Lol, if it turns out there are no changes, I'm going to be so salty.
It's not entirely outside the realm of possibility that this happens. They could be taking baby steps with the CAG: introduce them, formalize their charter, solidify their vision and philosophy, and THEN start banning and/or unbanning things and making rules changes.
I would even go so far as to expect this. (The baby steps approach, not the no changes announcement). Considering the size, age, and stability of the format, there's no need for racing off on anything. Taking things slow and thorough with the CAG would be a solid gameplan.
I personally expect a revision of the Commander Philosophy to go along with the Banlist announcement.
As for the banlist announcement itself, there's nothing that really stands out to me of recent sets, and older cards have not gotten any huge new prominence to drastically need changing, however some cards may get shifted around based on the clarifications of the Philosophy.
Iona I feel is the most likely potential candidate, as I personally feel she creates those undesirable gamestates where someone, or multiple someone's can't play - as well as that I personally feel she interacts poorly with the format and rules of Commander (despite having a quote from the RC somewhere that they generally feel she does not break the interacts poorly with format rule).
Cyclonic Rift is one I can always dream about - I feel its effect is clearly incorrectly costed, but further than that it actually makes it fairly high up on the Salt Index from EDHrec that was recently posted somewhere around here. So I hold out a tiny but of hope, though no expectations.
Looking at unbans, I don't see anything that needs to come off - but potentials could be Panoptic Mirror (other 2 card combos have been removed of late, and there are 'fair' and 'fun' ways to use it, and there's plenty of ways for people who want to loop time magic to do so already).
Painter's Servant is an often-requested item, and again, seems a fairly safe 'casual' unban, because if someone is trying to abuse it... well then it's not accidental anymore. I think I would probably be annoyed at the unbanning, simply because of all the people who would start running those interactions just to show that they could... but hopefully that would die down fairly quickly.
Coalition Victory is the last that I could see as a 'potential,' in that while Commander makes it easier to cast it to win... there are plenty of existing "I Win" cards, many of which actually take less setup, or even interact the same manner as the format, such as Felidar Sovereign being easier to trigger in Commander.
Overall though, I expect a clarification of the philosophy, and I'm not holding my breath on any changes to the Banlist. Iona's got the highest chance, but she's been around since forever, and I know that in my playgroup at least that ban would be a resounding "meh", because none of us run her anyways. Not even our Tribal Angel fanatic currently, and that's saying something.
I see a revamped philosophy document that more clearly defines what the CaG and RC see as the baseline for the format, including talking about discouraged strategies in broad strokes. Rather than "combos are bad" I expect something along the lines of "in a typical commander game, your deck shouldn't be tutoring up it's combo at the earliest possibility. While this is certainly something that some players like, it should be kept to playgroups and players that want a more competitive edge to their games." I also see adjustments to the banlist criteria to clarify a few points, and potentially break out some of the more expensive criteria into multiple criteria focusing on specific points, or using bullet points to draw focus to the individual points (problematic casual omnipresence comes to mind, as does undesirable game states).
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It must be how I charmed Sheldon and Scott at Roanoke. I was hoping to make it to gencon but that's not happening. Really wanted a chance to meet you as well.
On topic, A+ announcement, mad if the CAG had as much influence as I suspect, they should all get a pat on the back as well.
It must be how I charmed Sheldon and Scott at Roanoke. I was hoping to make it to gencon but that's not happening. Really wanted a chance to meet you as well.
On topic, A+ announcement, mad if the CAG had as much influence as I suspect, they should all get a pat on the back as well.
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StaffI personally expect a revision of the Commander Philosophy to go along with the Banlist announcement.
As for the banlist announcement itself, there's nothing that really stands out to me of recent sets, and older cards have not gotten any huge new prominence to drastically need changing, however some cards may get shifted around based on the clarifications of the Philosophy.
Overall though, I expect a clarification of the philosophy, and I'm not holding my breath on any changes to the Banlist. Iona's got the highest chance, but she's been around since forever, and I know that in my playgroup at least that ban would be a resounding "meh", because none of us run her anyways. Not even our Tribal Angel fanatic currently, and that's saying something.
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and unban recurring nightmare right?
I am ready for all the gray merchant of asphodel cycling kokusho tears. Just play some gravehate scrubs, amirite?
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Ban Cryo.
Jiv's right. Banning Cryo is how we save the format.
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Agreed on all counts, lol.
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Paradox Engine and Iona banned. Painter's servant freed.
What's Cryo? Can't figure that one out - it'll probably turn out to be something obvious.
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It must be how I charmed Sheldon and Scott at Roanoke. I was hoping to make it to gencon but that's not happening. Really wanted a chance to meet you as well.
On topic, A+ announcement, mad if the CAG had as much influence as I suspect, they should all get a pat on the back as well.
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well you didn't charm them enough recurring nightmare is still banned
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