Everyone's answers are very very helpful. As someone who wants to build this deck with small multiplayer games in mind as well as versus, is the targeted discard something I want to look past? If so, what should I replace it with.
by the way heathen, I like your list, but 39 lands seems a little high for an EDH deck with a curve of 4 with several cantrips.
I would say yes for 4 person games making one person discard a card in a 4 person game is not that good and will make you an enemy turn1. In 1v1 on the other hand discard is amazing not only do you get to take their best card you get knowlege of their hand and will be able to tell if its safe to combo of or not. Discard can also win you the game if an opponent keeps a risky hand like 1 land and and mana dork or something like that. I could go on and on about how many games ive won by turn 1 thoughseizing an opponents answers to my deck or cards that i did not have an answer to
I played this deck at a tournament not too long ago (It was 4 players / US ban list) and I lost in the final because of a Krosan Grip on my Sensei's Divining Top (I had a Force Of Will ready in hand). I play a different combo, I use Laboratory Maniac + Demonic Consultation and I find it pretty good. I can use Mystical Teaching to search for the Demonic Consultation and If It's already there, I can find a Pact Of Negation, Force Of Will etc...
Volrath's Stronghold was Cavern Of Souls when I played the tournament to name Wizards and make sure that my guy enter the battlefield. Hermit Druid is also something I'm considering by removing the 3 basic lands.
Good point, The Mimeoplasm ;). I prefer him instead of Damia because you can steal stuff from others and get your Maniac back if you lose him for whatever reason.
I finally have a first draft for a deck, I'm having a lot more trouble setting up piles than I thought I would. Sometimes the answer is obvious, but what do I do if I already cycled cards like G Probe and Street Wraith earlier in the game? What if I already have Lab Maniac or Predict/Unearth in my hand?
How do you know how to make a good pile, and what are some more good specific Doomsday scenarios.
I finally have a first draft for a deck, I'm having a lot more trouble setting up piles than I thought I would. Sometimes the answer is obvious, but what do I do if I already cycled cards like G Probe and Street Wraith earlier in the game?
No problem. Doomsday says "search your library AND GRAVEYARD."
What if I already have Lab Maniac or Predict/Unearth in my hand?
One solution is Brainstorm. If you have Lab Maniac in hand you can still build a Predict pile by first Brainstorming to put the Lab Maniac on top of your library (you can put Brainstorm in your Doomsday pile). I think I may have posted a report with this kind of pile earlier in the thread. You could also use Mental Note instead of Predict with a Brainstorm pile if you want to get rid of some garbage in your hand. That way you upgrade your hand with good cards from the Doomsday pile and then you can get Lab Maniac and a useless card in your graveyard with Mental Note. It all depends on the situation, and you'll just have to get creative. Goldfishing is very helpful practice, too.
Spelling out all the possible piles is too huge a task. It would be better if you provided some specific scenarios (what you have in hand, how much mana you have, etc).
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Griselbrand is pretty straightforward (in the same way that a nuclear holocaust is straightforward); just draw some cards, beat some face, bathe in the blood of some innocent, and repeat.
My stock turn four kill pile is cruel bargin(top)-gitaxian probe-blue/black land-dark ritual-lab maniac. This list changes forwhat I need i basicly need 4black and 1 blue to go off with this pile but i feel like in a lot of games drawing cruel bargin is good without the doomsday since you get the life back anyway. This way also uses all cards that are good bythemselves outside of the combo apart from maniac. Isometimes will throw in an island or swamp for the last source of mana and still have a draw spell that turn, its good if i know my opponent dont have an answer for me or are tapped out.
I played this deck at a tournament not too long ago (It was 4 players / US ban list) and I lost in the final because of a Krosan Grip on my Sensei's Divining Top (I had a Force Of Will ready in hand). I play a different combo, I use Laboratory Maniac + Demonic Consultation and I find it pretty good. I can use Mystical Teaching to search for the Demonic Consultation and If It's already there, I can find a Pact Of Negation, Force Of Will etc...
Volrath's Stronghold was Cavern Of Souls when I played the tournament to name Wizards and make sure that my guy enter the battlefield. Hermit Druid is also something I'm considering by removing the 3 basic lands.
I'm going to run BUG also for Doomsday and working on the list now. I'll post my list later but have you considered Crop Rotation? I use it to get straight to Urborg or to help mana fix.
I've never built a Doomsday pile that included Dispel. I'd only do that if I thought I needed to counter an instant, but in that case I'd just use Abeyance/Silence or Pact of Negation (because it's not as conditional as Dispel). Ideas Unbound is not a card I run in my list, but I did run it when playing DDFT in Legacy. It's just a way to get a bunch of cards in your hand. If Ideas is the top card of your Doomsday pile, once it resolves you will only have one card left in your library. Obviously that can help achieve the goal of drawing a card with no cards in your library. I don't think it's necessary in Oloro though. Gush is amazing because it's a "free" card draw at instant speed. See Beyond is a card I like a lot in my list though I've never built it into a Doomsday pile. It's good in the same way Brainstorm+shuffle effect is good: you get to improve the cards in your hand by getting rid of some you don't need. Dark Ritual is essential because having BBB for Doomsday can be onerous at times, and it lets you cast Doomsday off of just one black source. When looking at card choices for the deck, think about what role they would play before and after you combo. A card like Predict is pretty bad before you combo (though I have at least once used it pre-combo with Jace), but incredibly good after you combo.
Is there ever a pile where you wouldn't want to Predict? If so, why?
Sure, let's say the opponent has a Rest in Peace and Leyline of the Void in play, and you can't get rid of both. That precludes using Unearth on Lab Maniac. So, Predict is probably not part of the Doomsday pile you build. The thing about Doomsday is that there are limitless variations on your Doomsday piles. It all depends on the situation. I highly recommend reading what Steve Menendian has written about Legacy Lab Maniac Doomsday to get a handle on the general concept behind the combo. I believe all his articles are on eternalcentral.com
Also, what are some cards you tutor for aside from Doomsday? How frequently do you tutor for something else aside from Doomsday.
Depends on the situation. I've used the transmute cards to get Phyrexian Arena for grindy games, Toxic Deluge for removal, etc. I've tutored for Tainted Pact when I have Lab Maniac in hand and am going to combo that way. It all depends.
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EDH: Go Crazy or Go back to Standard.
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Griselbrand is pretty straightforward (in the same way that a nuclear holocaust is straightforward); just draw some cards, beat some face, bathe in the blood of some innocent, and repeat.
Hipster mike...I don't kill with Doomsday so I have no use for Crop Rotation into Urborg. I considered Hermit Druid and removing the 3 basic lands so I can mill myself with The Druid, Tainted Pact or Demonic Consultation.
I must say that I forgot about Sylvan Library/Mirri's, I should add them.
Hipster mike...I don't kill with Doomsday so I have no use for Crop Rotation into Urborg. I considered Hermit Druid and removing the 3 basic lands so I can mill myself with The Druid, Tainted Pact or Demonic Consultation.
I must say that I forgot about Sylvan Library/Mirri's, I should add them.
Yeah I was looking over using tainted pact but my mana base isn't where I could reliably do that.
I would like to see some more Doomsday piles that don't involve the graveyard, but still have some sort of protection. Also, what are some piles that are graveyard based that don't involve Predict? I'm just curious to see more piles that are a little more unorthodox.
I would like to see some more Doomsday piles that don't involve the graveyard, but still have some sort of protection. Also, what are some piles that are graveyard based that don't involve Predict? I'm just curious to see more piles that are a little more unorthodox.
A better approach would be to construct specific scenarios and figure out the best way to solve them (best meaning the pile that uses the least resources while providing the safest route to victory). Here, I'll start (assuming my list, posted on the previous page):
You are at 29 life and you just drew your card for your turn. Your hand is now Doomsday, Remand, Flusterstorm, and two blanks. Your board is Hallowed Fountain, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Swamp, Island, Isolated Chapel. For purposes of this problem, you must cast Doomsday this turn and you cannot use the graveyard (assume your opponent cannot kill you on his next turn after you go to 14 life by casting Doomsday, and also assume you don't need to worry about counterspells from the opponent but there is the possibility of instant-speed creature removal). What pile do you build?
...this is EDH. If you aren't trying to kill someone in the most ridiculous manner possible, you're doing it wrong.
EDH: Go Crazy or Go back to Standard.
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Griselbrand is pretty straightforward (in the same way that a nuclear holocaust is straightforward); just draw some cards, beat some face, bathe in the blood of some innocent, and repeat.
The scenarios seem good, but there are way too many acronyms and there is no key. Seriously? How lazy is that.
You can't even be bothered to do a little reading and thinking of your own about this deck, yet you're criticizing the hard work of people who put together pages and pages of Doomsday piles? Seriously? Besides, I only posted that link to illustrate the fact that Doomsday piles are highly dependent on the situation and thus trying to just list all the possibilities is a huge effort. That link is for an entirely different deck in an entirely different format.
Whats the answer to your question, I don't know your list well enough to be confident in an answer.
Go back one page and you'll see my list. If you can't even be bothered to think about how to solve this problem then Doomsday is probably not for you. If you're worried about coming up with the wrong pile, who cares? That's how you learn. I've lost games solely because I built the wrong pile for the situation. You just learn from it and move on to the next game.
So far it seems like you just want to be told what Doomsday piles to build. Sorry, but it's not that easy. Doomsday is all about thinking on your feet and problem-solving in the moment (though obviously there are some piles that will be used repeatedly, and those "default" piles have been explained in this thread). I'm happy to help because I love Doomsday, but you gotta' put in a little thought of your own too.
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...this is EDH. If you aren't trying to kill someone in the most ridiculous manner possible, you're doing it wrong.
EDH: Go Crazy or Go back to Standard.
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Griselbrand is pretty straightforward (in the same way that a nuclear holocaust is straightforward); just draw some cards, beat some face, bathe in the blood of some innocent, and repeat.
The scenarios seem good, but there are way too many acronyms and there is no key. Seriously? How lazy is that.
You can't even be bothered to do a little reading and thinking of your own about this deck, yet you're criticizing the hard work of people who put together pages and pages of Doomsday piles? Seriously? Besides, I only posted that link to illustrate the fact that Doomsday piles are highly dependent on the situation and thus trying to just list all the possibilities is a huge effort. That link is for an entirely different deck in an entirely different format.
Whats the answer to your question, I don't know your list well enough to be confident in an answer.
Go back one page and you'll see my list. If you can't even be bothered to think about how to solve this problem then Doomsday is probably not for you. If you're worried about coming up with the wrong pile, who cares? That's how you learn. I've lost games solely because I built the wrong pile for the situation. You just learn from it and move on to the next game.
So far it seems like you just want to be told what Doomsday piles to build. Sorry, but it's not that easy. Doomsday is all about thinking on your feet and problem-solving in the moment (though obviously there are some piles that will be used repeatedly, and those "default" piles have been explained in this thread). I'm happy to help because I love Doomsday, but you gotta' put in a little thought of your own too.
What are your thoughts on Doomsday vs Hermit/Creatureless Oath?
What are your thoughts on Doomsday vs Hermit/Creatureless Oath?
I haven't played any of the Hermit Druid/Oath decks. I assume you're talking about this in the context of multiplayer, since Hermit Druid and Oath are banned in Duel. I'm definitely curious about Hermit Druid and Oath, and I may test them out in a multiplayer BUG deck. I'd probably want to throw Doomsday in with them as well, though, if that would be feasible.
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...this is EDH. If you aren't trying to kill someone in the most ridiculous manner possible, you're doing it wrong.
EDH: Go Crazy or Go back to Standard.
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Griselbrand is pretty straightforward (in the same way that a nuclear holocaust is straightforward); just draw some cards, beat some face, bathe in the blood of some innocent, and repeat.
I apologize if I seem hostile or rude. I'll take your advice and continue to do research. However, there's very little I can gain from an FAQ/tutorial that's essentially entirely written in jargon. I'll continue tweaking a list I'm working on and goldfishing with it. If I like how it goes, I'll share my list here. It certainly isn't as easy as I thought to make the Doomsday piles, but that makes it fun. It certainly is much more difficult than Gifts Ungiven (another deck I enjoy playing) but that's what makes it more fun I guess.
To answer heathens problem i have two piles that come to mind quickly but considering how few restaints there are there is a lot of piles you could make.
pile 1 (in order)
Cruel bargrin
Gush
gitaxian probe
lab maniac
pact of negation
(forces opponent to have 4 answers)
Pile two(in order)
gush
helm of obidence
rest in peace
lab maniac
brainstorm
(teo different win cons opponent must have answers to both or be able to kill you in a turn(assuming u cast remand on opponents turn)
Heres my scineriou you haveur pile a u/b filter land a swamp and a non island blue source you cast doomsday you have 1 turn to win how does your pile look?
I'm lowering the number of basic lands to 1 off's and a 1 off of each snow covered version then substituting the rest of artifact lands and the dual gates. Then I can use Tainted the right way.
Heres my scineriou you haveur pile a u/b filter land a swamp and a non island blue source you cast doomsday you have 1 turn to win how does your pile look?
I'm going to have to make some assumptions here. First, I'm assuming you have no draw effects in hand. Second, I'm assuming you are making a pass the turn pile (so, the plan is to win the turn after casting Doomsday). Here's an idea (using my list, because it's the one I'm familiar with):
Top
Predict
Lab Maniac
Unearth
Gitaxian Probe
Street Wraith
Bottom
Total cost is 1UB and 4 life. Obviously this offers no protection, unless you have some in hand. I'm going to think more about how to build a pile here with protection, though that may mean using different cards than are currently in my list.
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Griselbrand is pretty straightforward (in the same way that a nuclear holocaust is straightforward); just draw some cards, beat some face, bathe in the blood of some innocent, and repeat.
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by the way heathen, I like your list, but 39 lands seems a little high for an EDH deck with a curve of 4 with several cantrips.
UBRKess, Dissident MageUBR - Controlling Dissidents
GRhonas the IndomitableG - Indomitable Four Drops
WUBOloro, Ageless AsceticWUB - Loot & Renanimate
Legacy: UBRG Czech Pile, WWW Death & Taxes, many other things
Modern: UBR Grixis, RWG Burn, UR UR Storm, BBB 8 Rack, whatever other control deck I can force
Multiplayer EDH: RR Norin the Wary, UU Barrin, Master Wizard, UB Wrexial, the Risen Deep, GR Borborygmos, Enraged
Volrath's Stronghold was Cavern Of Souls when I played the tournament to name Wizards and make sure that my guy enter the battlefield. Hermit Druid is also something I'm considering by removing the 3 basic lands.
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Breeding Pool
1 City of Brass
1 Command Tower
1 Drowned Catacomb
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Flooded Grove
1 Flooded Strand
1 Forest
1 Hinterland Harbor
1 Island
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Marsh Flats
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Polluted Delta
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Seat of the Synod
1 Sunken Ruins
1 Swamp
1 Temple of Deceit
1 Temple of Mystery
1 Tree of Tales
1 Tropical Island
1 Underground River
1 Underground Sea
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Vault of Whispers
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Watery Grave
1 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Woodland Cemetery
1 Yavimaya Coast
1 Drift of Phantasms
1 Eternal Witness
1 Fauna Shaman
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Street Wraith
1 Trinket Mage
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Mana Crypt
1 Meekstone
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Survival of the Fittest
1 Telepathy
1 Beast Within
1 Brainstorm
1 Counterspell
1 Cyclonic Rift
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Dispel
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Force of Will
1 Gush
1 Hero's Downfall
1 Impulse
1 Krosan Grip
1 Lim-Dûl's Vault
1 Mana Leak
1 Miscalculation
1 Misdirection
1 Mystical Teachings
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Negate
1 Pact of Negation
1 Peek
1 Perplex
1 Remand
1 Skeletal Scrying
1 Swan Song
1 Tainted Pact
1 Thought Scour
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Worldly Tutor
1 Damnation
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Duress
1 Gitaxian Probe
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Night's Whisper
1 Ponder
1 Preordain
1 Read the Bones
1 Thoughtseize
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Unearth
1 The Mimeoplasm
Good point, The Mimeoplasm ;). I prefer him instead of Damia because you can steal stuff from others and get your Maniac back if you lose him for whatever reason.
How do you know how to make a good pile, and what are some more good specific Doomsday scenarios.
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No problem. Doomsday says "search your library AND GRAVEYARD."
One solution is Brainstorm. If you have Lab Maniac in hand you can still build a Predict pile by first Brainstorming to put the Lab Maniac on top of your library (you can put Brainstorm in your Doomsday pile). I think I may have posted a report with this kind of pile earlier in the thread. You could also use Mental Note instead of Predict with a Brainstorm pile if you want to get rid of some garbage in your hand. That way you upgrade your hand with good cards from the Doomsday pile and then you can get Lab Maniac and a useless card in your graveyard with Mental Note. It all depends on the situation, and you'll just have to get creative. Goldfishing is very helpful practice, too.
Spelling out all the possible piles is too huge a task. It would be better if you provided some specific scenarios (what you have in hand, how much mana you have, etc).
I guess I'm looking to hear scenarios and/or piles with the following cards that I'm seeing on a lot of lists: Dispel, Ideas Unbound, Gush, See Beyond, Dark Ritual, Frantic Search, etc. Is there ever a pile where you wouldn't want to Predict? If so, why?
Also, what are some cards you tutor for aside from Doomsday? How frequently do you tutor for something else aside from Doomsday.
By the way, from goldfishing, Quicken is the real deal, end of turn Doomsday is basically absurd.
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GRhonas the IndomitableG - Indomitable Four Drops
WUBOloro, Ageless AsceticWUB - Loot & Renanimate
I'm going to run BUG also for Doomsday and working on the list now. I'll post my list later but have you considered Crop Rotation? I use it to get straight to Urborg or to help mana fix.
I'm also considering a maindeck Torpor Orb and possibly Defense Grid.
One more thing, to help get to cards this will be top needed:
I've never built a Doomsday pile that included Dispel. I'd only do that if I thought I needed to counter an instant, but in that case I'd just use Abeyance/Silence or Pact of Negation (because it's not as conditional as Dispel). Ideas Unbound is not a card I run in my list, but I did run it when playing DDFT in Legacy. It's just a way to get a bunch of cards in your hand. If Ideas is the top card of your Doomsday pile, once it resolves you will only have one card left in your library. Obviously that can help achieve the goal of drawing a card with no cards in your library. I don't think it's necessary in Oloro though. Gush is amazing because it's a "free" card draw at instant speed. See Beyond is a card I like a lot in my list though I've never built it into a Doomsday pile. It's good in the same way Brainstorm+shuffle effect is good: you get to improve the cards in your hand by getting rid of some you don't need. Dark Ritual is essential because having BBB for Doomsday can be onerous at times, and it lets you cast Doomsday off of just one black source. When looking at card choices for the deck, think about what role they would play before and after you combo. A card like Predict is pretty bad before you combo (though I have at least once used it pre-combo with Jace), but incredibly good after you combo.
Sure, let's say the opponent has a Rest in Peace and Leyline of the Void in play, and you can't get rid of both. That precludes using Unearth on Lab Maniac. So, Predict is probably not part of the Doomsday pile you build. The thing about Doomsday is that there are limitless variations on your Doomsday piles. It all depends on the situation. I highly recommend reading what Steve Menendian has written about Legacy Lab Maniac Doomsday to get a handle on the general concept behind the combo. I believe all his articles are on eternalcentral.com
Depends on the situation. I've used the transmute cards to get Phyrexian Arena for grindy games, Toxic Deluge for removal, etc. I've tutored for Tainted Pact when I have Lab Maniac in hand and am going to combo that way. It all depends.
I must say that I forgot about Sylvan Library/Mirri's, I should add them.
Yeah I was looking over using tainted pact but my mana base isn't where I could reliably do that.
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GRhonas the IndomitableG - Indomitable Four Drops
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It's difficult to just list a bunch of Doomsday piles in the abstract. Just to give you an idea of what that would entail, check out this document that provides a bunch of piles for Legacy Doomsday: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1onAp8XmBLHTUP71xw1w_z0_LAiTo5EWJR4YQmAMgTkY/edit?hl=es
A better approach would be to construct specific scenarios and figure out the best way to solve them (best meaning the pile that uses the least resources while providing the safest route to victory). Here, I'll start (assuming my list, posted on the previous page):
You are at 29 life and you just drew your card for your turn. Your hand is now Doomsday, Remand, Flusterstorm, and two blanks. Your board is Hallowed Fountain, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Swamp, Island, Isolated Chapel. For purposes of this problem, you must cast Doomsday this turn and you cannot use the graveyard (assume your opponent cannot kill you on his next turn after you go to 14 life by casting Doomsday, and also assume you don't need to worry about counterspells from the opponent but there is the possibility of instant-speed creature removal). What pile do you build?
Whats the answer to your question, I don't know your list well enough to be confident in an answer.
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GRhonas the IndomitableG - Indomitable Four Drops
WUBOloro, Ageless AsceticWUB - Loot & Renanimate
You can't even be bothered to do a little reading and thinking of your own about this deck, yet you're criticizing the hard work of people who put together pages and pages of Doomsday piles? Seriously? Besides, I only posted that link to illustrate the fact that Doomsday piles are highly dependent on the situation and thus trying to just list all the possibilities is a huge effort. That link is for an entirely different deck in an entirely different format.
Go back one page and you'll see my list. If you can't even be bothered to think about how to solve this problem then Doomsday is probably not for you. If you're worried about coming up with the wrong pile, who cares? That's how you learn. I've lost games solely because I built the wrong pile for the situation. You just learn from it and move on to the next game.
So far it seems like you just want to be told what Doomsday piles to build. Sorry, but it's not that easy. Doomsday is all about thinking on your feet and problem-solving in the moment (though obviously there are some piles that will be used repeatedly, and those "default" piles have been explained in this thread). I'm happy to help because I love Doomsday, but you gotta' put in a little thought of your own too.
What are your thoughts on Doomsday vs Hermit/Creatureless Oath?
I haven't played any of the Hermit Druid/Oath decks. I assume you're talking about this in the context of multiplayer, since Hermit Druid and Oath are banned in Duel. I'm definitely curious about Hermit Druid and Oath, and I may test them out in a multiplayer BUG deck. I'd probably want to throw Doomsday in with them as well, though, if that would be feasible.
UBRKess, Dissident MageUBR - Controlling Dissidents
GRhonas the IndomitableG - Indomitable Four Drops
WUBOloro, Ageless AsceticWUB - Loot & Renanimate
pile 1 (in order)
Cruel bargrin
Gush
gitaxian probe
lab maniac
pact of negation
(forces opponent to have 4 answers)
Pile two(in order)
gush
helm of obidence
rest in peace
lab maniac
brainstorm
(teo different win cons opponent must have answers to both or be able to kill you in a turn(assuming u cast remand on opponents turn)
Heres my scineriou you haveur pile a u/b filter land a swamp and a non island blue source you cast doomsday you have 1 turn to win how does your pile look?
I think Demonic Consultation and Tainted Pact are awesome ways to win if you can't Doomsday
I'm lowering the number of basic lands to 1 off's and a 1 off of each snow covered version then substituting the rest of artifact lands and the dual gates. Then I can use Tainted the right way.
I'm going to have to make some assumptions here. First, I'm assuming you have no draw effects in hand. Second, I'm assuming you are making a pass the turn pile (so, the plan is to win the turn after casting Doomsday). Here's an idea (using my list, because it's the one I'm familiar with):
Top
Predict
Lab Maniac
Unearth
Gitaxian Probe
Street Wraith
Bottom
Total cost is 1UB and 4 life. Obviously this offers no protection, unless you have some in hand. I'm going to think more about how to build a pile here with protection, though that may mean using different cards than are currently in my list.