Maybe. I wonder why no one plays her? It's possible no one plays her because we're still adapting and trying to figure out what works at 20 life. TBH I wasn't a fan of her at 30. Meren seemed almost strictly better then. Red and white are stronger colours now. I wonder if Tymaret is suffering from the problem of being besically strictly worse that Vial Smasher. Maybe when VS is gone Tymaret will start seeing play again?
Maybe. I wonder why no one plays her? It's possible no one plays her because we're still adapting and trying to figure out what works at 20 life. TBH I wasn't a fan of her at 30. Meren seemed almost strictly better then. Red and white are stronger colours now. I wonder if Tymaret is suffering from the problem of being besically strictly worse that Vial Smasher. Maybe when VS is gone Tymaret will start seeing play again?
No one played her because people are afraid to innovate. Why build fresh when you can take whatever took first place and use that? We were in a meta of Yisan/Tasigur/Marath/Narset, there was no room to innovate with an Alesha. I did, b/c I enjoyed the deck (mainly b/c it made Avalanche Riders a playable card) and b/c I just want to blow up some lands.
At 20 life it's a bit hard[er], but there's more than enough tools - helix and fili fam come to mind, and Batterskull is more important. you also get to play more burn based removal, which is better as it can realistically dome people FTW. It has more inevitability than Zurgo/Kytheon. Not inevitability, but a stronger late game...which is normal in a midrange deck. it's also nice to have a combo backup too.
Reyhan/Bruse seems to me to have a lot of potential.
You know what has a lot of potential? Mike123 playing a meta deck, getting a decent draw, and not beating a brew, proceeds to whine about a "take back" that wasn't one to save face when he taken back plays prior to it.
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Mogis has always been a legend I wanted to build around. I wonder if 20 life and the new meta shift makes him any more viable now.
Mogis is weird in that he wants to aggro but his shell and being a four makes him more conducive to midrange/control. Pretty swanky he can play Demigod though.
Mogis has always been a legend I wanted to build around. I wonder if 20 life and the new meta shift makes him any more viable now.
Mogis is weird in that he wants to aggro but his shell and being a four makes him more conducive to midrange/control. Pretty swanky he can play Demigod though.
I disagree. IMO Mogis wants to control and lockdown the opponent so all he has to do is slowly tick to 20. Sort of like a less efficient The Rack type effect. If your lucky and you play enough B/R walkers and enchantments you get to swing with a 7/5.
I have to admit that Leviathan looks quite professional from their way of publishing updates (9 in the morning), their website and way of communication.
I for one am glad to finally read the words "No Changes". Vial has 10-11% presence, which is huge, but I feel the format is too young and warrant people a little more time to adapt is all we asked when Marath/Yisan/Ooze were banned. I'm glad we didn't have any shake up, that people didn't have to throw away their decks. Breathing room is something the format desperately needed right now.
Vial has 10-11% presence ... people didn't have to throw away their decks.
I'll say two things about this. One is that there is a lot of intertia with decks IRL - that is to say, people build their decks and hang onto them for quite some time. So the fact that people have built up some Vial decks in the past few months and dominated to this degree is pretty alarming to me.
The other thing I'll mention is right in your post as well. People playing Vial *did* throw away their decks - whatever they were using before Vial - to sleeve up Vial decks. Early adopters of broken cards are absolutely not the folks you need to worry about with additions to the banlist. They're the ones you need to worry about when you let them continue to use overpowered cards that run rampant on a format.
Hum, normally I'd agree mikel123 but with the change to 20 life everyone tuned their old decks or changed to new decks. So people building Vial is not at all surprising since it's kinda brand new format we're in. Also, every year a lot of people build new decks with new Commander sets, so I'm not surprised at all.
Everyone "throws away" their previous deck to build new ones. Hell, in Brazil most people sell their old deck to build a new one. Although I'm happy we broke the trend of a mega shake up in the format every 3 months, since I just don't want even more people quitting on behalf of their deck being unplayable because of bans, I'm sure if we're right and Vial dominates the next 3 months it'll be banned and everyome will see it coming. I'm just happy the format got a few more months of homecoming before any major bans.
balangaz, have I ever said I'm representing anything here? We can disagree all you want, but I'm not here representing anyone but myself, neither is you.
There's also one tension I find odd here. I guess most people were onboard with the 20 life changes right? The thing is that, as I pointed out several times, in theory less life means a lot of things. There's less diversity of decks because fewer strategies become viable in a faster meta(playing any mono-red Commander other than Zurgo is just won't work, for example); there also means that, like any other format, the meta should shift according to dominance. It's like when a deck gets ahead in the meta, the deck that prays on it gets better and more people play it, then the deck that prays on it does the same, etc, etc, in a kinda of a cycle. This happens everywhere, specially Eternal formats. So why would you not give time to see if that's the case with Vial?
I hear Queen Marchesa has a great matchup against it. Prossh just won a tournament against it, as did Breya. So why not let people try and pickup those decks to combat Vial? Is Duel Commander really bound to be the format everything is solved by bans because people are unwilling to change decks? (this is an honest question)
Seems like Vial has a similar % to Geist and that deck is nowhere near bannable. I also don't see people complaining about how many Titania decks there are.
I personally think Vial is incredibly dangerous but I'm fully behind the RC waiting on it. 11% is not metagame stifling, although in the past the RC has banned for less. If this is a shift in philosophies that will end up with other "banned as commander" Commanders being freed I think we should all give it a chance.
Will say from a biased perspective, if Vial gets to stay even though she is a multiplayer tuned commander I think similar logic should apply to say...Oloro :nod:. Although I'm not sure if that's more of a shot at Vial or a plus for Oloro lol
I hear Queen Marchesa has a great matchup against it. Prossh just won a tournament against it, as did Breya. So why not let people try and pickup those decks to combat Vial? Is Duel Commander really bound to be the format everything is solved by bans because people are unwilling to change decks? (this is an honest question)
Queen marchesa does not have a very good match up, we had most of the people who use to play her switch decks because they couldn't beat Vial. Also, the Prossh that won the tournament split the prize without playing because he knew he had a bad match up.
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Edit: I'm thinking Silas or Ikra as the partner. Reyhan, Tymna and Ravos seem too creature based for control.
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Imo, she has more to offer than Queen March.
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No one played her because people are afraid to innovate. Why build fresh when you can take whatever took first place and use that? We were in a meta of Yisan/Tasigur/Marath/Narset, there was no room to innovate with an Alesha. I did, b/c I enjoyed the deck (mainly b/c it made Avalanche Riders a playable card) and b/c I just want to blow up some lands.
At 20 life it's a bit hard[er], but there's more than enough tools - helix and fili fam come to mind, and Batterskull is more important. you also get to play more burn based removal, which is better as it can realistically dome people FTW. It has more inevitability than Zurgo/Kytheon. Not inevitability, but a stronger late game...which is normal in a midrange deck. it's also nice to have a combo backup too.
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You know what has a lot of potential? Mike123 playing a meta deck, getting a decent draw, and not beating a brew, proceeds to whine about a "take back" that wasn't one to save face when he taken back plays prior to it.
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Mogis is weird in that he wants to aggro but his shell and being a four makes him more conducive to midrange/control. Pretty swanky he can play Demigod though.
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Still, I like the Leviathan professionalism, even though I see they are a new format and have a higher need to communicate and advertise.
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The other thing I'll mention is right in your post as well. People playing Vial *did* throw away their decks - whatever they were using before Vial - to sleeve up Vial decks. Early adopters of broken cards are absolutely not the folks you need to worry about with additions to the banlist. They're the ones you need to worry about when you let them continue to use overpowered cards that run rampant on a format.
Everyone "throws away" their previous deck to build new ones. Hell, in Brazil most people sell their old deck to build a new one. Although I'm happy we broke the trend of a mega shake up in the format every 3 months, since I just don't want even more people quitting on behalf of their deck being unplayable because of bans, I'm sure if we're right and Vial dominates the next 3 months it'll be banned and everyome will see it coming. I'm just happy the format got a few more months of homecoming before any major bans.
balangaz, have I ever said I'm representing anything here? We can disagree all you want, but I'm not here representing anyone but myself, neither is you.
I hear Queen Marchesa has a great matchup against it. Prossh just won a tournament against it, as did Breya. So why not let people try and pickup those decks to combat Vial? Is Duel Commander really bound to be the format everything is solved by bans because people are unwilling to change decks? (this is an honest question)
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StaffI personally think Vial is incredibly dangerous but I'm fully behind the RC waiting on it. 11% is not metagame stifling, although in the past the RC has banned for less. If this is a shift in philosophies that will end up with other "banned as commander" Commanders being freed I think we should all give it a chance.
Will say from a biased perspective, if Vial gets to stay even though she is a multiplayer tuned commander I think similar logic should apply to say...Oloro :nod:. Although I'm not sure if that's more of a shot at Vial or a plus for Oloro lol
Queen marchesa does not have a very good match up, we had most of the people who use to play her switch decks because they couldn't beat Vial. Also, the Prossh that won the tournament split the prize without playing because he knew he had a bad match up.