I am thinking of building this deck for competitive play, Would Aether Vile be any good? You could vile in a "Duress on legs" and then play a Geddon/ Ravages of War. It would add in another first turn threat.
You have three planeswalkers (Garruk, Sorin and Liliana), yet no Elspeth, Knight-Errant among them. I always thought that Elspeth is a huge game-winning bomb, one of the very few 4+ CMC spells worth playing in Doran or Anafenza. Are Sorin and Garruk really that much better?
I am thinking of building this deck for competitive play, Would Aether Vile be any good? You could vile in a "Duress on legs" and then play a Geddon/ Ravages of War. It would add in another first turn threat.
Haven't tried Aether Vial so i don't know how is it in this deck... it might work of course specially if your meta if full of blue, but our crits are already cheap so i don't know how much help it will be... you can test it of course then share your results
You have three planeswalkers (Garruk, Sorin and Liliana), yet no Elspeth, Knight-Errant among them. I always thought that Elspeth is a huge game-winning bomb, one of the very few 4+ CMC spells worth playing in Doran or Anafenza. Are Sorin and Garruk really that much better?
I've sold my Elspeth along time ago and heven't bought one again
Garruk Relentless is removal specially for Animar, tutor/tokens/pump when flipped.
LOTV is LOTV
Sorin make a token with LIFELINK, and that's what got me sold on him... and yes he permanently pumps.
I know Elspeth is strong, she's a one woman army Tokenator plus evasion+pump is really scary... if I'm gonna use her I'll swap her for Sorin... I don't wanna up my 'blank' cards when teeg is out and I'm that paranoid hahaha
Against Animar, what do you think of Savage Punch?
It will look good in paper, but the main problem with animar is he gets big fast!
the only time it will be good is when animar is still little and those scenarios are scarce
outside the animar mu, it seems fine if there are lots of aggro
I'm really liking Champion of Lambholt specially against animar, with it you can race him unless he draws to combos
Wow, that list looks pretty scary! I love the Vault of Archangel! Will probably use it in place of Gavony Township in my list.
You should probably find a spot for Aven Mindcensor, it's stil a bomb no matter what.
Iwamori is scary but an opponent landing Linvala might happen, or V Clique.
Why no SOFAI, I'll probably use it first before the Wargear, it's one of those cards that helps against Prossh.
Maybe Garruk Relentless in, Advent of the Wurm out.
IMO Go for the Throat swap for Snuff Out.
Watchwolf is also cuttable... it can become Sylvan Library.
If it's me, I'll change Wrench Mind and Gerrard's Verdict to Mesmeric Fiend and Brain Maggot.
Seeing Vengevine, won't Survival be good for the list?
That's right, trample and haste are what's lacking.
I get all your points, but ain't your meta there still full of control?
I see now the story behind the Savage Punch, it very very good in your list
I see! Please share your results after testing.
My internet is crap so I can't test on cockatrice, so joining tourneys is the only time I can really test my decks. Luckily, I get to play 3 time a week
Goodluck with that build! I'll probably try some cards there since aggro is what our meta have become.
Warden is being discussed everywhere including Reddit. My take on it is that it's a great aggressive card that will be live any turn you draw/play it. You would still much rather have the turn 1 dork or discard spell with Anafenza rather than this on turn 1, and activating it to be a 3/3 on turn 2. If I was on the other end of a turn 1 warden vs Anafenza, I would welcome that play more than the dork/discard. Turn 1 Warden means turn 2 Anafenza ain't gonna happen, and turn 1 disruption wasn't there to screw with my starting hand. I can still see it being playable - maybe replacing the Skinshifter.
Garruk Relentless is removal specially for Animar, tutor/tokens/pump when flipped.
LOTV is LOTV
Sorin make a token with LIFELINK, and that's what got me sold on him... and yes he permanently pumps.
I know Elspeth is strong, she's a one woman army Tokenator plus evasion+pump is really scary... if I'm gonna use her I'll swap her for Sorin... I don't wanna up my 'blank' cards when teeg is out and I'm that paranoid hahaha
I totally understand not wanting too many 4 CMC cards in Anafenza - my question was not "shouldn't you add Elspeth", but more like "shouldn't you swap Garruk or Sorin for Elspeth". Garruk in particular makes me scratch my head: yes, he's good against Animar, but in other matchups there are better removal, token or pump options. Am I missing something?
How about ranger of eos, mistcutter hydra + warden package? Seems like a strong choice. I've tested eos mistcutter, wins games.
The current list is very tight atm... and those two cards though indeed powerful in some mu, might not be for me... against decks that I want to see Mistcutter will mostly be blue but I'm currently ok with those mu w/o the hydra... I'd rather use Skylasher first tbh... if your meta is really heavy blue, then Skylasher and Mistcutter deserve slots.
Ranger tutors for 1 cmc... nothing much to tutor for that will help immediately... if we want this to work as a tutor for a bomb why not make this slot a bomb itself.
About the Warden, I'm finally seeing using it. Sorry I'm slow to react positively hahaha, but still testing will prove it.
I totally understand not wanting too many 4 CMC cards in Anafenza - my question was not "shouldn't you add Elspeth", but more like "shouldn't you swap Garruk or Sorin for Elspeth". Garruk in particular makes me scratch my head: yes, he's good against Animar, but in other matchups there are better removal, token or pump options. Am I missing something?
Garruk is good in a meta filled with aggro and critter based combos as it can remove small utility crits... it pumps tokens too against control... for a long time, I haven't been sold on him but after facing Animar (sorry, it's a bad mu), Garruk is still another good removal.
And there's also him flipping.
Sorin... as I've said makes lifelink tokens... and his pump is permanent... the deck tends to 'swarm', so spread out pump is better than a single pump... as I've said about the meta here, I currently find him better than Elspeth.
If I'm using Silverblade Palladin in place of Hero of Bladehold, I might consider swapping out Sorin for Elspeth.
Played in a very small tourney earlier, 3 rounds:
Rd1 draw vs Anafenza, Rd2 bye, Rd3 win vs Surrak. I won and got Flooded Strand from one of my packs!
I got to play Vault of the Archangel in the Surrak round game 2... And I love it now!
I'm currently thinking if Braids is still ok, since our meta is shifting to aggro/combo what do you guys think?
Well if I'm going back to Doran and have a spare spot for a colorless land, I'd still go for Vault.
I think in an agrro/midrange meta Vault is better... if control is more prevalent, Gavony for the push.
That hurts
Well that's one of the things I considering when putting 'high' costed cards and another is Teeg... but the chance is small here in Anafenza so it's still viable... what matters is if you're comfortable with it in your 99 beside being highly effective.
yikes, very sorry about that. Seems I was unprofessional in that post.
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Haven't tried Aether Vial so i don't know how is it in this deck... it might work of course specially if your meta if full of blue, but our crits are already cheap so i don't know how much help it will be... you can test it of course then share your results
I've sold my Elspeth along time ago and heven't bought one again
Garruk Relentless is removal specially for Animar, tutor/tokens/pump when flipped.
LOTV is LOTV
Sorin make a token with LIFELINK, and that's what got me sold on him... and yes he permanently pumps.
I know Elspeth is strong, she's a one woman army Tokenator plus evasion+pump is really scary... if I'm gonna use her I'll swap her for Sorin... I don't wanna up my 'blank' cards when teeg is out and I'm that paranoid hahaha
It will look good in paper, but the main problem with animar is he gets big fast!
the only time it will be good is when animar is still little and those scenarios are scarce
outside the animar mu, it seems fine if there are lots of aggro
I'm really liking Champion of Lambholt specially against animar, with it you can race him unless he draws to combos
You should probably find a spot for Aven Mindcensor, it's stil a bomb no matter what.
Iwamori is scary but an opponent landing Linvala might happen, or V Clique.
Why no SOFAI, I'll probably use it first before the Wargear, it's one of those cards that helps against Prossh.
Maybe Garruk Relentless in, Advent of the Wurm out.
IMO Go for the Throat swap for Snuff Out.
Watchwolf is also cuttable... it can become Sylvan Library.
If it's me, I'll change Wrench Mind and Gerrard's Verdict to Mesmeric Fiend and Brain Maggot.
Seeing Vengevine, won't Survival be good for the list?
I get all your points, but ain't your meta there still full of control?
I see now the story behind the Savage Punch, it very very good in your list
My internet is crap so I can't test on cockatrice, so joining tourneys is the only time I can really test my decks. Luckily, I get to play 3 time a week
Goodluck with that build! I'll probably try some cards there since aggro is what our meta have become.
EDIT: @Asimov ... O-NAGINATA!
I think, maybe Maelstrom Pulse and Vindicate are too good to not play. At least Sinkhole.
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I totally understand not wanting too many 4 CMC cards in Anafenza - my question was not "shouldn't you add Elspeth", but more like "shouldn't you swap Garruk or Sorin for Elspeth". Garruk in particular makes me scratch my head: yes, he's good against Animar, but in other matchups there are better removal, token or pump options. Am I missing something?
I saw Abzan Falconer in some more traditional, disruptive builds - are you saying that Tuskguard Captain would be a better choice?
GWU Derevi, the Prison Queen UWG
The current list is very tight atm... and those two cards though indeed powerful in some mu, might not be for me... against decks that I want to see Mistcutter will mostly be blue but I'm currently ok with those mu w/o the hydra... I'd rather use Skylasher first tbh... if your meta is really heavy blue, then Skylasher and Mistcutter deserve slots.
Ranger tutors for 1 cmc... nothing much to tutor for that will help immediately... if we want this to work as a tutor for a bomb why not make this slot a bomb itself.
About the Warden, I'm finally seeing using it. Sorry I'm slow to react positively hahaha, but still testing will prove it.
Garruk is good in a meta filled with aggro and critter based combos as it can remove small utility crits... it pumps tokens too against control... for a long time, I haven't been sold on him but after facing Animar (sorry, it's a bad mu), Garruk is still another good removal.
And there's also him flipping.
Sorin... as I've said makes lifelink tokens... and his pump is permanent... the deck tends to 'swarm', so spread out pump is better than a single pump... as I've said about the meta here, I currently find him better than Elspeth.
If I'm using Silverblade Palladin in place of Hero of Bladehold, I might consider swapping out Sorin for Elspeth.
How's Murderous Cut?
Shriekmaw is indeed playable, the only downside is it getting revealed by Bob, but that's it.
Rd1 draw vs Anafenza, Rd2 bye, Rd3 win vs Surrak. I won and got Flooded Strand from one of my packs!
I got to play Vault of the Archangel in the Surrak round game 2... And I love it now!
I'm currently thinking if Braids is still ok, since our meta is shifting to aggro/combo what do you guys think?
I think in an agrro/midrange meta Vault is better... if control is more prevalent, Gavony for the push.
What do you guys think of Zealous Persecution?
Well that's one of the things I considering when putting 'high' costed cards and another is Teeg... but the chance is small here in Anafenza so it's still viable... what matters is if you're comfortable with it in your 99 beside being highly effective.
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