In advance, im not english raised so there will be some/alot of typos.
I was playing edh today with my feather the redeemed deck and a player got really salty with me because in his head i played wrong, so id like to explain them here and see if i played them right.
1st thing:
Played a boardwipe, blasphemous act. When no1 countered it and every1 said ok i said in responce ill made my commander indestructable with a 1 plains instant.
2nd thing:
Other player then mr salty tried to destroy 3 non creature cards with that 9/9 green creature that gives you a 3/3 elephant. He targetted my aria of flame with 5 counters on it. Then something of another opponent, that player picked up a token and put his card in gj. Then thought for 5-10 seconds and said he didnt wanna target another target. I said in responce ill play 3 instants and it turned out to be enouf damage from aria to kill the 9/9 creature playing owner so the other player had to put his card back from gj.
These were both in the same game in witch i was going pretty well, drawing the right answers and ended up winning the last game of the night (after losing 4 games).
He got real salty after it saying that he didnt like me and after asking him he said it was because of above 2 examples.
He said because the other player already put his card in his gj, i was to late to respond to it (he said that after the game, not during)
And we didnt discuss the first example because i didnt wanna escalate it further and just appoligized saying that ive been playing for half a year now and still make mistakes and it was my second fnm playing this deck.
I know every1 gets salty every now and then and its rough if certain cards you play dont get any value while others do. But my deck was mostly derping around the other games while he was pretty strong.
I can understand he doesnt like playing agianst my deck cause it has alot of answers on target destroy cards and some other effects, but it wasnt happening the preveous games, plus hes playing a ninjiutsu deck where he was burning every1 for up to 13 damage some turns so i didnt interfere with his plan at all night.
1. I'm afraid that you're in the wrong here. If you want to respond to your own spells, then you need to hold priority to cast what you want with the spell on the stack. That means you need to cast your protective spell immediately once you cast the board wipe. If you pass priority, which you asking for responses indicates, the spell will resolve.
2. This time, you definitely has the right of it. The only player who gets to make your priority decisions is you. Magic is not a game of dexterity in which players get to change what other players get to do just by playing faster. Everybody gets a chance to react.
1st thing:
Played a boardwipe, blasphemous act. When no1 countered it and every1 said ok i said in responce ill made my commander indestructable with a 1 plains instant.
You misplayed that. Once you put something on the stack (cast a spell, activate an ability, etc.) and then pass priority, then if everybody else passes priority and it gets back to you that thing will resolve. You would not have an opportunity at that point to make your commander indestructible. What you could have done is cast Blasphemous Act, retain priority and make your commander indestructible in response, then pass priority twice around the table to resolve both (assuming nobody responds to either). So there was a legal way to do the same thing.
2nd thing:
Other player then mr salty tried to destroy 3 non creature cards with that 9/9 green creature that gives you a 3/3 elephant. He targetted my aria of flame with 5 counters on it. Then something of another opponent, that player picked up a token and put his card in gj. Then thought for 5-10 seconds and said he didnt wanna target another target. I said in responce ill play 3 instants and it turned out to be enouf damage from aria to kill the 9/9 creature playing owner so the other player had to put his card back from gj.
Okay, so the second player with something targeted prematurely put their card in the graveyard, since the Terastodon's controller hadn't even decided about a third target yet. But the rest of that works out fine. After picking his targets he has to pass priority to get the Terastodon's trigger to resolve and the targets actually destroyed. Then when you had priority you cast those instants, each triggering Aria of Flame and you target Terastodon's controller with each trigger. Those have to resolve before Terastodon's trigger can. Once that player is dead, though, to put it simply his stuff would leave the game, including the trigger he controlled on the stack.
Alright. So sneaking in an indestructable spell after a boardwipe of yourself is not possible, that makes the indestructable spell a huge waste if the boardwipe gets countered. Good to know, thanks.
We dont really pass priority when we cast spells but just ask if anyone wants to response to it.
Not sure if i want to introduce that priority passing and possibly ruin the casually way we play. But it would be helpfull for my learning if i ever decide to play competitive
We dont really pass priority when we cast spells but just ask if anyone wants to response to it.
That's just a shortcut for passing priority all the way around if nobody wants to respond. You don't have to explicitly pass priority all the time -- nobody does that, we all use the shortcuts -- but you should be aware of how it's working "under the hood" so you can deal with tricky circumstances according to the game's rules.
As regards #1, there are a few tricks you can use to exploit the way people play the game without breaking the rules (which you did break the rules, as others have said). If you play a boardwipe, and you see someone else has something else they're very likely to do (for example - they have a skitheryx, the blight dragon sitting around and will probably choose to regenerate it). In that case, you can choose not to cast your indestructible spell. If they activate skittles, priority will come back around to you, but most likely if someone has a counterspell they're planning to use, they'll go ahead and use it rather than wait for skittles regenerate ability to resolve first. So you chance choose to wait until the last minute, once skittles regen ability has resolved and it's the very last time around the board before the boardwipe resolves, and THEN play your indestructible spell.
You can also do this by putting some other, less critical spell/ability of your own on the stack above your board wipe. Like, cast the boardwipe, hold priority, cast heal or whatever. Priority passes for heal to resolve, and then you can cast the indestructible spell once heal resolves.
Now, both of these tricks rely on your opponents not waiting until the last possible chance to cast their counterspells. But they could still theoretically do that. People just usually don't. In the first trick, your opponents could also be super savvy, realize what you're doing, and then choose not to use otherwise-obvious abilities like the skittles one in order to screw you over by not giving you priority back, and just let the board wipe resolve. Or maybe they actually have something else they need the mana for more - it is possible.
Mind you, it's probably not worth it for your deck because you get back the indestructible spell anyway, unless feather's dead, they kill the target in response, or they outright counterspell the indestructible. In your case, it might be cleaner to just cast the indestructible spell BEFORE the board wipe - there's no a lot of reason not to. By putting both on the stack at once, you're just giving your opponents more information.
There, more nitty-gritty than you ever wanted. I told you not to read it.
Ye. Thats also a smart option. Casting a second spell in my priority like bandage, preventing 1 dage and drawing a card. And when that resolves i can make it indestructable. Thanks that makes alot of sense
Surprised no one mentioned that this is better suited for the rulings forum (and mobile so cant provide link)
I myself did not know that you could not respond to a spell you cast. I thought you had one final chance and then it resolved. I now know i have to hold priority.
Yeah i started this thread thinking id write it about the salt and what to do incase it happens. But didnt know for sure if i was at fault or if he was just targetting me
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I was playing edh today with my feather the redeemed deck and a player got really salty with me because in his head i played wrong, so id like to explain them here and see if i played them right.
1st thing:
Played a boardwipe, blasphemous act. When no1 countered it and every1 said ok i said in responce ill made my commander indestructable with a 1 plains instant.
2nd thing:
Other player then mr salty tried to destroy 3 non creature cards with that 9/9 green creature that gives you a 3/3 elephant. He targetted my aria of flame with 5 counters on it. Then something of another opponent, that player picked up a token and put his card in gj. Then thought for 5-10 seconds and said he didnt wanna target another target. I said in responce ill play 3 instants and it turned out to be enouf damage from aria to kill the 9/9 creature playing owner so the other player had to put his card back from gj.
These were both in the same game in witch i was going pretty well, drawing the right answers and ended up winning the last game of the night (after losing 4 games).
He got real salty after it saying that he didnt like me and after asking him he said it was because of above 2 examples.
He said because the other player already put his card in his gj, i was to late to respond to it (he said that after the game, not during)
And we didnt discuss the first example because i didnt wanna escalate it further and just appoligized saying that ive been playing for half a year now and still make mistakes and it was my second fnm playing this deck.
I know every1 gets salty every now and then and its rough if certain cards you play dont get any value while others do. But my deck was mostly derping around the other games while he was pretty strong.
Not sure if it matters but the deck is roughly a budget version of:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/08-04-19-some-deck/
I can understand he doesnt like playing agianst my deck cause it has alot of answers on target destroy cards and some other effects, but it wasnt happening the preveous games, plus hes playing a ninjiutsu deck where he was burning every1 for up to 13 damage some turns so i didnt interfere with his plan at all night.
2. This time, you definitely has the right of it. The only player who gets to make your priority decisions is you. Magic is not a game of dexterity in which players get to change what other players get to do just by playing faster. Everybody gets a chance to react.
Okay, so the second player with something targeted prematurely put their card in the graveyard, since the Terastodon's controller hadn't even decided about a third target yet. But the rest of that works out fine. After picking his targets he has to pass priority to get the Terastodon's trigger to resolve and the targets actually destroyed. Then when you had priority you cast those instants, each triggering Aria of Flame and you target Terastodon's controller with each trigger. Those have to resolve before Terastodon's trigger can. Once that player is dead, though, to put it simply his stuff would leave the game, including the trigger he controlled on the stack.
So they were just upset by the sudden defeat.
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We dont really pass priority when we cast spells but just ask if anyone wants to response to it.
Not sure if i want to introduce that priority passing and possibly ruin the casually way we play. But it would be helpfull for my learning if i ever decide to play competitive
old thread
old thread
old thread
R Zada Arcane Storm
RBU Marchesa
GWU Estrid
GWR Samut?
URB Kess
(R/W)(U/B) Akiri & Silas
BWR Alesha
R Neheb Dragons
G Nylea Wurms
W Darien
U Tetsuko
As regards #1, there are a few tricks you can use to exploit the way people play the game without breaking the rules (which you did break the rules, as others have said). If you play a boardwipe, and you see someone else has something else they're very likely to do (for example - they have a skitheryx, the blight dragon sitting around and will probably choose to regenerate it). In that case, you can choose not to cast your indestructible spell. If they activate skittles, priority will come back around to you, but most likely if someone has a counterspell they're planning to use, they'll go ahead and use it rather than wait for skittles regenerate ability to resolve first. So you chance choose to wait until the last minute, once skittles regen ability has resolved and it's the very last time around the board before the boardwipe resolves, and THEN play your indestructible spell.
You can also do this by putting some other, less critical spell/ability of your own on the stack above your board wipe. Like, cast the boardwipe, hold priority, cast heal or whatever. Priority passes for heal to resolve, and then you can cast the indestructible spell once heal resolves.
Now, both of these tricks rely on your opponents not waiting until the last possible chance to cast their counterspells. But they could still theoretically do that. People just usually don't. In the first trick, your opponents could also be super savvy, realize what you're doing, and then choose not to use otherwise-obvious abilities like the skittles one in order to screw you over by not giving you priority back, and just let the board wipe resolve. Or maybe they actually have something else they need the mana for more - it is possible.
Mind you, it's probably not worth it for your deck because you get back the indestructible spell anyway, unless feather's dead, they kill the target in response, or they outright counterspell the indestructible. In your case, it might be cleaner to just cast the indestructible spell BEFORE the board wipe - there's no a lot of reason not to. By putting both on the stack at once, you're just giving your opponents more information.
There, more nitty-gritty than you ever wanted. I told you not to read it.
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I myself did not know that you could not respond to a spell you cast. I thought you had one final chance and then it resolved. I now know i have to hold priority.