Especially because this is the kind of deck where there will be times that your opponent wants to pay the three life, maybe replace Jitte with Sword of Light and Shadow? Jitte is cute, but (and I played it in my Doran deck) a lot of the time protection from relevant removal and the boost AND the lifegain AND the recursion is just more valuable.
Jitte IS cute. Since I've faced decks faster than Athreos, it's a relevant card to use in a fast meta. I'm currently using Light and Shadow. However, it's never been successfuly online against much more quicker and aggressive decks.
Hey yooooooooooo. Update time from me: Prerelease was yesterday and I opened myself and Athreos!!! It's a sign. Anyway. JOU is up on cockatrice so now I have no excuse to not play on it anymore, haha. I'll be posting my new list soon, as I made some changes. Gonna fix my mana base so I can play Tainted Pact which is pretty easy now that Mana Confluence is a thing.
@Ikaoru As to answer a question you asked earlier in this thread, Mirri the Cursed is awesome!!!!! She's pretty much the best planeswalker killer. Everytime I see her, she's relevant. You played JTMS on turn 4? Well, here's Mirri and it's dead.
Going to post new list when I get home, since I'm on my phone.
Huh. I never see Mirri like that. I might've test her again.
I've never tested Pact before but I do watch players played it... Bit "eh" most of the time since we relied too much on creatures on the grave rather exiling stuff. For othe deck strategy, sure but I don't see it in Athreos.
Hopefully you can find a tech against Oloro. Iroas and Mogis has more fun with Oloro.
Huh. I never see Mirri like that. I might've test her again.
I've never tested Pact before but I do watch players played it... Bit "eh" most of the time since we relied too much on creatures on the grave rather exiling stuff. For other deck strategy, sure but I don't see it in Athreos.
Hopefully you can find a tech against Oloro. Iroas and Mogis has more fun with Oloro.
I want to try it, the land base isn't too hard and I would love to instant speed find an answer. Or a threat. Really anything. Its super good in decks I've seen it in so I would like to try.
It's doing ok but didn't perform well against competitive decks. Hand disruptions from turn 1 to turn 3 really helps the engine going (esp against Oloro) and I haven't draw Oversold Cemetary. Not much with testings online because of work lately. Against Iroas... I have to add more sweepers and spot removal since having unblockable and a couple of spot removal coming from Iroas is bit annoying. I remove Kataki on my changes but ended up regretting when facing MW. In addition, I have to include Limited Resources since it works well with my own Iroas (didn't self test that deck with Athreos).
Braids is doing well against land-based decks esp with someone using Life from the Loam tech... however, I need to add RitualCards to make her even more effective.
The Carrion Feeder tech that appear on Teysa is cute and effective to an extent (but that's my pov when I watch another Athreos player online.
- I don't know how I feel about running the 2 cmc 1/1's that make an opponent discard a card. I feel like that letting them choose is 'eh' when I could be playing a bigger threat that could make their life total go down faster. The 2 cmc ones that let me choose a card? That is different.
- Need to find a spot for Oversold Cemetery. That card seems good. (I love intervening ifs. :D)
- I feel like this deck shouldn't rely on creatures dying. Athreos gives us a way to punish our opponents for taking away our threats or wrathing our board. There is no need for me to kill my own creatures just so the opponent can get bolted. I want them to have to do it to themselves so they get rid of my threats.
It's not how you use Wrath. I use those because there are times when our opponents just drop and beat the crap out of us. Which I learned the hard way when I remove Wrath and Damn. It's much better than having Gravepact on the field and just wait for it to take its effect. The bolt effect is just an added bonus. And it's the sure thing that they won't get the choice or wait for a removal.
For Ravenous Rats effects, having them on turn 2 and beyond really helps the disruption. I've noticed that smart players usually hold out some key cards and we need to make sure that their options will be limited.
You might add 'lark in there, it does wonders bringing back some annoying creatures for us to use.
And derp for forgetting Sculler.
Theory wise, Limited Resources can screwup Oloro and some other decks midgame which is more than I need to pester the opponent to death.
There's also Erebos, God of the Dead, but he might not be helpful enough to you. I guess reloading on cards could be good at times. If you are going for devotion, he can become a beater too (along with your commander).
Another card that I'd like to mention is pox. I definitely love this card way too much, but I think it can work here. At BBB, it can easily deal 5-10 damage to your opponent. It messes badly with land bases and hands, and punishes players with just 1 creature out. It will also combo for more life loss (or less card loss) because of your commander.
Erebos is a card that I forgot that he has the "no life gain" shenanigans. Thanks for pointing out. I thought that I've run him in my previous version. I guess that I missed him because it's a 4cmc. I'm currently testing Pox strategy since I've watched a Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund which makes me want to add Pox cards.
@troelslmunk: Glad that you're interested in taking a run with Athreos. I would agree that since the meta is filled with counters, it's safe to add tons of discard fodders. The only problem is balancing discards and getting enough wincon to utilized Athreos effectively... some used Thalia, others used Sun Titan and sometimes both.
Give us your insight on making Athreos better.
@Lexie9894: I've used Augur of Skulls. Someone from 'trice suggested that card and it's doing great to me on early turn. Late game, it's a decent blocker and sometimes it's a really really good clamp target.
Landwise, I'm using 37. Even with that, I've also used Wayfarer, Tithe and Land Tax. There are times that I need more lands to add to my hand.
I've also added Kataki and Limited Resources against pesky MW that I've encountered... plus it limits the U's love for counters.
Despite its obvious use Sword of Light and Shadow is a decent card (and to extent having Tutor in my deck). Ophiomancer (and Bitterblossom) is also a decent card for clamp and sac fodder since I recently re-add Contamination. Too bad Orzhov doesn't have any filter or mana dorks.
@troelslmunk: Glad that you're interested in taking a run with Athreos. I would agree that since the meta is filled with counters, it's safe to add tons of discard fodders. The only problem is balancing discards and getting enough wincon to utilized Athreos effectively... some used Thalia, others used Sun Titan and sometimes both.
Give us your insight on making Athreos better.
@Lexie9894: I've used Augur of Skulls. Someone from 'trice suggested that card and it's doing great to me on early turn. Late game, it's a decent blocker and sometimes it's a really really good clamp target.
Landwise, I'm using 37. Even with that, I've also used Wayfarer, Tithe and Land Tax. There are times that I need more lands to add to my hand.
I've also added Kataki and Limited Resources against pesky MW that I've encountered... plus it limits the U's love for counters.
Despite its obvious use Sword of Light and Shadow is a decent card (and to extent having Tutor in my deck). Ophiomancer (and Bitterblossom) is also a decent card for clamp and sac fodder since I recently re-add Contamination. Too bad Orzhov doesn't have any filter or mana dorks.
Some people used Ghost dad[s] (both or one of them)... I don't used it because I haven't got a creature to abuse him whenever I land him and ended up dropping him. Some people like Orzhov boss and others are... indifferent like me.
How's Æther Vial performing? I have the same consistent negative outlook from people using that card in Athreos. They also tell me that it's too slow especially if you have inconsistent mana curve... even if you do, getting the necessary counters is bit tricky.
For discards and if you have room, you can add Castigate, Gerrard's Verdict and maaaybe Cabal Therapy. I've seen Athreos (and other BW players) have mixed reviews on Therapy. You also have to include some massive sweepers like Damnation and/or Wrath package, Toxic Deluge, Vindicate... and for something interesting to use, a sliver (which it's been in/out in my deck whenever I feel like tweaking it some more).
Reveillark is another card that could be abused with Flickerwisp... although I used it in addition to Karmic Guide since I have the tendency to blow up the field.
Overall, how it is performing with your deck?
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As for Griselbrand, I got lucky with having Spirit of the Labyrinth out. In addition, Kataki is mostly my mvp against rock decks like Grisel and MW. Those guys plus Revoker.
As for reanimator, I just made sure that I get something out of it (Weathered Wayfarer or tutoring for Bog).
As for Sliver... he can good and bad depending on your mana access. Usually it can surprise your opponent.
As for sweepers, it really works well Athreos, since you get the benefit of keeping your creatures to your hand or they get "bolted." I even used Cataclysm a couple of times... that card is bit 50/50 (like that Sliver) to me since I like having access to my creatures.
The problem with Vial is that it works with early turn... but on mid and late, it'll be "why this and not x?" Even if you welcome it, it won't be useful if you have a very long game with your opponent since you have to tap a couple of times to make it useful to some of your creatures.
I've tried it before and ended up with unsatisfactory experience, I've changed it with something else in the end.
I HATE OLORO~!!!!!!!!!!
Duel Commander
URG [Primer] Maelstrom Wanderer [Primer] URG
Duel Commander Current Projects:
RGWMarath, Will of the WildRGW
BRXMogis, God of SlaughterBRX
RWxIoras, God of VictoryRWx
WBxAthreos, God of PassageWBx
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Because of dat life gain? Mr. Sorin Markov sends his regards.
EDH
WOrzhova's PoliticsB
UStensia's SaintW
U1000 FacesB
UIzzet's GambitR
RUBThe Rose's ThornBUR
RUGEternal HuntGUR
UWBArchitect's FoundryBWU
BBlood PactB
Currently testing Oversold Cemetery, and thinking of adding Limited Resources (already have Ravages of War and Armageddon).
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URG [Primer] Maelstrom Wanderer [Primer] URG
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RGWMarath, Will of the WildRGW
BRXMogis, God of SlaughterBRX
RWxIoras, God of VictoryRWx
WBxAthreos, God of PassageWBx
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UW Approach UW
EDH
U Azami, Lady of Scrolls U
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URG [Primer] Maelstrom Wanderer [Primer] URG
Duel Commander Current Projects:
RGWMarath, Will of the WildRGW
BRXMogis, God of SlaughterBRX
RWxIoras, God of VictoryRWx
WBxAthreos, God of PassageWBx
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@Ikaoru As to answer a question you asked earlier in this thread, Mirri the Cursed is awesome!!!!! She's pretty much the best planeswalker killer. Everytime I see her, she's relevant. You played JTMS on turn 4? Well, here's Mirri and it's dead.
Going to post new list when I get home, since I'm on my phone.
(R/W)WRAnax and Cymede: RW AggroRW(R/W)
WWWThalia, Guardian of Thraben: White Weenie AggroWWW
BUGThe Mimeoplasm: Graveyard ComboGUB
(W/B)BWAthreos, God of Passage: Orzhov ShinnanigansBW(W/B)
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I've never tested Pact before but I do watch players played it... Bit "eh" most of the time since we relied too much on creatures on the grave rather exiling stuff. For othe deck strategy, sure but I don't see it in Athreos.
Hopefully you can find a tech against Oloro. Iroas and Mogis has more fun with Oloro.
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URG [Primer] Maelstrom Wanderer [Primer] URG
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RGWMarath, Will of the WildRGW
BRXMogis, God of SlaughterBRX
RWxIoras, God of VictoryRWx
WBxAthreos, God of PassageWBx
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I want to try it, the land base isn't too hard and I would love to instant speed find an answer. Or a threat. Really anything. Its super good in decks I've seen it in so I would like to try.
(R/W)WRAnax and Cymede: RW AggroRW(R/W)
WWWThalia, Guardian of Thraben: White Weenie AggroWWW
BUGThe Mimeoplasm: Graveyard ComboGUB
(W/B)BWAthreos, God of Passage: Orzhov ShinnanigansBW(W/B)
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It's not my Final Version 6 because I'm not satisfied with it.
1 Athreos, God of Passage
Creatures:30
1
1 Mother of Runes
1 Weathered Wayfarer
2
1 Augur of Skulls
1 Corrupt Court Official
1 Dark Confidant
1 Grand Abolisher
1 Knight of the White Orchid
1 Leonin Relic-Warder
1 Mesmeric Fiend
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Ravenous Rats
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
1 Fiend Hunter
1 Fleshbag Marauder
1 Geralf's Messenger
1 Liliana's Specter
1 Mentor of the Meek
1 Mirran Crusader
1 Necrotic Sliver
1 Shrieking Grotesque
1 Sin Collector
4
1 Braids, Cabal Minion
1 Hero of Bladehold
1 Ranger of Eos
5
1 Divinity of Pride
1 Karmic Guide
1 Reveillark
1 Armageddon
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Castigate
1 Cataclysm
1 Damnation
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Duress
1 Gerrard's Verdict
1 Hymn to Tourach
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Ravages of War
1 Steelshaper's Gift
1 Thoughtseize
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Vindicate
1 Wrath of God
1 Wrench Mind
Instants:4
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Path to Exile
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Tithe
Enchantments:6
1 Bitterblossom
1 Land Tax
1 Nevermore
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Oversold Cemetery
1 Phyrexian Arena
Artifacts:3
1 Skullclamp
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Sorin Markov
Lands:37
1 Arid Mesa
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Caves of Koilos
1 City of Brass
1 Command Tower
1 Fetid Heath
1 Flagstones of Trokair
1 Flooded Strand
1 Godless Shrine
1 Isolated Chapel
1 Marsh Flats
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Mutavault
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Polluted Delta
1 Scrubland
5 Snow-Covered Plains
7 Snow-Covered Swamp
1 Tainted Field
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Vault of the Archangel
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Wasteland
1 Windswept Heath
Cards that I still have to add
It's doing ok but didn't perform well against competitive decks. Hand disruptions from turn 1 to turn 3 really helps the engine going (esp against Oloro) and I haven't draw Oversold Cemetary. Not much with testings online because of work lately. Against Iroas... I have to add more sweepers and spot removal since having unblockable and a couple of spot removal coming from Iroas is bit annoying. I remove Kataki on my changes but ended up regretting when facing MW. In addition, I have to include Limited Resources since it works well with my own Iroas (didn't self test that deck with Athreos).
Braids is doing well against land-based decks esp with someone using Life from the Loam tech... however, I need to add Ritual Cards to make her even more effective.
The Carrion Feeder tech that appear on Teysa is cute and effective to an extent (but that's my pov when I watch another Athreos player online.
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URG [Primer] Maelstrom Wanderer [Primer] URG
Duel Commander Current Projects:
RGWMarath, Will of the WildRGW
BRXMogis, God of SlaughterBRX
RWxIoras, God of VictoryRWx
WBxAthreos, God of PassageWBx
Created By: DarkNightCavalier
1 Athreos, God of Passage
Creatures (31):
1 Mother of Runes
1 Weathered Wayfarer
2 Kataki, War's Wage
2 Imposing Sovereign
2 Brain Maggot
2 Pyrexian Revoker
2 Precinct Captain
2 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Knight of the White Orchid
2 Grand Abolisher
2 Mesmeric Fiend
2 Spirit of the Labyrinth
2 Dark Confidant
3 Aven Mindcensor
3 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
3 Fleshbag Marauder
3 Geralf's Messenger
3 Mentor of the Meek
3 Sin Collector
3 Hypnotic Specter
3 Glowrider
4 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
4 Restoration Angel
4 Hero of Bladehold
4 Ghost Council of Orzhova
4 Mirri the Cursed
5 Divinity of Pride
Enchantment (7):
1 Land Tax
2 Bitterblossom
3 Oblivion Ring
3 Nevermore
3 Phyrexian Arena
3 Aura of Silence
Artifact (2):
1 Skullclamp
4 Whip of Erebos
Instant (10):
1 Path to Exile
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Skeletal Scrying
2 Plunge into Darkness
2 Go for the Throat
2 Tainted Pact
3 Dismember
3 Hero's Downfall
3 Mortify
Sorcery (11):
1 Duress
1 Thoughtsieze
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Castigate
2 Demonic Tutor
2 Hymn to Tourach
2 Night's Whisper
3 Vindicate
4 Ravages of War
4 Damnation
4 Wrath of God
Planewalker (3):
3 Liliana of the Veil
4 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
6 Sorin Markov
Land (35):
1 Arid Mesa
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Cabal Pit
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Caves of Koilos
1 City of Brass
1 Command Tower
1 Dust Bowl
1 Fetid Heath
1 Flagstones of Trokair
1 Godless Shrine
1 Isolated Chapel
1 Marsh Flats
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Mutavault
1 Plains
1 Mana Confluence
1 Snow-Covered Plains
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Snow-Covered Swamp
1 Eiganjo Castle
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Polluted Delta
1 Rishadan Port
1 Scrubland
1 Swamp
1 Tectonic Edge
1 Temple of Silence
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Wasteland
1 Windswept Heath
1 Shizo, Death's Storehouse
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Urborg
Some things I would like to note:
- I would like to add Gerrard's Verdict and/or Cabal Therapy but I don't know what to cut.
- I don't know how I feel about running the 2 cmc 1/1's that make an opponent discard a card. I feel like that letting them choose is 'eh' when I could be playing a bigger threat that could make their life total go down faster. The 2 cmc ones that let me choose a card? That is different.
- Need to find a spot for Oversold Cemetery. That card seems good. (I love intervening ifs. :D)
- I feel like this deck shouldn't rely on creatures dying. Athreos gives us a way to punish our opponents for taking away our threats or wrathing our board. There is no need for me to kill my own creatures just so the opponent can get bolted. I want them to have to do it to themselves so they get rid of my threats.
(R/W)WRAnax and Cymede: RW AggroRW(R/W)
WWWThalia, Guardian of Thraben: White Weenie AggroWWW
BUGThe Mimeoplasm: Graveyard ComboGUB
(W/B)BWAthreos, God of Passage: Orzhov ShinnanigansBW(W/B)
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For Ravenous Rats effects, having them on turn 2 and beyond really helps the disruption. I've noticed that smart players usually hold out some key cards and we need to make sure that their options will be limited.
You might add 'lark in there, it does wonders bringing back some annoying creatures for us to use.
And derp for forgetting Sculler.
Theory wise, Limited Resources can screwup Oloro and some other decks midgame which is more than I need to pester the opponent to death.
Duel Commander
URG [Primer] Maelstrom Wanderer [Primer] URG
Duel Commander Current Projects:
RGWMarath, Will of the WildRGW
BRXMogis, God of SlaughterBRX
RWxIoras, God of VictoryRWx
WBxAthreos, God of PassageWBx
Created By: DarkNightCavalier
Maybe forsaken wastes? It's like a crappy sulfuric vortex but it also lava axes your opponent if they kill it.
There's also Erebos, God of the Dead, but he might not be helpful enough to you. I guess reloading on cards could be good at times. If you are going for devotion, he can become a beater too (along with your commander).
Another card that I'd like to mention is pox. I definitely love this card way too much, but I think it can work here. At BBB, it can easily deal 5-10 damage to your opponent. It messes badly with land bases and hands, and punishes players with just 1 creature out. It will also combo for more life loss (or less card loss) because of your commander.
BBB Two Hundred Zombies BBB
Duel Commander
WR Tajic, Wrath of the Manlands RW
BGW Doran Destruction WGB
Commander
GUB Mimeoplasm, Screw Politics BUG
BR Mogis, God of Slaughter RB
RGW Marath, Ramp and Removal WGR
WUBRG Karona, Jank God GRBUW
Duel Commander
URG [Primer] Maelstrom Wanderer [Primer] URG
Duel Commander Current Projects:
RGWMarath, Will of the WildRGW
BRXMogis, God of SlaughterBRX
RWxIoras, God of VictoryRWx
WBxAthreos, God of PassageWBx
Created By: DarkNightCavalier
Here's my current version that I'm retweaking few days ago and going to test it once I get my day off.
1 Athreos, God of Passage
1 Path to Exile
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Hymn to Tourach
1 Weathered Wayfarer
1 Mother of Runes
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Skullclamp
1 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
1 Land Tax
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Thoughtseize
1 Fleshbag Marauder
1 Bitterblossom
1 Dark Confidant
1 Castigate
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Sin Collector
1 Reveillark
1 Vindicate
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Flooded Strand
1 Windswept Heath
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Polluted Delta
1 Marsh Flats
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Arid Mesa
1 Caves of Koilos
1 Isolated Chapel
1 Fetid Heath
1 Godless Shrine
1 Tainted Field
1 Scrubland
1 City of Brass
1 Command Tower
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Flagstones of Trokair
1 Wasteland
1 Volrath's Stronghold
7 Snow-Covered Swamp
5 Snow-Covered Plains
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Necrotic Sliver
1 Braids, Cabal Minion
1 Karmic Guide
1 Knight of the White Orchid
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Nevermore
1 Vault of the Archangel
1 Shrieking Grotesque
1 Mutavault
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Geralf's Messenger
1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Hero of Bladehold
1 Mirran Crusader
1 Grand Abolisher
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Tithe
1 Divinity of Pride
1 Mesmeric Fiend
1 Corrupt Court Official
1 Wrench Mind
1 Duress
1 Gerrard's Verdict
1 Liliana's Specter
1 Ravenous Rats
1 Damnation
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Sorin Markov
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Wrath of God
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Augur of Skulls
1 Tidehollow Sculler
1 Mirri the Cursed
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Mortify
1 Tainted Pact
1 Erebos, God of the Dead
1 Bloodghast
1 Nether Traitor
1 Steelshaper's Gift
Sorry for the unsightly list. Going to fix that later today.
Duel Commander
URG [Primer] Maelstrom Wanderer [Primer] URG
Duel Commander Current Projects:
RGWMarath, Will of the WildRGW
BRXMogis, God of SlaughterBRX
RWxIoras, God of VictoryRWx
WBxAthreos, God of PassageWBx
Created By: DarkNightCavalier
BBB Two Hundred Zombies BBB
Duel Commander
WR Tajic, Wrath of the Manlands RW
BGW Doran Destruction WGB
Commander
GUB Mimeoplasm, Screw Politics BUG
BR Mogis, God of Slaughter RB
RGW Marath, Ramp and Removal WGR
WUBRG Karona, Jank God GRBUW
Duel Commander
URG [Primer] Maelstrom Wanderer [Primer] URG
Duel Commander Current Projects:
RGWMarath, Will of the WildRGW
BRXMogis, God of SlaughterBRX
RWxIoras, God of VictoryRWx
WBxAthreos, God of PassageWBx
Created By: DarkNightCavalier
Here's my current list.
1 Athreos, God of Passage
Cards:99
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Hymn to Tourach
1 Weathered Wayfarer
1 Mother of Runes
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Skullclamp
1 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
1 Land Tax
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Thoughtseize
1 Fleshbag Marauder
1 Bitterblossom
1 Dark Confidant
1 Castigate
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Sin Collector
1 Reveillark
1 Vindicate
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Flooded Strand
1 Windswept Heath
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Polluted Delta
1 Marsh Flats
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Arid Mesa
1 Caves of Koilos
1 Isolated Chapel
1 Fetid Heath
1 Godless Shrine
1 Tainted Field
1 Scrubland
1 City of Brass
1 Command Tower
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Flagstones of Trokair
1 Wasteland
1 Volrath's Stronghold
6 Snow-Covered Swamp
4 Snow-Covered Plains
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Braids, Cabal Minion
1 Karmic Guide
1 Knight of the White Orchid
1 Nevermore
1 Vault of the Archangel
1 Shrieking Grotesque
1 Mutavault
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Hero of Bladehold
1 Grand Abolisher
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Tithe
1 Divinity of Pride
1 Mesmeric Fiend
1 Corrupt Court Official
1 Duress
1 Gerrard's Verdict
1 Liliana's Specter
1 Ravenous Rats
1 Damnation
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Sorin Markov
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Wrath of God
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Augur of Skulls
1 Tidehollow Sculler
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Mortify
1 Erebos, God of the Dead
1 Steelshaper's Gift
1 Ophiomancer
1 Skirsdag High Priest
1 Shriekmaw
1 Dark Tutelage
1 Orzhov Charm
1 Temple of Silence
1 Go for the Throat
1 Mana Confluence
1 Viscera Seer
1 Fiend Hunter
1 Contamination
1 Spirit of the Labyrinth
1 Ranger of Eos
1 Armageddon
Duel Commander
URG [Primer] Maelstrom Wanderer [Primer] URG
Duel Commander Current Projects:
RGWMarath, Will of the WildRGW
BRXMogis, God of SlaughterBRX
RWxIoras, God of VictoryRWx
WBxAthreos, God of PassageWBx
Created By: DarkNightCavalier
Hi there, and I hope you enjoy Athreos, God of Passage as much as I do! I love this deck, even if I'm not a good player. ;P
Anyway. Just a few things I want to mention: I don't run Ravenous Rats, Corrupt Court Official, Black Cat, Chittering Rats, Augur of Skulls or Nezumi Shortfang as I usually want my creatures who discard also be a threat and/or utility. For example, I also run Liliana's Specter and Shrieking Grotesque because after they hit the battlefield they also are a threat on the board and have evasion.
That's just my opinion - how you wanna build your deck is your decision. I hope this helps!
Speaking of - I really should update my decklist. I think I might do that and post it here soon.
(R/W)WRAnax and Cymede: RW AggroRW(R/W)
WWWThalia, Guardian of Thraben: White Weenie AggroWWW
BUGThe Mimeoplasm: Graveyard ComboGUB
(W/B)BWAthreos, God of Passage: Orzhov ShinnanigansBW(W/B)
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3 Athreos, God of Passage
Creatures (31):
1 Mother of Runes
1 Weathered Wayfarer
2 Grand Abolisher
2 Brain Maggot
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Dark Confidant
2 Knight of the White Orchid
2 Mesmeric Fiend
2 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Spirit of the Labyrinth
2 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Kataki, War’s Wage
3 Mirran Crusader
3 Geralf’s Messenger
3 Sin Collector
3 Liliana’s Specter
3 Fleshbag Marauder
3 Hypnotic Specter
3 Shrieking Grotesque
3 Aven Mindcensor
3 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
3 Mentor of the Meek
4 Hero of Bladehold
4 Erebos, God of the Dead
4 Ghost Council of Orzhova
4 Mirri the Cursed
4 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
4 Restoration Angel
5 Divinity of Pride
5 Blood Baron of Vizkopa
Sorcery (15):
1 Thoughtseize
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Duress
2 Wrench Mind
2 Distress
2 Castigate
2 Night’s Whisper
2 Hymn to Tourach
2 Demonic Tutor
2 Gerrard’s Verdict
3 Vindicate
4 Unmask
1 Thoughtseize
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Duress
2 Wrench Mind
2 Distress
2 Castigate
2 Night’s Whisper
2 Hymn to Tourach
2 Demonic Tutor
2 Gerrard’s Verdict
3 Vindicate
4 Unmask
4 Ravages of War
4 Wrath of God
4 Damnation
Instant (11):
1 Skeletal Scrying
1 Path to Exile
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Swords to Plowshares
2 Go for the Throat
2 Tainted Pact
2 Plunge into Darkness
2 Disenchant
3 Hero’s Downfall
3 Mortify
3 Dismember
Enchantment (4):
2 Bitterblossom
3 Phyrexian Arena
3 Nevermore
3 Oblivion Ring
Planeswalker (2):
3 Liliana of the Veil
4 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Artifact (1):
1 Skullclamp
Lands (35):
1 Fetid Heath
1 Godless Shrine
1 Eiganjo Castle
1 Dust Bowl
1 Snow Covered Swamp
1 Plains
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Isolated Chapel
1 Vault of Whispers
1 Mutavault
1 City of Brass
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Snow Covered Plains
1 Caves of Kolios
1 Cabal Pit
1 Rishadan Port
1 Temple of Silence
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Flagstone of Trokair
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Wasteland
1 Tectonic Edge
1 Flooded Strand
1 Tainted Field
1 Mishra’s Factory
1 Command Tower
1 Shizo, Death’s Storehouse
1 Mana Confluence
1 Swamp
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Urborg
1 Windswept Heath
1 Marsh Flats
I might think about adding Augur of Skulls. It's kinda like Wrench Mind, but a dude.
(R/W)WRAnax and Cymede: RW AggroRW(R/W)
WWWThalia, Guardian of Thraben: White Weenie AggroWWW
BUGThe Mimeoplasm: Graveyard ComboGUB
(W/B)BWAthreos, God of Passage: Orzhov ShinnanigansBW(W/B)
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Give us your insight on making Athreos better.
@Lexie9894: I've used Augur of Skulls. Someone from 'trice suggested that card and it's doing great to me on early turn. Late game, it's a decent blocker and sometimes it's a really really good clamp target.
Landwise, I'm using 37. Even with that, I've also used Wayfarer, Tithe and Land Tax. There are times that I need more lands to add to my hand.
As for Blood Baron of Vizkopa... not really that great in my experience. I would used Karmic Guide and Reveillark package. At least it makes it a really big target.
I've also added Kataki and Limited Resources against pesky MW that I've encountered... plus it limits the U's love for counters.
Despite its obvious use Sword of Light and Shadow is a decent card (and to extent having Tutor in my deck). Ophiomancer (and Bitterblossom) is also a decent card for clamp and sac fodder since I recently re-add Contamination. Too bad Orzhov doesn't have any filter or mana dorks.
Duel Commander
URG [Primer] Maelstrom Wanderer [Primer] URG
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RGWMarath, Will of the WildRGW
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WBxAthreos, God of PassageWBx
Created By: DarkNightCavalier
I have actually yet to land Blood Baron of Vizkopa, and I'm also thinking about Obzedat, Ghost Council maybe instead. Who knows, still testing and having fun.
(R/W)WRAnax and Cymede: RW AggroRW(R/W)
WWWThalia, Guardian of Thraben: White Weenie AggroWWW
BUGThe Mimeoplasm: Graveyard ComboGUB
(W/B)BWAthreos, God of Passage: Orzhov ShinnanigansBW(W/B)
a card border extended by me, commissions are open.
Duel Commander
URG [Primer] Maelstrom Wanderer [Primer] URG
Duel Commander Current Projects:
RGWMarath, Will of the WildRGW
BRXMogis, God of SlaughterBRX
RWxIoras, God of VictoryRWx
WBxAthreos, God of PassageWBx
Created By: DarkNightCavalier
What about Kalastria Highborn? You only have 3-ish Vamps in your deck.
For discards and if you have room, you can add Castigate, Gerrard's Verdict and maaaybe Cabal Therapy. I've seen Athreos (and other BW players) have mixed reviews on Therapy. You also have to include some massive sweepers like Damnation and/or Wrath package, Toxic Deluge, Vindicate... and for something interesting to use, a sliver (which it's been in/out in my deck whenever I feel like tweaking it some more).
Reveillark is another card that could be abused with Flickerwisp... although I used it in addition to Karmic Guide since I have the tendency to blow up the field.
Overall, how it is performing with your deck?
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As for Griselbrand, I got lucky with having Spirit of the Labyrinth out. In addition, Kataki is mostly my mvp against rock decks like Grisel and MW. Those guys plus Revoker.
As for reanimator, I just made sure that I get something out of it (Weathered Wayfarer or tutoring for Bog).
Duel Commander
URG [Primer] Maelstrom Wanderer [Primer] URG
Duel Commander Current Projects:
RGWMarath, Will of the WildRGW
BRXMogis, God of SlaughterBRX
RWxIoras, God of VictoryRWx
WBxAthreos, God of PassageWBx
Created By: DarkNightCavalier
For Vial, it's mostly bleh since it's really useful if you have a consistent mana curve
One Teysa player just use 1 cmc combo with Teysa... such as Carrion Feeder, and Gravecrawler... both can be grabbed with Ranger of Eos. That player has Rotlung Reanimator and Xathrid Necromancer in addition to sac powers like Phyrexian Ghoul. That combo is bit useless if you're using it with Athreos and not Teysa.
As for Sliver... he can good and bad depending on your mana access. Usually it can surprise your opponent.
As for sweepers, it really works well Athreos, since you get the benefit of keeping your creatures to your hand or they get "bolted." I even used Cataclysm a couple of times... that card is bit 50/50 (like that Sliver) to me since I like having access to my creatures.
Duel Commander
URG [Primer] Maelstrom Wanderer [Primer] URG
Duel Commander Current Projects:
RGWMarath, Will of the WildRGW
BRXMogis, God of SlaughterBRX
RWxIoras, God of VictoryRWx
WBxAthreos, God of PassageWBx
Created By: DarkNightCavalier
I've tried it before and ended up with unsatisfactory experience, I've changed it with something else in the end.
Duel Commander
URG [Primer] Maelstrom Wanderer [Primer] URG
Duel Commander Current Projects:
RGWMarath, Will of the WildRGW
BRXMogis, God of SlaughterBRX
RWxIoras, God of VictoryRWx
WBxAthreos, God of PassageWBx
Created By: DarkNightCavalier