New card in M20 Announced. It's an Angel 7 drop with 3 white mana. It gives indestructible too all other flying creatures. The card itself also has flying and lifelink and yet another effect. Pay 1 white and tap 4 creatures to play a spell instead of paying that spells manacost.
Seems I'm a bit slow out the gate with these ones. I want to say the angel looks great but i suspect it's as much a trap as Angelic Overseer was. Time will tell, of course, so I remain skeptically optimistic.
Demon is straight gas though. Probably wasn't even play tested but hey I won't complain about my fetchlands cantripping...
Not incredibly excited for Sephara, Sky's Blade. The alt cost asks you to forego ~20 points of damage and requires pretty Timmy-esque deck construction. If we're not paying the alt cost then she's basically a weaker redundant version of Avacyn, Angel of Hope.
Vilis, Broker of Blood is poggers though. "B: Draw 2 cards" sounds amazing as we'll often have mana to activate him as soon as he hits the field, and incidentally kills mana dorks/utility creatures as well. Works with Razaketh, the Foulblooded, Vampiric Tutor, all our black card draw, a huge chunk of our manabase - not just fetches but shocks, City of Brass, Hall of the Bandit Lord(!) - you name it. Even provides protection by discouraging creature-based decks from attacking. Busted card and one of the best Kaalia targets in recent memory imo.
Vilis, Broker of Blood is poggers though. "B: Draw 2 cards" sounds amazing as we'll often have mana to activate him as soon as he hits the field, and incidentally kills mana dorks/utility creatures as well. Works with Razaketh, the Foulblooded, Vampiric Tutor, all our black card draw, a huge chunk of our manabase - not just fetches but shocks, City of Brass, Hall of the Bandit Lord(!) - you name it. Even provides protection by discouraging creature-based decks from attacking. Busted card and one of the best Kaalia targets in recent memory imo.
This actually brings up an interesting point - new demon + the already incredibly efficient Doom Whisperer. now your free Scries are also netting you a draw2 per activation.
2 life: draw 2, then look at the top two cards and bin any extraneous cards. Our two life now digs four cards deep for 0. As if the new demon needed any extra incentive to play it...
Not to mention all our fetchlands, Shocks, Mana Confluence, City of Brass, Painlands (If you run them), Horizon lands (if you run them), Necropotence and so much more, also draw us cards.
Our deck does a good job in hurting us, might as well provide gas now.
Finally got the money to buy the pre-con deck for Kaalia of the Vast and I got Sephara and New Kaalia coming in. I can't wait to become public enemy #1 at the table
Finally got the money to buy the pre-con deck for Kaalia of the Vast and I got Sephara and New Kaalia coming in. I can't wait to become public enemy #1 at the table
You bought the stock Heavenly Inferno?! I always thought that was a bit too much of a markup for what the deck contained. Wish I'd have known, I'd point you towards the starter "white border" Kaalia. At least for the investment, you'd get a stronger, more cohesive deck (and most of the cost comes from the tutour suite/abu duals. without those, the whole list is practically pennies). Anyway, welcome aboard, and feel free to follow my continued dedication to the deck over on @mtgnexus!
Finally got the money to buy the pre-con deck for Kaalia of the Vast and I got Sephara and New Kaalia coming in. I can't wait to become public enemy #1 at the table
You bought the stock Heavenly Inferno?! I always thought that was a bit too much of a markup for what the deck contained. Wish I'd have known, I'd point you towards the starter "white border" Kaalia. At least for the investment, you'd get a stronger, more cohesive deck (and most of the cost comes from the tutour suite/abu duals. without those, the whole list is practically pennies). Anyway, welcome aboard, and feel free to follow my continued dedication to the deck over on @mtgnexus!
Honestly, the thought of having something playable and ready for future upgrades is nice to know
I do dislike the lack of low cost plays in the deck (something I want to fix) I want to play later today to get a better feel for it.
Finally got the money to buy the pre-con deck for Kaalia of the Vast and I got Sephara and New Kaalia coming in. I can't wait to become public enemy #1 at the table
You bought the stock Heavenly Inferno?! I always thought that was a bit too much of a markup for what the deck contained. Wish I'd have known, I'd point you towards the starter "white border" Kaalia. At least for the investment, you'd get a stronger, more cohesive deck (and most of the cost comes from the tutour suite/abu duals. without those, the whole list is practically pennies). Anyway, welcome aboard, and feel free to follow my continued dedication to the deck over on @mtgnexus!
Honestly, the thought of having something playable and ready for future upgrades is nice to know
I do dislike the lack of low cost plays in the deck (something I want to fix) I want to play later today to get a better feel for it.
I wish the stock Heavenly Inferno actually was able to keep it's original pieces as you begin optimizing the Kaalia deck. But noooooo, instead they put in multi-kicker guys and a high drop that only works if you cast it. Way to work in anti-synergy, R&D.
Still, it brings me such joy to see more new Kaalia pilots coming into the format.
So I misevaluated Backdraft Hellkite. Turns out getting a free four cmc sorcery on attacks is pretty good. So uhhh, yeah, despite the non-synergy with contract, I think that's a bit too strong to resist.
So I misevaluated Backdraft Hellkite. Turns out getting a free four cmc sorcery on attacks is pretty good. So uhhh, yeah, despite the non-synergy with contract, I think that's a bit too strong to resist.
I feel Chandra, Acolyte of Flame is better in this case compared to Backdraft Hellkite. She has a cheaper casting cost and potential upside to flashback cheap spells (tutors, draw, spot removal, etc.) the turn she comes into play and is less vulnerable to spot removal and board wipes.
Hmm. The power level for walkers to get into this deck is incredibly high (where looking at Liliana of the Veil levels and geddon Ajani V, plus sometimes Nahiri). So I'm a bit skeptical of new walkers that remain mostly untested. At first glance, it appears to play similarly to Recoup, but with only flashing back cmc </= 3.
Compare to dragon that is sometimes free (this always costs 3), and let's us flashback any in our grave and isn't limited to one spell. If that sounds like I'm being a bit harsh, I apologize. Do you have any data to contribute about the proposed card that would suggest it to perform better than a repeating past in flames? I'd love to analyze it.
I don`t have much data as I play maybe twice a month in a multiplayer setting and maybe a few times 1v1 online.
My opinion on Backdraft Hellkite is that it seems vulnerable and slow. Say you cheat him with Kaalia, he does nothing that turn and you hope he survives till the next turn which is not very likely seeing how much creature removal there is edh. Even if you meet optimal conditions to hard cast him for 5 with a haste enabler in play there`s is a good chance you`re either tapped out or close to being tapped out so you`re only flashbacking one low casting cost card which is basically what Chandra, Acolyte of Flame does anyway.
Maybe it`s just a personal preference since I build my Kaalia deck as a bit of a hybrid that can be played in a multiplayer or 1v1 (75%) setting but this dragon most time will not have immediate impact which I find to be crucial. I would rather run Chandra, Acolyte of Flame, Mizzix's Mastery, or Goblin Dark-Dwellers.
I don`t have much data as I play maybe twice a month in a multiplayer setting and maybe a few times 1v1 online.
My opinion on Backdraft Hellkite is that it seems vulnerable and slow. Say you cheat him with Kaalia, he does nothing that turn and you hope he survives till the next turn which is not very likely seeing how much creature removal there is edh. Even if you meet optimal conditions to hard cast him for 5 with a haste enabler in play there`s is a good chance you`re either tapped out or close to being tapped out so you`re only flashbacking one low casting cost card which is basically what Chandra, Acolyte of Flame does anyway.
Hmm. Okay, so in the optimal condition where you hardcast dragon, attack, and maybe rebuy a one drop (plowshares, we'll say) you got in for 5 and exiled their best guy for 3WRR which isn't a terrible rate, though it isn't good either. On the other hand, with Chandra and casting that same plowshares in that turn, you're paying 1WRR - you save two mana and lose the five point swing. That's on the first turn. Assuming they would stick around, chandra is gonna cast one more </= 3 spell and then go away while the dragon is going to past in flames which clearly is way better.
My verdict is the dragon clearly has way more upside than chandra, and is better any turn after the first, and is usually better although not strictly so on the first, than chandra. Chandra is also always 1RR (really four, since you're not casting this without rebuying something) while Dragon is sometimes free with Kaalia, and can be okay if not exciting on it's own. It's also drawing some fire off Kaalia, or at least should as it's a much more scary threat than my 2/2 flyer.
I think I’m going to try putting together a kaalia reanimator deck. Was looking through my collection and realized that. I already had a lot of decent targets and Mardu and reanimator stuff. At least enough to make a starter list. Also want to use my avacyn and kaalia
Thx deck looks cool and looks helpful. Don’t think I’ll go Stax though outside of MLD. Will probably try running world gorger combo or more removal/wrath’s instead.
I just wanted to stop in and say how glad I am to see thet this thread is still active and that 3drinks is still here. Back when I was in grad school and had half a dozen close friends who all played EDH almost daily, Kaalia was the first 75% deck that I made, and this thread and 3drinks' input on how to build Kaalia for 1v1 vs. multiplayer were huge influences on that build. All those friends have long since moved away, I've had 2 kids, and with those and other factors I haven't played paper magic in years. Some recently-printed legends piqued my interest, though, so I thought I'd just poke my head back in and, like I said, it warms my heart to find this thread still here. I'd of been super sad if it had fallen into disrepair.
I just wanted to stop in and say how glad I am to see thet this thread is still active and that 3drinks is still here. Back when I was in grad school and had half a dozen close friends who all played EDH almost daily, Kaalia was the first 75% deck that I made, and this thread and 3drinks' input on how to build Kaalia for 1v1 vs. multiplayer were huge influences on that build. All those friends have long since moved away, I've had 2 kids, and with those and other factors I haven't played paper magic in years. Some recently-printed legends piqued my interest, though, so I thought I'd just poke my head back in and, like I said, it warms my heart to find this thread still here. I'd of been super sad if it had fallen into disrepair.
Well there's a name I haven't seen in years. Good to see you're doing well!
Yes, Kaalia is still close to my heart, even as i reach what i believe to be her apex - the Lilliana's Contract combo. I also developed the new Kaalia under an Astral Slide package, over on mtgnexus. Speaking of nexus, this ou s where I've mostly migrated over to, it's like a rebirth of mtgsally without the spaghetti code built on an adware framework that is this site. You should swing by, get discussion pumping again.
Name: Sephara, Sky's Blade
New card in M20 Announced. It's an Angel 7 drop with 3 white mana. It gives indestructible too all other flying creatures. The card itself also has flying and lifelink and yet another effect. Pay 1 white and tap 4 creatures to play a spell instead of paying that spells manacost.
Link above to check it out.
Seems I'm a bit slow out the gate with these ones. I want to say the angel looks great but i suspect it's as much a trap as Angelic Overseer was. Time will tell, of course, so I remain skeptically optimistic.
Demon is straight gas though. Probably wasn't even play tested but hey I won't complain about my fetchlands cantripping...
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
Vilis, Broker of Blood is poggers though. "B: Draw 2 cards" sounds amazing as we'll often have mana to activate him as soon as he hits the field, and incidentally kills mana dorks/utility creatures as well. Works with Razaketh, the Foulblooded, Vampiric Tutor, all our black card draw, a huge chunk of our manabase - not just fetches but shocks, City of Brass, Hall of the Bandit Lord(!) - you name it. Even provides protection by discouraging creature-based decks from attacking. Busted card and one of the best Kaalia targets in recent memory imo.
This actually brings up an interesting point - new demon + the already incredibly efficient Doom Whisperer. now your free Scries are also netting you a draw2 per activation.
2 life: draw 2, then look at the top two cards and bin any extraneous cards. Our two life now digs four cards deep for 0. As if the new demon needed any extra incentive to play it...
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
Our deck does a good job in hurting us, might as well provide gas now.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
You bought the stock Heavenly Inferno?! I always thought that was a bit too much of a markup for what the deck contained. Wish I'd have known, I'd point you towards the starter "white border" Kaalia. At least for the investment, you'd get a stronger, more cohesive deck (and most of the cost comes from the tutour suite/abu duals. without those, the whole list is practically pennies). Anyway, welcome aboard, and feel free to follow my continued dedication to the deck over on @mtgnexus!
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
Honestly, the thought of having something playable and ready for future upgrades is nice to know
I do dislike the lack of low cost plays in the deck (something I want to fix) I want to play later today to get a better feel for it.
I wish the stock Heavenly Inferno actually was able to keep it's original pieces as you begin optimizing the Kaalia deck. But noooooo, instead they put in multi-kicker guys and a high drop that only works if you cast it. Way to work in anti-synergy, R&D.
Still, it brings me such joy to see more new Kaalia pilots coming into the format.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
It doesn't. Iona hasn't been strong enough to play in six years.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
This dragon has the problem of costing RRR
Though a reanimator package and sneak attack would help this card's inclusion.
Not strictly better. This guy can create a 11 point swing or just annihilate a board with pinpoint strikes. I'd say it's role is different enough.
And, hey, it retailed for under a buck so what's the harm?
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
I feel Chandra, Acolyte of Flame is better in this case compared to Backdraft Hellkite. She has a cheaper casting cost and potential upside to flashback cheap spells (tutors, draw, spot removal, etc.) the turn she comes into play and is less vulnerable to spot removal and board wipes.
Compare to dragon that is sometimes free (this always costs 3), and let's us flashback any in our grave and isn't limited to one spell. If that sounds like I'm being a bit harsh, I apologize. Do you have any data to contribute about the proposed card that would suggest it to perform better than a repeating past in flames? I'd love to analyze it.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
My opinion on Backdraft Hellkite is that it seems vulnerable and slow. Say you cheat him with Kaalia, he does nothing that turn and you hope he survives till the next turn which is not very likely seeing how much creature removal there is edh. Even if you meet optimal conditions to hard cast him for 5 with a haste enabler in play there`s is a good chance you`re either tapped out or close to being tapped out so you`re only flashbacking one low casting cost card which is basically what Chandra, Acolyte of Flame does anyway.
Maybe it`s just a personal preference since I build my Kaalia deck as a bit of a hybrid that can be played in a multiplayer or 1v1 (75%) setting but this dragon most time will not have immediate impact which I find to be crucial. I would rather run Chandra, Acolyte of Flame, Mizzix's Mastery, or Goblin Dark-Dwellers.
Hmm. Okay, so in the optimal condition where you hardcast dragon, attack, and maybe rebuy a one drop (plowshares, we'll say) you got in for 5 and exiled their best guy for 3WRR which isn't a terrible rate, though it isn't good either. On the other hand, with Chandra and casting that same plowshares in that turn, you're paying 1WRR - you save two mana and lose the five point swing. That's on the first turn. Assuming they would stick around, chandra is gonna cast one more </= 3 spell and then go away while the dragon is going to past in flames which clearly is way better.
My verdict is the dragon clearly has way more upside than chandra, and is better any turn after the first, and is usually better although not strictly so on the first, than chandra. Chandra is also always 1RR (really four, since you're not casting this without rebuying something) while Dragon is sometimes free with Kaalia, and can be okay if not exciting on it's own. It's also drawing some fire off Kaalia, or at least should as it's a much more scary threat than my 2/2 flyer.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kaalia-of-the-vast-multiplayer-3/
R.I.P. Sundering Titan (6/20/12) and Braids, Cabal Minion (9/12/14)
Well there's a name I haven't seen in years. Good to see you're doing well!
Yes, Kaalia is still close to my heart, even as i reach what i believe to be her apex - the Lilliana's Contract combo. I also developed the new Kaalia under an Astral Slide package, over on mtgnexus. Speaking of nexus, this ou s where I've mostly migrated over to, it's like a rebirth of mtgsally without the spaghetti code built on an adware framework that is this site. You should swing by, get discussion pumping again.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.