I recommend checking out the stickied "EDH Resources and Useful Threads" thread on the EDH Discussion main forum if you haven't already. Particularly check out the official EDH website. Three of your cards (Savage Lands, Arcane Sanctum and Jungle Shrine) can't legally be played in a Doran deck because they contain mana symbols that are not in his casting cost.
Bravo to you for picking my favorite 1 vs 1 EDH general.
I notice you've picked up many of the creatures Survival of the Fittest likes but you don't have one. I'd recommend getting it and a Karmic Guide if you can.
Your Treefolk Harbinger can grab Crib Swap for removal. I don't use it in my Doran deck because it focuses on general damage and I don't like giving my opponent a chump blocker.
I'm personally not a big fan of Jareth, Leonine Titan or Indomitable Ancients because neither do much except hit for a lot, and both hit for a lot less unless your general is out in which case you're much more likely to end the game thanks to general damage from Doran than any of your other creatures. You may be going for a different set of tactics, though.
I think in 1 vs 1 lands like Orzhov Basilica, Glogari Rot Farm and Selesnya sanctuary are bigger liabilities than they are helps.
Remember that with Doran out your Lignify gives your opponent a 4/4 blocker (still potentially useful, but not my cup of tea).
If you have the budget and desire EDH standards like Demonic Tutor are very nice. If not consider that Shred Memory is instant speed graveyard nerfing that can transmute for Nimbus Wings, Survival of the Fittest, Gaddock Teeg, Qasali Pridemage, Lightning Greaves, etc.
Since you have cards like Stitch Together and Vigor Mortis, why not try an old-fashioned Animate Dead? You might not always have :symb::symb: for Stitch Together and maybe want the other two mana for Vigor Mortis elsewhere. The -1/-0 doesn't mean much to your creatures and nothing at all when Doran's around.
Well, that was a lot more than I planned to write...
Thanks for the reply! Unfortunately, things like Survival and Riding the Dilu Horse are out of my budget, but Demonic Tutor is a good call, as is Animate Dead. And thanks for the tip about my lands. Are the "tap to add any color mana" lands ok then?
Thanks for the reply! Unfortunately, things like Survival and Riding the Dilu Horse are out of my budget, but Demonic Tutor is a good call, as is Animate Dead. And thanks for the tip about my lands. Are the "tap to add any color mana" lands ok then?
The vivid lands? Yes, but you can only tap for mana that are the colors of your general. For Doran you can ONLY produce GBW from your lands, regardless of what it says. Also, is this for 1v1 or multiplayer? I'm assuming 1v1 cause it's in this forum but I just thought I would clarify.
Treefolk Harbinger is super techy in Doran if you put the proper treefolk cards in it. I haven't glanced over your list too much yet to be honest but I agree with Kabuki on cutting all of those cards BUT Treefolk Harbinger IF you build around it correctly. I also agree with all of his suggestions as to what to add in to the deck.
Yeah, I haven't liked the Harbinger too much since I cut most of the Treefolk. He's either a chump blocker or mana fixer, but that hasn't happened too often. I am definitely adding BOP.
Wall of Omens is CA, pure and simple. Deathbringer Liege I thought was self explanatory - a powerful lord and removal on a stick. Hell's Caretaker is graveyard recursion, but I think I might be able to do better than him right now. He seems better than Recurring Nightmare in testing. Doomgape is there for when I need nothing but big beats.
I haven't liked Eladamri's Call when I used it before, and I think Worldy Tutor would be even worse. Same thing with Mother of Runes and Saffi. However, I think I should indeed add Enlightened Tutor. Survival is already in there. I agree with adding more discard, but I'm not sure if Hymn to Tourach is the best way to go about it. I was debating between Gerrard's Verdict and Mind Twist (shatter is awful).
Aluren hasn't proven to be that helpful, so I'll probably cut it. I'll consider Life From the Loam. Wasteland simply isn't there due to budget restrictions.
How about Angel of Despair? A 5/5 flier with a Vindicate stapled to it is a good deal, plus getting it back with Recurring Nightmare is funny as all hell.
Mold Shambler is kinda weak compared to AoD. If you play the angel I'd cut the shambler.
Pernicious Deed is an auto-include for any deck that can play it. If you're diligent, you can find one online for about 12$, not cheap, but better than the 20$+ they were.
Venser's Journal doesn't seem that effective. If you want infinite hand size, Library of Leng is cheaper and Praetor's Counsel rebuys your whole GY.
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Stompy (Mono-G super aggro)
According to the EDH site recurring nightmare is banned. I know that EDH is not a sanctioned format with an official list but most people do go with the banned list located http://mtgcommander.net/rules.php.
Also I second voodoo's endorsement of Angel of Despair, she is amazing.
EDIT: Nevermind the banned part, I forgot about the french list.
I already have Pernicious Deed. Yeah, I've been disappointed with the Journal too. Library of Leng seems much better. And replacing Shambler with Angel sounds like a solid call.
The first think that jumps out to me is bloodghast. I suppose you have 2 cards that use it well but besides that it just seems like a 1/1 for 2 that doesnt die..
my doran deck is multiplayer so i dont know if its true in 1v1 but if found wall of omens and blossoms to be just not realy what i wanted. they seem good but a lot of times they just chumblock a 6/6 once and thats it. idk. test it out, maybe in 1v1 theyre good
Save up and get that Riding the Dilu Horse and Survival for sure, tons of play is being seen with the White Pony...and Doran would be a beast under Horsemanship!!!
I like the concept of this deck, I'm going to start Doran build in do time I think.
S.M.
Thanks for the reply! Unfortunately, things like Survival and Riding the Dilu Horse are out of my budget, but Demonic Tutor is a good call, as is Animate Dead. And thanks for the tip about my lands. Are the "tap to add any color mana" lands ok then?
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Some changes:
-1 Dash Hopes (too conditional, not very good)
-1 Temporal Extortion (too hard to cast, and neither effect is often that great)
-1 Doomgape (too unreliable as a sac outlet)
-1 Retribution of the Meek (unreliable wrath now that the deck really isn't that Doran oriented)
-1 Llanowar Wastes
-1 Ancient Ziggurat (too conditional)
-1 Wave of Reckoning (same as Retribution)
-1 Despise (can miss easily and isn't that great anyway)
-1 Hell's Caretaker (too fragile and unreliable as a reanimator)
+1 Greater Good (better sac outlet)
+1 Aura Shards (more artifact/enchantment hate)
+1 Ghostly Prison (stops everything, great in multiplayer)
+1 Expedition Map (land search seems good)
+1 Debtors' Knell (more reliable reanimation)
+1 Prismatic Omen (mana fixing)
+1 Mind Shatter (more Mind Twist is good)
+1 Wrath of God (more reliable sweeper)
+1 Bayou (lol)
+1 Command Tower (duh)
In Multiplayer:
-1 Duress
-1 Inquisition of Kozilek
+1 Karmic Justice
+1 Syphon Mind
Those are pretty self-explanatory.
I'd like to work in the following: Scavenging Ooze, maybe Vigil For the Lost, and maybe Kodama's Reach.
I'm considering dropping Defense of the Heart. It's a good card, but a lot of the time I can't get it to trigger just when I need it and it kind of feels like a sloppier, undercosted Tooth and Nail. Thoughts?
Creatures: 18
1 Knight of the Reliquary (foil)
1 Stonehewer Giant (foil)
1 Birds of Paradise (foil)
1 Wickerbough Elder (foil)
1 Qasali Pridemage (foil)
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Oracle of Mul Daya (foil)
1 Woodfall Primus
1 Seedborn Muse (foil)
1 Eternal Witness
1 Genesis
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder (foil)
1 Acidic Slime (foil)
1 Angel of Despair (foil)
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Arbor Elf
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Sun Titan
Artifacts: 8
1 Expedition Map (foil)
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Sword of Feast and Famine (foil)
1 Lightning Greaves (foil)
1 Sol Ring
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sensei's Divining Top
Instants and Sorceries: 27
1 Night's Whisper
1 Reanimate
1 Kodama's Reach
1 Dismember (foil)
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Hymn to Tourach
1 Mind Twist
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Safewright Quest (foil)
1 Mind Shatter (foil)
1 Maelstrom Pulse (foil)
1 Damnation (Russian)
1 Path to Exile (foil)
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Life From the Loam
1 Beast Within (foil)
1 Castigate (foil)
1 Putrefy (foil)
1 Mortify (foil)
1 Harmonize (Russian)
1 Krosan Grip (foil)
1 Demonic Tutor (DvD)
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Hallowed Burial (foil)
1 Austere Command (French foil)
1 Identity Crisis (foil)
1 Burgeoning
1 Greater Good (foil)
1 Aura Shards (foil)
1 Ghostly Prison (foil)
1 Debtors' Knell (foil)
1 Pernicious Deed (foil)
1 Phyrexian Arena (foil)
1 Mirari's Wake
1 Sylvan Library
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Survival of the Fittest
1 Marshal's Anthem (foil)
Land: 30
1 Vivid Grove (foil)
1 Vivid Marsh
1 Vivid Meadow
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Murmuring Bosk
1 Command Tower
1 Fetid Heath
1 Wooded Bastion
1 Bayou
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Scrubland
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth (Russian)
1 Twilight Mire
1 City of Brass (foil)
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Mirrodin's Core
1 Bojuka Bog (foil)
1 Maze of Ith
1 Thran Quarry
1 Strip Mine (FBB Italian)
1 Stirring Wildwood (foil)
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All (foil)
1 Overgrown Tomb (foil)
1 Godless Shrine
1 Marsh Flats
1 Verdant Catacombs (foil)
1 Windswept Heath
1 Temple of the False God (foil)
1 High Market
1 Flagstones of Trokair (foil)
2 Swamp (foil)
2 Forest (foil)
2 Plains (foil)
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EDH:
Doran WBG
I recommend checking out the stickied "EDH Resources and Useful Threads" thread on the EDH Discussion main forum if you haven't already. Particularly check out the official EDH website. Three of your cards (Savage Lands, Arcane Sanctum and Jungle Shrine) can't legally be played in a Doran deck because they contain mana symbols that are not in his casting cost.
Bravo to you for picking my favorite 1 vs 1 EDH general.
I notice you've picked up many of the creatures Survival of the Fittest likes but you don't have one. I'd recommend getting it and a Karmic Guide if you can.
Your Treefolk Harbinger can grab Crib Swap for removal. I don't use it in my Doran deck because it focuses on general damage and I don't like giving my opponent a chump blocker.
I'm personally not a big fan of Jareth, Leonine Titan or Indomitable Ancients because neither do much except hit for a lot, and both hit for a lot less unless your general is out in which case you're much more likely to end the game thanks to general damage from Doran than any of your other creatures. You may be going for a different set of tactics, though.
If you do end up shooting for general damage, though, consider adding cards that make Doran evasive: Nimbus Wings, Shield of the Oversoul and Whispersilk Cloak. I use all but the last of those. Riding the Dilu Horse is just funny (it makes Doran ride that horse!) You can also protect Doran with something like Gaddock Teeg.
Lightning Greaves is also great (potentially makes Doran swing on turn 3 with shroud). You can add trample with Loxodon Warhammer, Behemoth Sledge or Armadillo Cloak if you feel you need it.
I think in 1 vs 1 lands like Orzhov Basilica, Glogari Rot Farm and Selesnya sanctuary are bigger liabilities than they are helps.
Remember that with Doran out your Lignify gives your opponent a 4/4 blocker (still potentially useful, but not my cup of tea).
If you have the budget and desire EDH standards like Demonic Tutor are very nice. If not consider that Shred Memory is instant speed graveyard nerfing that can transmute for Nimbus Wings, Survival of the Fittest, Gaddock Teeg, Qasali Pridemage, Lightning Greaves, etc.
Since you have cards like Stitch Together and Vigor Mortis, why not try an old-fashioned Animate Dead? You might not always have :symb::symb: for Stitch Together and maybe want the other two mana for Vigor Mortis elsewhere. The -1/-0 doesn't mean much to your creatures and nothing at all when Doran's around.
Well, that was a lot more than I planned to write...
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EDH:
Doran WBG
The vivid lands? Yes, but you can only tap for mana that are the colors of your general. For Doran you can ONLY produce GBW from your lands, regardless of what it says. Also, is this for 1v1 or multiplayer? I'm assuming 1v1 cause it's in this forum but I just thought I would clarify.
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Wall of Omens is CA, pure and simple. Deathbringer Liege I thought was self explanatory - a powerful lord and removal on a stick. Hell's Caretaker is graveyard recursion, but I think I might be able to do better than him right now. He seems better than Recurring Nightmare in testing. Doomgape is there for when I need nothing but big beats.
I haven't liked Eladamri's Call when I used it before, and I think Worldy Tutor would be even worse. Same thing with Mother of Runes and Saffi. However, I think I should indeed add Enlightened Tutor. Survival is already in there. I agree with adding more discard, but I'm not sure if Hymn to Tourach is the best way to go about it. I was debating between Gerrard's Verdict and Mind Twist (shatter is awful).
Aluren hasn't proven to be that helpful, so I'll probably cut it. I'll consider Life From the Loam. Wasteland simply isn't there due to budget restrictions.
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The tutors just haven't worked out for me very well.
I don't play online, so Twist will be fine in my playgroup. Shatter is only "awful" in comparison to Twist, which I can and will run.
I'll probably play Hymn too.
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EDH:
Doran WBG
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Doran WBG
Mold Shambler is kinda weak compared to AoD. If you play the angel I'd cut the shambler.
Pernicious Deed is an auto-include for any deck that can play it. If you're diligent, you can find one online for about 12$, not cheap, but better than the 20$+ they were.
Venser's Journal doesn't seem that effective. If you want infinite hand size, Library of Leng is cheaper and Praetor's Counsel rebuys your whole GY.
Standard
RogueDeckWins (mono-B aggro)
AngelDusk G/W/U control)
Land of Confusion (B/R/u Blightning Beatdown
Shore/Bind (G/U aggro w/ mistbind clique)
Casual
Hostile Takeover (U/B Tutor)
Stompy (Mono-G super aggro)
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Also I second voodoo's endorsement of Angel of Despair, she is amazing.
EDIT: Nevermind the banned part, I forgot about the french list.
GBW Teneb EDH
BW Titan control
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Doran WBG
I hear 40 power creatures are good in EDH.
And Recurring Nightmare is banned, so it's back to Hell's Caretaker.
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EDH:
Doran WBG
The one doran player in my group ran wakestone gargoyle, rolling stones, and a few other cards that could take doran out of turtle mode. His version had a lot of defenders, wall of blossoms and wall of omens, etc.
Then again... that is pretty easy to disrupt. And he did take apart the deck after a while... maybe I shouldn't be suggesting cards from it.
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my doran deck is multiplayer so i dont know if its true in 1v1 but if found wall of omens and blossoms to be just not realy what i wanted. they seem good but a lot of times they just chumblock a 6/6 once and thats it. idk. test it out, maybe in 1v1 theyre good
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BGWDoran
Legacy:
GSuperland Eldrazi
Yeah, I've considered dropping WoO. It often reads 1W: draw a card.
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I like the concept of this deck, I'm going to start Doran build in do time I think.
S.M.
Creatures: 12
1 Stonehewer Giant
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Wickerbough Elder
1 Qasali Pridemage (foil)
1 Deathbringer Liege (foil)
1 Woodfall Primus
1 Silklash Spider
1 Eternal Witness
1 Genesis
1 Acidic Slime
1 Angel of Despair
Artifacts: 8
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Mind's Eye
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Library of Leng
1 Amulet of Vigor
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sensei's Divining Top
Instants and Sorceries: 37
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Mind Twist
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Momentous Fall
1 Safewright Quest
1 Dash Hopes
1 Temporal Extortion
1 Retribution of the Meek
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Damnation (foil)
1 Path to Exile (foil)
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Crime//Punishment
1 Duress
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Castigate (foil)
1 Putrefy
1 Mortify
1 Shield of the Oversoul
1 Harmonize
1 Wave of Reckoning
1 Krosan Grip (foil)
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Ghostly Prison
1 Gerrard's Verdict
1 Hymn to Tourach
1 Thoughtseize
1 Elephant Grass
1 Norn's Annex
1 Rebuff the Wicked
1 Withering Boon
1 Lapse of Certainty
1 Bind
1 Dawn Charm
1 Illumination
1 Rust
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Mirari's Wake
1 Sylvan Library
1 Privileged Position (foil)
1 Survival of the Fittest
Land: 28
1 Vivid Grove (foil)
1 Vivid Marsh (foil)
1 Vivid Meadow
1 Flagstones of Trokair
1 Murmuring Bosk
1 Ancient Ziggurat
1 Fetid Heath
1 Wooded Bastion
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Sunpetal Grove
1 Caves of Koilos
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Twilight Mire
1 City of Brass
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Mirrodin's Core
1 Rupture Spire (foil)
1 Shimmering Grotto
1 Thran Quarry
1 Strip Mine
1 Stirring Wildwood
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Godless Shrine
1 Marsh Flats
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Windswept Heath
1 Temple of the False God
1 High Market
1 Flagstones of Trokair
2 Swamp (foil)
2 Forest
2 Plains
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EDH:
Doran WBG
Some changes:
-1 Dash Hopes (too conditional, not very good)
-1 Temporal Extortion (too hard to cast, and neither effect is often that great)
-1 Doomgape (too unreliable as a sac outlet)
-1 Retribution of the Meek (unreliable wrath now that the deck really isn't that Doran oriented)
-1 Llanowar Wastes
-1 Ancient Ziggurat (too conditional)
-1 Wave of Reckoning (same as Retribution)
-1 Despise (can miss easily and isn't that great anyway)
-1 Hell's Caretaker (too fragile and unreliable as a reanimator)
+1 Greater Good (better sac outlet)
+1 Aura Shards (more artifact/enchantment hate)
+1 Ghostly Prison (stops everything, great in multiplayer)
+1 Expedition Map (land search seems good)
+1 Debtors' Knell (more reliable reanimation)
+1 Prismatic Omen (mana fixing)
+1 Mind Shatter (more Mind Twist is good)
+1 Wrath of God (more reliable sweeper)
+1 Bayou (lol)
+1 Command Tower (duh)
In Multiplayer:
-1 Duress
-1 Inquisition of Kozilek
+1 Karmic Justice
+1 Syphon Mind
Those are pretty self-explanatory.
I'd like to work in the following: Scavenging Ooze, maybe Vigil For the Lost, and maybe Kodama's Reach.
So here's the current list:
Creatures: 18
1 Stonehewer Giant (foil)
1 Bloodghast
1 Birds of Paradise (foil)
1 Wickerbough Elder (foil)
1 Qasali Pridemage (foil)
1 Deathbringer Liege (foil)
1 Oracle of Mul Daya (foil)
1 Woodfall Primus
1 Teneb, the Harvester
1 Silklash Spider (foil)
1 Seedborn Muse
1 Eternal Witness
1 Genesis
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder (foil)
1 Acidic Slime (foil)
1 Angel of Despair (foil)
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Masked Admirers
Artifacts: 9
1 Expedition Map (foil)
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Skullclamp (foil)
1 Sword of Feast and Famine (foil)
1 Lightning Greaves (foil)
1 Library of Leng
1 Amulet of Vigor (foil)
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sensei's Divining Top
Instants and Sorceries: 24
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Mind Twist
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Momentous Fall (foil)
1 Safewright Quest (foil)
1 Mind Shatter (foil)
1 Maelstrom Pulse (foil)
1 Damnation (foil)
1 Path to Exile (foil)
1 Unearth (foil)
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Crime//Punishment
1 Duress
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Castigate (foil)
1 Putrefy (foil)
1 Mortify (foil)
1 Shield of the Oversoul
1 Harmonize
1 Krosan Grip (foil)
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Hallowed Burial (foil)
1 Austere Command
1 Greater Good (foil)
1 Aura Shards
1 Ghostly Prison
1 Prismatic Omen
1 Debtors' Knell (foil)
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Phyrexian Arena (foil)
1 Mana Reflection
1 Sylvan Library
1 Privileged Position (foil)
1 Survival of the Fittest
1 Marshal's Anthem (foil)
Land: 30
1 Vivid Grove (foil)
1 Vivid Marsh
1 Vivid Meadow
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Murmuring Bosk
1 Command Tower
1 Fetid Heath
1 Wooded Bastion
1 Bayou
1 Sunpetal Grove (foil)
1 Scrubland
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Twilight Mire
1 City of Brass (foil)
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Mirrodin's Core
1 Rupture Spire (foil)
1 Shimmering Grotto (foil)
1 Thran Quarry
1 Strip Mine (FBB Italian)
1 Stirring Wildwood
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Godless Shrine
1 Marsh Flats (foil)
1 Verdant Catacombs (foil)
1 Windswept Heath
1 Temple of the False God (foil)
1 High Market
1 Flagstones of Trokair (foil)
2 Swamp (foil)
2 Forest (foil)
2 Plains (foil)
And if anyone has more ideas for graveyard oriented stuff, that would be great too. Thanks!
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EDH:
Doran WBG
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