That's because a lot of local players pretty much hate Zur, so they don't play him. But one is enough it seems since he made Top8 (He was the missing one ^^)
It's almost like Derevi isn't an unholy unbeatable unfair horrible general and also the worst thing to ever happen to Magic in the history of time, which seems to be the prevailing cry from a lot of people :p.
It's almost like Derevi isn't an unholy unbeatable unfair horrible general and also the worst thing to ever happen to Magic in the history of time, which seems to be the prevailing cry from a lot of people :p.
/sarcasm
Yeah, because being effectively uncounterable in additional to having pseudo-flash, flying, and never ever having your cost go up in spite of the official Commander rules totally isn't an overwhelming advantage versus other generals.
Oh and the tapping and untapping of permanents? Totally not abuseable in any way. Just tacked on there for funsies.
Completely balanced for Duel Commander.
/sarcasm
Not that she was designed with this format in MIND (that would be ridiculous, at least until our community grows and becomes just as recognized as multiplayer Commander) but she follows the same path as Edric - A card that was designed with multiplayer in mind but built correctly is outrageously powerful versus only one opponent.
Grats to everyone who beat the bird, though! Good to see Radha had a major showing AND that Karador is being played in spite of the Retainers ban.
Yeah, because being effectively uncounterable in additional to having pseudo-flash, flying, and never ever having your cost go up in spite of the official Commander rules totally isn't an overwhelming advantage versus other generals.
Oh and the tapping and untapping of permanents? Totally not abuseable in any way. Just tacked on there for funsies.
Completely balanced for Duel Commander.
/sarcasm
I honestly think that the format would benefit from more generals who are effectively uncounterable. It would make countermagic less useful and less ubiquitous and would force people to look outside of U for ways to deal with problematic generals. (EDIT: Obviously generals who are combo pieces shouldn't be uncounterable, but in general some more commanders who can slip under U would be a good thing)
Plus, if I remember correctly, there are several inexpensive ways to shut off her activated ability that are already prevalent in the format. And yeah, I think her triggered ability is way more balanced than it could have been, since it can only proc on an opponent's turn once (through her).
I'm not saying she isn't good. I'm not saying that the RC shouldn't pay attention to how she affects the format. But the idea that she's as bad as or worse than Edric is a huge exaggeration.
The idea that she must be banned now and is warping the format is ridiculous. She's been around for about a month. Give people time to figure out what her major weaknesses are and I guarantee she won't be as scary.
The point is, she's not unbeatable, and there absolutely should not be a rush to ban her until we have more than a month of data (and only one major tournament win) to go on.
I honestly think that the format would benefit from more generals who are effectively uncounterable. It would make countermagic less useful and less ubiquitous and would force people to look outside of U for ways to deal with problematic generals. (EDIT: Obviously generals who are combo pieces shouldn't be uncounterable, but in general some more commanders who can slip under U would be a good thing)
Plus, if I remember correctly, there are several inexpensive ways to shut off her activated ability that are already prevalent in the format. And yeah, I think her triggered ability is way more balanced than it could have been, since it can only proc on an opponent's turn once (through her).
I think with this a) we have Cavern of Souls, and that can make our general uncounterable.
I think the issue here is that she is never subtle to the general tax that comes with commander. Instead, she only ever costs 4, and I think that is an issue.
Sure there are ways for her to stop it, Pithing Needle, Phyrexian Revoker, but GW has many many ways to destroy artifacts and won't keep her contained.
I just don't want it to become a format where we have to SPECIFICALLY design our decks to beat Derevi and/or Zur. Sure, it's only been a month, but she has already dominated and it has ONLY been a month. People probably haven't even finished fine tuning the deck, let alone finding a weakness.
I just don't want it to become a format where we have to SPECIFICALLY design our decks to beat Derevi and/or Zur. Sure, it's only been a month, but she has already dominated and it has ONLY been a month. People probably haven't even finished fine tuning the deck, let alone finding a weakness.
I don't think anyone has needed to make overly-specific deck choices to be able to beat Derevi.
I would also disagree that she has dominated. She has shown up a lot, but she's only won one major tournament. She has made a lot of top 8's, but I would argue that this is more a function of a) people playing her more because she's new and is creating buzz, and b) the strength of U/W in general.
Put it this way: I am willing to bet that if Zur was not around, Esper control with Oloro or Sharuum would be showing up just as frequently as Zur does now. U/W/x is always going to be strong, and reflexively banning every general who includes U/W/x is the wrong approach. Zur has been around for a long time, so he's a different animal.
Others on the forum have pointed out that Derevi has trouble against Marath and Prossh, and Geist and Zur are more than capable of beating her. She is definitely very competitive, there's no denying that. I just think it's very premature to say that the format is inevitably headed towards "Derevi vs. Anti-Derevi" in every single matchup.
712.5b The controller of another player can't make choices or decisions for that player that aren't called for by the rules or by any objects. The controller also can't make any choices or decisions for the player that would be called for by the tournament rules.
Example: The player who's being controlled still chooses whether he or she leaves to visit the restroom, trades a card to someone else, agrees to an intentional draw, or calls a judge about an error or infraction.
A mon avis, pour la Prémiere oratrice c'est le meme probléme qui Acardus a surligné: un metagame trop aggro. Je pense que pour Zegana c'est ancor pire parce que il n'y a pas le rouge, qui est le couleur meilleur pour les sweepers. (Excusez moi pour mon français, j'ai besoin de pratique)
So basically Zegana is missing red, that is what imho still keeps Wanderer alive in this aggro/midrange metagame.
l'élite se sont des personnes d'un haut rang mais là en l’occurrence c'est de l'ironie. (je suis aussi un poil honteux que ce soit des Français qui se plaignent encore) Effectivement y'a beaucoup de relou de service chez nous. Je suis capable de traduire de l'anglais (via google translate ;-) ), je pense que tout le monde peut traduire du français d'autant que le format duel commander est français par essence.
No, I would generally just ignore it. If you go to the main forum and find the red link that says "Forum Rules" it states to do the best you can to use a language we can all understand. As English is the currently the most commonly spoken and understood language, that is the language that is generally expected to be used. Saying that Duel Commander is French EDH so you might as well be typing in French makes no sense, that's like saying you have to speak Korean when talking about your Hyundai.
As far as I am concerned it is disrespectful to Duel Commander players on this forum and shows an air of elitism that you feel that everyone should have to translate your French because the format is "essentially French."
Edit: From the Forum rules page
Repeated Bad Spelling and/or Grammar
Continuous bad grammar, "text speak" or bad spelling in posts will not be tolerated. If English is not your first language and you use some words or grammar out of place, or you occasionally make mistakes don't worry. Only members who consistently make no effort to communicate clearly will get an Infraction.
Furthermore, this is an English forum, and users are expected to use English to communicate. Some non-English words here and there isn't going to be an issue, but conversations in other languages are not allowed. Exceptions exist, but they must be pre-approved by staff.
Wait, what? I don't understand. It's not like y'all are required to find a translation for his words, you can just ignore them. Why would you request that he not post on the forum if he has a question that one of our french speakers can answer?
We're trying to grow this format, not shrink it. Acceptance and tolerance of international differences is going to help that. Statements like those above are going to hinder it.
It's not someone's "responsibility" to learn an entirely new language just to post here. If they were getting upset that no-one else spoke english that'd be one thing, but berating someone for asking a question in another language is rude and prejudiced, imo.
Magnou, I apologize for the rest of us. I'm glad you're here ^.^
Wait, what? I don't understand. It's not like y'all are required to find a translation for his words, you can just ignore them. Why would you request that he not post on the forum if he has a question that one of our french speakers can answer?
We're trying to grow this format, not shrink it. Acceptance and tolerance of international differences is going to help that. Statements like those above are going to hinder it.
It's not someone's "responsibility" to learn an entirely new language just to post here. If they were getting upset that no-one else spoke english that'd be one thing, but berating someone for asking a question in another language is rude and prejudiced, imo.
Magnou, I apologize for the rest of us. I'm glad you're here ^.^
A question can be asked or answered via MP. The forum rules clearly state that posts are to be in English. There are hundreds of people on this forum for which English isn't their first language but they manage just fine.
A question can be asked or answered via MP. The forum rules clearly state that posts are to be in English. There are hundreds of people on this forum for which English isn't their first language but they manage just fine.
+1 on that. totally agree.
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Even if I agree with Ferverous about the language discussion, I apologize for my post in French. I'm just studying it and a bit of practice is good, but I translated my post in English too, so it should be fine. If the forum rules says that we have to write in English, we write in English.
This said, a question could be answered via PM, it's true. But what about other users that understand French or are so interested that would translate the sentence via Google? Sincerely, I got some information from Magnou that otherwise I couldn't have got, because I'm not French and I don't know him.
I'm not justifying him. In my opinion, it's fine that he write in French, but he need to add a translation, even a bad one made with Google, just for the respect of the forum rules. Because a decent translation requires no effort and makes the post comprehensible for all the users.
If you'll do this for your next posts, Magnou, I'm really happy that you joined us in this discussion.
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The winner doesn't want his decklist to be public, so it's missing.
This so much.
Odd that there were so many Rhada's but none made top 8, also strange that there was only one Zur player.
(Multiplayer)
BRGKarrthus, Tyrant of Jund
WUBSharuum the Hegemon
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It's almost like Derevi isn't an unholy unbeatable unfair horrible general and also the worst thing to ever happen to Magic in the history of time, which seems to be the prevailing cry from a lot of people :p.
Derevi, Empyrial TacticianWUGMultiplayer
/sarcasm
Yeah, because being effectively uncounterable in additional to having pseudo-flash, flying, and never ever having your cost go up in spite of the official Commander rules totally isn't an overwhelming advantage versus other generals.
Oh and the tapping and untapping of permanents? Totally not abuseable in any way. Just tacked on there for funsies.
Completely balanced for Duel Commander.
/sarcasm
Not that she was designed with this format in MIND (that would be ridiculous, at least until our community grows and becomes just as recognized as multiplayer Commander) but she follows the same path as Edric - A card that was designed with multiplayer in mind but built correctly is outrageously powerful versus only one opponent.
Grats to everyone who beat the bird, though! Good to see Radha had a major showing AND that Karador is being played in spite of the Retainers ban.
I honestly think that the format would benefit from more generals who are effectively uncounterable. It would make countermagic less useful and less ubiquitous and would force people to look outside of U for ways to deal with problematic generals. (EDIT: Obviously generals who are combo pieces shouldn't be uncounterable, but in general some more commanders who can slip under U would be a good thing)
Plus, if I remember correctly, there are several inexpensive ways to shut off her activated ability that are already prevalent in the format. And yeah, I think her triggered ability is way more balanced than it could have been, since it can only proc on an opponent's turn once (through her).
I'm not saying she isn't good. I'm not saying that the RC shouldn't pay attention to how she affects the format. But the idea that she's as bad as or worse than Edric is a huge exaggeration.
The idea that she must be banned now and is warping the format is ridiculous. She's been around for about a month. Give people time to figure out what her major weaknesses are and I guarantee she won't be as scary.
The point is, she's not unbeatable, and there absolutely should not be a rush to ban her until we have more than a month of data (and only one major tournament win) to go on.
Derevi, Empyrial TacticianWUGMultiplayer
I think with this a) we have Cavern of Souls, and that can make our general uncounterable.
I think the issue here is that she is never subtle to the general tax that comes with commander. Instead, she only ever costs 4, and I think that is an issue.
Sure there are ways for her to stop it, Pithing Needle, Phyrexian Revoker, but GW has many many ways to destroy artifacts and won't keep her contained.
I just don't want it to become a format where we have to SPECIFICALLY design our decks to beat Derevi and/or Zur. Sure, it's only been a month, but she has already dominated and it has ONLY been a month. People probably haven't even finished fine tuning the deck, let alone finding a weakness.
(R/W)WRAnax and Cymede: RW AggroRW(R/W)
WWWThalia, Guardian of Thraben: White Weenie AggroWWW
BUGThe Mimeoplasm: Graveyard ComboGUB
(W/B)BWAthreos, God of Passage: Orzhov ShinnanigansBW(W/B)
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I don't think anyone has needed to make overly-specific deck choices to be able to beat Derevi.
I would also disagree that she has dominated. She has shown up a lot, but she's only won one major tournament. She has made a lot of top 8's, but I would argue that this is more a function of a) people playing her more because she's new and is creating buzz, and b) the strength of U/W in general.
Put it this way: I am willing to bet that if Zur was not around, Esper control with Oloro or Sharuum would be showing up just as frequently as Zur does now. U/W/x is always going to be strong, and reflexively banning every general who includes U/W/x is the wrong approach. Zur has been around for a long time, so he's a different animal.
Others on the forum have pointed out that Derevi has trouble against Marath and Prossh, and Geist and Zur are more than capable of beating her. She is definitely very competitive, there's no denying that. I just think it's very premature to say that the format is inevitably headed towards "Derevi vs. Anti-Derevi" in every single matchup.
Derevi, Empyrial TacticianWUGMultiplayer
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Example: The player who's being controlled still chooses whether he or she leaves to visit the restroom, trades a card to someone else, agrees to an intentional draw, or calls a judge about an error or infraction.
How about this?
Well, it seems your french is worst than your english.
Regarding the tournament, I am surprised not to see any Prime Speaker Zegana deck.
So basically Zegana is missing red, that is what imho still keeps Wanderer alive in this aggro/midrange metagame.
Qu'est-ce que l'élite parlez-vous?
(google translate! :D)
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No, I would generally just ignore it. If you go to the main forum and find the red link that says "Forum Rules" it states to do the best you can to use a language we can all understand. As English is the currently the most commonly spoken and understood language, that is the language that is generally expected to be used. Saying that Duel Commander is French EDH so you might as well be typing in French makes no sense, that's like saying you have to speak Korean when talking about your Hyundai.
As far as I am concerned it is disrespectful to Duel Commander players on this forum and shows an air of elitism that you feel that everyone should have to translate your French because the format is "essentially French."
Edit: From the Forum rules page
We're trying to grow this format, not shrink it. Acceptance and tolerance of international differences is going to help that. Statements like those above are going to hinder it.
It's not someone's "responsibility" to learn an entirely new language just to post here. If they were getting upset that no-one else spoke english that'd be one thing, but berating someone for asking a question in another language is rude and prejudiced, imo.
Magnou, I apologize for the rest of us. I'm glad you're here ^.^
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A question can be asked or answered via MP. The forum rules clearly state that posts are to be in English. There are hundreds of people on this forum for which English isn't their first language but they manage just fine.
+1 on that. totally agree.
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This said, a question could be answered via PM, it's true. But what about other users that understand French or are so interested that would translate the sentence via Google? Sincerely, I got some information from Magnou that otherwise I couldn't have got, because I'm not French and I don't know him.
I'm not justifying him. In my opinion, it's fine that he write in French, but he need to add a translation, even a bad one made with Google, just for the respect of the forum rules. Because a decent translation requires no effort and makes the post comprehensible for all the users.
If you'll do this for your next posts, Magnou, I'm really happy that you joined us in this discussion.