I don't really see how niche formats like competitive edh, french,and leviathan are ever going to compete on a competitive level with what WotC does. Multiplayer's kitchen table appeal is one thing, but all of you are spinning your wheels against the machine right now. I think adopting Leviathan's list would've been best case, but right now I can't see communities outside of major French cities going with it over WotC.
I'm not saying ban all the cantrips. Just the best ones. Although yes, I missed Probe and that should replace sleight of hand in my list. Taking a chunk of cantrips away would def lower consistency though and help to bring those decks closer in power level.
Hahahahah no man, Modern ban philosophy is so bad imo... I'll never get behind it. Also, I really don't think banning all that would make blue go away. Like, not at all.
Hahahahah no man, Modern ban philosophy is so bad imo... I'll never get behind it. Also, I really don't think banning all that would make blue go away. Like, not at all.
Doesn't have to go away. Just has to lessen the consistency. Which this would definitely do.
Modern ban philosophy is good, man. Games not ending before t4, board states that can be interacted with? That's best for the health of the game.
I hate Modern's midrange fest so I disagree. I dislike the format and the way it plays out. It's vulnerable to anything a little bit more broken and has Wizards banning stuff on a rhythm I dislike. Well... kinda what was going on with DC
Hahahahah no man, Modern ban philosophy is so bad imo... I'll never get behind it. Also, I really don't think banning all that would make blue go away. Like, not at all.
Modern is solid imo. There is a deck for everything you could want to do unlike Leviathan. I actually think where DC is atm is fantastic. However I'm just going to play with wizards 30 life format from now on to unify the player base.
Edit: Ultimately something that everyone including myself needs to remember is a lot of the imbalance in 1v1 commander is the inbalanced commanders themselves. Some colour combinations (such as mono B imo) have just been screwed with fringworthy generals whereas green gets home runs like Titania, Yisan and arguably Selvala
Hahahahah no man, Modern ban philosophy is so bad imo... I'll never get behind it. Also, I really don't think banning all that would make blue go away. Like, not at all.
Modern is solid imo. There is a deck for everything you could want to do unlike Leviathan. I actually think where DC is atm is fantastic. However I'm just going to play with wizards 30 life format from now on to unify the player base.
Edit: Ultimately something that everyone including myself needs to remember is a lot of the imbalance in 1v1 commander is the inbalanced commanders themselves. Some colour combinations (such as mono B imo) have just been screwed with fringworthy generals whereas green gets home runs like Titania, Yisan and arguably Selvala
Eh. Bontu the Glorified is a pretty solid mono-B commander though. Super easy to get, meaty, relevant. Cheap.
Banning blue cards is not the answer, taking away the 10lp cushion counters and cantrips were never designed to work with is.
And again, 30lp may let you make more non-competitive funbrews and not worry so much about other underpowered decks. But the proof of what format is better is in the ammount of different decks in top8s, from the las 5 tournaments I could find results in either format:
Even before the Vial&Breya ban, DC has had way more decks in the competition. And by the way, Leviathan has Necrotic Ooze, Yisan and Marath unbanned from the start but they still don't show up. Which makes me even more unwilling to believe the problem with the format's stagnation is the card pool, the problem is glaringly obvious: 30lp.
What good is a format that pretends to be diverse, if none of the diverse decks has any hopes of winning or even making tops?
As fsecco said, Leviathan is dead. The new deal is DC if you want a competitive experience with archetype variety, or WotC if you want to fool around with the most busted Oloro list ever played in non-RC banlist 1v1. Which may be a lot of fun, but isn't what I want to ever end up having to do if I want to win in a 1v1 competitive setting.
Eh. Bontu the Glorified is a pretty solid mono-B commander though. Super easy to get, meaty, relevant. Cheap.
Looks like trash to me. He forces you to jump through too many hoops and the payoff just isn't there. I can't imagine Bontu seeing any real competitive play.
Eh. Bontu the Glorified is a pretty solid mono-B commander though. Super easy to get, meaty, relevant. Cheap.
Looks like trash to me. He forces you to jump through too many hoops and the payoff just isn't there. I can't imagine Bontu seeing any real competitive play.
I don't think "1B, sacrifice a Bitterblossom token: Scry 1 then Extort" is a terribly prohibitive cost to attack for 4 with evasion and an indestructible body.
I hadn't even noticed, but a format where Shahrazad is legal should be threated like a vacation trip to Chernobyl.
It's an ONLINE-ONLY format and there's no Shahrazad on MTGO. That's why it's not banned: it doesn't exist online.
This is something that bothers me and is a problem Pauper gets and it feels very stupid. I THINK there aren't any relevant cards that don't exist in MTGO so we won't have any real problems though, like Pauper has with Sinkhole and Hymn.
I don't think "1B, sacrifice a Bitterblossom token: Scry 1 then Extort" is a terribly prohibitive cost to attack for 4 with evasion and an indestructible body.
It's bad from a tempo point of view. It would be different if the sac outlet was free, but 2 mana each turn is really going to slow you down. Then we have the problem where if BB gets removed Bontu can't do anything at all. At least Erebos can draw you cards when he can't attack or block. All the above is contingent on a turn two bitterblossom/bloodghast. The chance of that happening is too low. All the other cards that will work are eithor more expensive inhibiting a turn 3 Bontu or require hoops of its own to jump through.
I don't think "1B, sacrifice a Bitterblossom token: Scry 1 then Extort" is a terribly prohibitive cost to attack for 4 with evasion and an indestructible body.
It's bad from a tempo point of view. It would be different if the sac outlet was free, but 2 mana each turn is really going to slow you down. Then we have the problem where if BB gets removed Bontu can't do anything at all. At least Erebos can draw you cards when he can't attack or block. All the above is contingent on a turn two bitterblossom/bloodghast. The chance of that happening is too low. All the other cards that will work are eithor more expensive inabling a turn 3 Bontu or require hoops of its own to jump through.
The odds of Bontu being removed is low though (indestructible). And it's not that you have to use his effect to attack, he's just another means to an end. You could Carrion Feeder, Spawning Pit, Mind Slash, pay the upkeep on Contamination, Attrition, or or or.......you get the point.
If you really wanted, you could Altar's Reap and similar effects. Lots of ways to kill off creatures on the cheap.
The odds of Bontu being removed is low though (indestructible). And it's not that you have to use his effect to attack, he's just another means to an end. You could Carrion Feeder, Spawning Pit, Mind Slash, pay the upkeep on Contamination, Attrition, or or or.......you get the point.
If you really wanted, you could Altar's Reap and similar effects. Lots of ways to kill off creatures on the cheap.
Right I'm talking about removing the bitterblossom, not Bontu. Sure we can use another sac outlet but that just adds another piece to horrible "combo" that is attacking for 4. If he's a means to an end, what's the end?
Banning blue cards is not the answer, taking away the 10lp cushion counters and cantrips were never designed to work with is.
And again, 30lp may let you make more non-competitive funbrews and not worry so much about other underpowered decks. But the proof of what format is better is in the ammount of different decks in top8s, from the las 5 tournaments I could find results in either format:
Even before the Vial&Breya ban, DC has had way more decks in the competition. And by the way, Leviathan has Necrotic Ooze, Yisan and Marath unbanned from the start but they still don't show up. Which makes me even more unwilling to believe the problem with the format's stagnation is the card pool, the problem is glaringly obvious: 30lp.
What good is a format that pretends to be diverse, if none of the diverse decks has any hopes of winning or even making tops?
As fsecco said, Leviathan is dead. The new deal is DC if you want a competitive experience with archetype variety, or WotC if you want to fool around with the most busted Oloro list ever played in non-RC banlist 1v1. Which may be a lot of fun, but isn't what I want to ever end up having to do if I want to win in a 1v1 competitive setting.
Pretty sure non WotC 1v1 formats are dead, unless you want to play French where there will be bannings every quarter and with 20 life instead of a regular 20 life constructed format.
Well, if you want to use Wizards 1vs1 bandlist for paper games, you have to ban ante cards, dexterity cards and special cards (like the conspiracies) too.
Yeah....I don't think that's ever going to be an issue.
I must say I LOVE this change. I've been asking for a different format name for Commander x1 for a while now, and it feels great to finally have it. Should be awesome to diferentiate between playstyles and banlists without having to add a subtype to the format (Duel or EDH or Multiplayer or x1, etc).
THANKS I LOVE THIS. Let's enjoy our busted masters while we can.
Good on Wizards for reacting swiftly to the (completely justified, imo) backlash to having a single ban list for both 1v1 and multiplayer! That bodes well for the speed at which they'll respond to necessary bans, as promised.
Also: hi! I've been stalking this format for many months without playing, hoping for this unifying moment ever since the DC/Leviathan split. I'm with a lot of y'all that my hopes are with Wizards at this point. I've otherwise been frozen into inaction, without even a local scene (blehhhh NYC wtf) to just nudge me in a direction and be done with it. I've honestly never even used MTGO before, and if Wizards manages to adapt accordingly, then I intend to go that direction and finally support the platform. I haven't played any other type of Magic for significantly longer than my 1v1 Commander hiatus.
I mean I don't really care. I'm just gonna keep playing my Night's Whispers and Faithless Lootings anyway.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
Also I like Wizards approach: every banlist should be as small as possible.
I'm not saying ban all the cantrips. Just the best ones. Although yes, I missed Probe and that should replace sleight of hand in my list. Taking a chunk of cantrips away would def lower consistency though and help to bring those decks closer in power level.
#SupportModernBanPhilosophies.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
Doesn't have to go away. Just has to lessen the consistency. Which this would definitely do.
Modern ban philosophy is good, man. Games not ending before t4, board states that can be interacted with? That's best for the health of the game.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
Edit: Ultimately something that everyone including myself needs to remember is a lot of the imbalance in 1v1 commander is the inbalanced commanders themselves. Some colour combinations (such as mono B imo) have just been screwed with fringworthy generals whereas green gets home runs like Titania, Yisan and arguably Selvala
BChainer, Dementia Master(Big Mana/Reanimator)
BRRakdos, The Showstopper (Mass Life Loss/Ramp)
BUThe Scarab God (Zombie Tribal/Control)
BWKarlov of the Ghost Council (Life Gain)
BGJarad, Golgari Lich Lord (Stompy/Dredge)
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher (Tokens/Non-infinite Combo)
Eh. Bontu the Glorified is a pretty solid mono-B commander though. Super easy to get, meaty, relevant. Cheap.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
And again, 30lp may let you make more non-competitive funbrews and not worry so much about other underpowered decks. But the proof of what format is better is in the ammount of different decks in top8s, from the las 5 tournaments I could find results in either format:
DC: Vial+Kraum, Baral, Reyhan+Bruse, Akiri+Bruse, Geist, Thrasios+Vial, Breya, Gitrog, Nissa, Atraxa, Keranos, Zurgo, Nin, Jace, Titania, Clique, GAAIV.
Leviathan: Vial+Kraum, Maelstrom Wanderer, Narset, Titania, Geist, Jace/Teferi High Tide, Baral.
Even before the Vial&Breya ban, DC has had way more decks in the competition. And by the way, Leviathan has Necrotic Ooze, Yisan and Marath unbanned from the start but they still don't show up. Which makes me even more unwilling to believe the problem with the format's stagnation is the card pool, the problem is glaringly obvious: 30lp.
What good is a format that pretends to be diverse, if none of the diverse decks has any hopes of winning or even making tops?
As fsecco said, Leviathan is dead. The new deal is DC if you want a competitive experience with archetype variety, or WotC if you want to fool around with the most busted Oloro list ever played in non-RC banlist 1v1. Which may be a lot of fun, but isn't what I want to ever end up having to do if I want to win in a 1v1 competitive setting.
BChainer, Dementia Master(Big Mana/Reanimator)
BRRakdos, The Showstopper (Mass Life Loss/Ramp)
BUThe Scarab God (Zombie Tribal/Control)
BWKarlov of the Ghost Council (Life Gain)
BGJarad, Golgari Lich Lord (Stompy/Dredge)
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher (Tokens/Non-infinite Combo)
I don't think "1B, sacrifice a Bitterblossom token: Scry 1 then Extort" is a terribly prohibitive cost to attack for 4 with evasion and an indestructible body.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
This is something that bothers me and is a problem Pauper gets and it feels very stupid. I THINK there aren't any relevant cards that don't exist in MTGO so we won't have any real problems though, like Pauper has with Sinkhole and Hymn.
BChainer, Dementia Master(Big Mana/Reanimator)
BRRakdos, The Showstopper (Mass Life Loss/Ramp)
BUThe Scarab God (Zombie Tribal/Control)
BWKarlov of the Ghost Council (Life Gain)
BGJarad, Golgari Lich Lord (Stompy/Dredge)
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher (Tokens/Non-infinite Combo)
BChainer, Dementia Master(Big Mana/Reanimator)
BRRakdos, The Showstopper (Mass Life Loss/Ramp)
BUThe Scarab God (Zombie Tribal/Control)
BWKarlov of the Ghost Council (Life Gain)
BGJarad, Golgari Lich Lord (Stompy/Dredge)
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher (Tokens/Non-infinite Combo)
The odds of Bontu being removed is low though (indestructible). And it's not that you have to use his effect to attack, he's just another means to an end. You could Carrion Feeder, Spawning Pit, Mind Slash, pay the upkeep on Contamination, Attrition, or or or.......you get the point.
If you really wanted, you could Altar's Reap and similar effects. Lots of ways to kill off creatures on the cheap.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
BChainer, Dementia Master(Big Mana/Reanimator)
BRRakdos, The Showstopper (Mass Life Loss/Ramp)
BUThe Scarab God (Zombie Tribal/Control)
BWKarlov of the Ghost Council (Life Gain)
BGJarad, Golgari Lich Lord (Stompy/Dredge)
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher (Tokens/Non-infinite Combo)
Pretty sure non WotC 1v1 formats are dead, unless you want to play French where there will be bannings every quarter and with 20 life instead of a regular 20 life constructed format.
Yeah....I don't think that's ever going to be an issue.
http://wizardsmtgo.tumblr.com/post/160343614814/update-mtgo-commander
THANKS I LOVE THIS. Let's enjoy our busted masters while we can.
Also: hi! I've been stalking this format for many months without playing, hoping for this unifying moment ever since the DC/Leviathan split. I'm with a lot of y'all that my hopes are with Wizards at this point. I've otherwise been frozen into inaction, without even a local scene (blehhhh NYC wtf) to just nudge me in a direction and be done with it. I've honestly never even used MTGO before, and if Wizards manages to adapt accordingly, then I intend to go that direction and finally support the platform. I haven't played any other type of Magic for significantly longer than my 1v1 Commander hiatus.
Here's to hopin'.
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