I am going to try and put in some more testing in the near future Vancouver has changed a lot of things.
I can't afford some of this stuff. Are there any good budget alternatives to Imperial Recruiter and Grim Tutor? Maybe like Goblin Matron, Dark Petition, or Increasing Ambition?
See my goodstuff/budget list in the spoiler tag under the main deck. If you are playing duel commander and not classic grim is very hard to replace but matron is a solid choice over it. Matron is a solid choice over one of the fat creatures I picked as well depending on your personal preference, check my maybe board for other ideas.
I've changed my mind about goodstuff again. The Vancouver mull can be used to our advantage. It's a free Temple of Malice trigger. I've bottomdecked nasty stuff many times
Free scry is SO POWERFUL in this deck. Not gonna sell yet unless someone offers to buy the whole deck outright (without foil fetches if necessary).
I have not really played or updated in some time, but the deck is not in need of more draw or discard combos, it already has the best. Collective Brutality is really good, I would probably find room for it.
On an unrelated note, I just noticed the "Don't post deck list" rule, but this has been sort of the unofficial grenzo primer for a long time. Id be happy to tune it up a bit to whatever the primer standards are now a days if it doesn't qualify, but until a mod bothers me I am just going to go about my business.
Decks:
Grenzo
Jalira
Talrasha's Doom
Lazav's not here
Eldrazi Bookkeeper
"I shall pass."
Doom Warden
Jalira
Decks:
Grenzo
Jalira
Talrasha's Doom
Lazav's not here
Eldrazi Bookkeeper
"I shall pass."
Doom Warden
Jalira
About my card choices at the time.. Petravark was a substitute for Goblin Settler, Apprentice Necromancer was Grim Tutor, Dystopia was Liliana of the Veil.
Also missing from the new sets are Liliana, Heretical Healer, Priest of the Blood Rite, Smoldering Marsh. For those I would've cut Cabal Therapy, Feldon of the Third Path and Tainted Peak.
Here's the list
1 Grenzo, Dungeon Warden
1 Dark Confidant
1 Soldevi Adnate
1 Apprentice Necromancer
1 Sparksmith
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Brain Maggot
1 Mesmeric Fiend
1 Fulminator Mage
1 Hypnotic Specter
1 Mad Auntie
1 Chittering Rats
1 Priest of Gix
1 Manic Vandal
1 Magus of the Moon
1 Feldon of the Third Path
1 Moggcatcher
1 Braids, Cabal Minion
1 Shimian Specter
1 Body Snatcher
1 Disciple of Phenax
1 Entomber Exarch
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Murderous Redcap
1 Petravark
1 Ravenous Baboons
1 Avalanche Riders
1 Necrotic Ooze
1 Zealous Conscripts
1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
1 Siege-Gang Commander
1 Sadistic Hypnotist
1 Triskelion
1 Phyrexian Devourer
1 Herald of Leshrac
1 Worldgorger Dragon
1 Griselbrand
Spells - 25
1 Unmask
1 Thoughtseize
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Entomb
1 Reanimate
1 Gamble
1 Faithless Looting
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Animate Dead
1 Dance of the Dead
1 Doomsday
1 Necromancy
1 Buried Alive
1 Dread Return
1 Chrome Mox
1 Snuff Out
1 Pyrokinesis
1 Dismember
1 Fire Covenant
1 Dystopia
1 Phyrexian Arena
Lands - 38
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Arid Mesa
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Marsh Flats
1 Polluted Delta
1 Bloodstained Mire
3 Snow-Covered Mountain
9 Snow-Covered Swamp
1 Blood Crypt
1 Badlands
1 Command Tower
1 Dragonskull Summit
1 Tainted Peak
1 City of Brass
1 Mana Confluence
1 Graven Cairns
1 Temple of Malice
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Howltooth Hollow
1 Spinerock Knoll
1 Rakdos Carnarium
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Gemstone Caverns
1 Wasteland
1 Cavern of Souls
1. Jace High Tide Control
2. 5CC Horde Scapeshift
3. Selvala Channel Emrakul
4. Selvala GW Combo
5. Keranos Wildfire
Damia (EDH)
Niv-Mizzet (EDH)
Karador the Hermit Druid (EDH)
Maybe too cute, but he requires immediate attention from the opponent.
Decks:
Grenzo
Jalira
Talrasha's Doom
Lazav's not here
Eldrazi Bookkeeper
"I shall pass."
Doom Warden
Jalira
Here are the results:
Tasigur = 3 - 0
Ojutai = 4 - 1
GAAIV = 1 - 9
Sidisi, Undead Vizier = 4 - 4
GAAIV match up is the worst. Creature count was too low to make Grenzo a big threat. I think goodstuff version would work well against his list though.
After the games here are my experiences with the cards/list:
Minion of the wastes, Herald of Leshrac - In games where I drew both (especially in the starting draw), they are pretty much dead. Against games vs. GAAIV and other control decks, they are amazing to flip w/ Grenzo but can be really annoying when drawn early.
Conclusion: I don't think having creature cards w/ mana cost 6++ are still viable cause of the implementation of the new mulligan rule. I'm actually considering cutting creatures above cost 6 and swap them for more cheap goblins especially goblin lords) w/ doomsday back up.
Your thoughts?
Why Mad Auntie? I see The usefulness of Priest of Gix but not her?
I like minion/herald. As for problems casting them, I almost never cast creatures regardless of their costs, and they can be huge game winners on flips. At the moment I am pretty happy with the list, still play testing but I have not been on alot lately.
Decks:
Grenzo
Jalira
Talrasha's Doom
Lazav's not here
Eldrazi Bookkeeper
"I shall pass."
Doom Warden
Jalira
Decks:
Grenzo
Jalira
Talrasha's Doom
Lazav's not here
Eldrazi Bookkeeper
"I shall pass."
Doom Warden
Jalira
Decks:
Grenzo
Jalira
Talrasha's Doom
Lazav's not here
Eldrazi Bookkeeper
"I shall pass."
Doom Warden
Jalira
Decks:
Grenzo
Jalira
Talrasha's Doom
Lazav's not here
Eldrazi Bookkeeper
"I shall pass."
Doom Warden
Jalira
Free scry is SO POWERFUL in this deck. Not gonna sell yet unless someone offers to buy the whole deck outright (without foil fetches if necessary).
1. Jace High Tide Control
2. 5CC Horde Scapeshift
3. Selvala Channel Emrakul
4. Selvala GW Combo
5. Keranos Wildfire
Damia (EDH)
Niv-Mizzet (EDH)
Karador the Hermit Druid (EDH)
I've been lurking here for a while. What is the thoughts on Collective Brutality? Seems like it does a lot of what we want.
Also, what is the thought on Cathartic Reunion vs Tormenting Voice. Digging 3 seems better.
Decks:
Grenzo
Jalira
Talrasha's Doom
Lazav's not here
Eldrazi Bookkeeper
"I shall pass."
Doom Warden
Jalira
Decks:
Grenzo
Jalira
Talrasha's Doom
Lazav's not here
Eldrazi Bookkeeper
"I shall pass."
Doom Warden
Jalira
Decks:
Grenzo
Jalira
Talrasha's Doom
Lazav's not here
Eldrazi Bookkeeper
"I shall pass."
Doom Warden
Jalira