There's something more satisfying about playing a deck built on cards you actually own, like figuring out a strategy on limited resources.
There are some people who like that (i do that sometimes), and some who just don't have the patience for it. I tend not to like brewing for EDH though, since the brews i make generally are reliant on specific cards, and having to tutor for them makes the deck just not as fun, somehow.
But good on ya, OP! will be looking forwards to seeing how your journey through EDH looks like.
I ordered 3 decks, all 3 from command quarters, all 3 the budget versions.
I went for phenax, phelddagrid and xantcha.
All seemed pretty unique to me and ended up on 80 euro inclusive commanders
1 last question on a totally diffrent subject, last 3 times there was some1 playing who had a horrible stench coming off him, so much that when he sat next to me i just picked up my stuff and sat at a diffrent table. I have no problem talking to him about it in a private conversation, but is there an etiquette here?
Would it be best to talk to him myself or to the shop owner about it? He knows the guy longer then me and im kinda new to magic, let alone etiquette about bad odour in magic.
Ps This wasnt your, ive worked real hard and ive build up some sweat today, this was ive worked up sweat last week and havnt changed or showered.
I ordered 3 decks, all 3 from command quarters, all 3 the budget versions.
I went for phenax, phelddagrid and xantcha.
All seemed pretty unique to me and ended up on 80 euro inclusive commanders
1 last question on a totally diffrent subject, last 3 times there was some1 playing who had a horrible stench coming off him, so much that when he sat next to me i just picked up my stuff and sat at a diffrent table. I have no problem talking to him about it in a private conversation, but is there an etiquette here?
Would it be best to talk to him myself or to the shop owner about it? He knows the guy longer then me and im kinda new to magic, let alone etiquette about bad odour in magic.
Ps This wasnt your, ive worked real hard and ive build up some sweat today, this was ive worked up sweat last week and havnt changed or showered.
If I may be so bold...
That commanders quarters Phelddagrif list is an abomination unto my sight. If you want to unlock the real potential of Phelddagrif, I've got the perfect primer for you, because I wrote it (no conflict of interest here!), and it's easy to build a budget decklist from it as well - a budget decklist that can trash competitive decks when played well. His deck is cute but it honestly has no chance to stand up to anyone doing anything remotely powerful, and will most likely fuel those people into crushing you even more quickly and easily. If you're playing in a low-powered meta it seems funny, but I would never bring that deck anywhere near a table of competitive, or even 75%, decks.
As far as odors, I usually just suck it up. If you have to say something, I'd recommend something that doesn't point fingers, something like "it kinda smells like BO in here" so the person doesn't feel singled out and maybe they'll catch wise and shower next time. But honestly I think it's unlikely there's much you can do. Telling the store owner might be your best course of action since you can remain anonymous. I definitely wouldn't tell him anything with anyone else around.
How would you play a weak commander a few games, win a few games after each other and stil do politics? Wouldnt every1 on the table go for you after winning 2-3 games in a row?
Or is the strenght in this deck, playing off you won the game by sheer luck and then switch decks to not show the strenght to anyone?
How would you play a weak commander a few games, win a few games after each other and stil do politics? Wouldnt every1 on the table go for you after winning 2-3 games in a row?
Or is the strenght in this deck, playing off you won the game by sheer luck and then switch decks to not show the strenght to anyone?
I talk about that at a few places in the guide, but the basic rundown is:
-even if people know you're a threat, you're usually not the most pressing problem so you rarely get the hate
-messing with you tends to do more to diminish that player's chances of winning more than it diminishes yours, so no one wants to be the one to do it
-most people are not directly killed by you - usually only one is - so you don't come off as a dominant force in the eyes of most opponents
-there are few avenues to attack your gameplan because you play so few nonland permanents - and you don't even really have a plan to disrupt besides staying alive, playing lands, and keeping your hand full-ish
-you can motivate people to leave you alone with Phelddagrif's power of bribes
-and yes, to a certain extent your wins do often look "lucky" because it comes down to having the right answers to your opponent and swinging in with Phelddagrif - rarely do you appear totally dominant and powerful
If you do play it over and over with no breaks and win consistently I could see people going full archenemy on you and accruing some losses, but I personally tend to switch up decks pretty often.
Ok, ive read the guide and its pretty awesome. The commander guild only talks about giving enemies hippos to attack each other and playing cards that give enemies attackinv you with your hippos bad value.
This was a nice read, thanks. I will play a bunch with the 3 decks amd then see what style i like and maybe use your budget version
Tbh i dont think i could pull your deck off yet.
When i have a removal spell i want to play i usually ask the players what i should remove it on, who is the biggest treath ect. Maybe in a few months of actively playing.
Ive also been practicing playing magic through the webcam on discord. Its pretty fun
Tbh i dont think i could pull your deck off yet.
When i have a removal spell i want to play i usually ask the players what i should remove it on, who is the biggest treath ect. Maybe in a few months of actively playing.
Yeah, fair point, it might be a lot for a newer player. Still, I'd be a bit wary of the quarters decklist, it looks really ineffective in any metas that are more advanced than play dudes and attack.
When you play against anyone who uses cards that take control of yours, someone is going to find out eventually.
I would like to know how that would be possible. I play with people who sleeve cards. But when you have decks worth a few hundred to my current deck being worth over 4k You tend to want to keep the cards safe. So unless you play with people who have some weird need to unsleeve a card when they take control of yours, there would still be no reason for them to find out.
That said I only proxy card sthat I don;t have mutiple copies of (like Mana crypt) or cards that i am playtesting (Like when i played Nin, the pain artists the day she was spoiled.) If they are a NO PROXY bunch, well then either find alternative cards, buy the real ones or find a different group.
Personally in EDH with no prizes, I don't see the big deal, Its for fun so if someone cannot afford the price tag, let them play with proxies. We had a guy who had decks with 80+ cards were proxied. he uses real cards now but not only was he proxying cards but he was using Time walk in EDH. He didn't know the ban list.
Even then i had no problem with him using proxies since i was pretty bad when i first started playing EDH as well. (About 20 proxies in a deck) (Well maybe not first started, but still early on, third deck, firth deck. Pretty much every deck after my first two ran at least one proxy or another. Now i have one deck with no proxies (Costing 4k+) and one deck with a couple proxies (Costing my guess is about 1k+) Not that it matters it usually wins by turn 3. Turn 1 and 2 are also consitant wins. cEDH is not fun, but I have a deck for when it is needed.
Yeah, i have a few of those players at the fnm where i go to, they say they have a mid power deck and win on turn 3, turn 5 if they get bad cards. And then hold their wincon in their hand saying, i wont win yet. Not fun at all. I avoid them haha, dont like infinite combos anyway
I proxy cards that I'm able to afford rather than cards that are almost impossible for me to get a hold of especially when it comes to the Reserve List. My EDH / Commander playgroups are normally fine with me running proxies though I do the best I can to get printed copies of them until I'm able to purchase them from my LGS or online through eBay.
I also try not to proxy cards that I plan on taking out of my EDH / Commander decks If they don't run well while play testing though it can be hard to be honest with your playgroup about that sort of thing. One of my friends runs proxies for Sliver Overlord and Gaea's Cradle which everyone in my playgroup have been okay with thus far.
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There are some people who like that (i do that sometimes), and some who just don't have the patience for it. I tend not to like brewing for EDH though, since the brews i make generally are reliant on specific cards, and having to tutor for them makes the deck just not as fun, somehow.
But good on ya, OP! will be looking forwards to seeing how your journey through EDH looks like.
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I'm not going to lie you will be targeted when you play the commander because it can do some degenerate things but there is a lot of room to build.
I went for phenax, phelddagrid and xantcha.
All seemed pretty unique to me and ended up on 80 euro inclusive commanders
1 last question on a totally diffrent subject, last 3 times there was some1 playing who had a horrible stench coming off him, so much that when he sat next to me i just picked up my stuff and sat at a diffrent table. I have no problem talking to him about it in a private conversation, but is there an etiquette here?
Would it be best to talk to him myself or to the shop owner about it? He knows the guy longer then me and im kinda new to magic, let alone etiquette about bad odour in magic.
Ps This wasnt your, ive worked real hard and ive build up some sweat today, this was ive worked up sweat last week and havnt changed or showered.
That commanders quarters Phelddagrif list is an abomination unto my sight. If you want to unlock the real potential of Phelddagrif, I've got the perfect primer for you, because I wrote it (no conflict of interest here!), and it's easy to build a budget decklist from it as well - a budget decklist that can trash competitive decks when played well. His deck is cute but it honestly has no chance to stand up to anyone doing anything remotely powerful, and will most likely fuel those people into crushing you even more quickly and easily. If you're playing in a low-powered meta it seems funny, but I would never bring that deck anywhere near a table of competitive, or even 75%, decks.
As far as odors, I usually just suck it up. If you have to say something, I'd recommend something that doesn't point fingers, something like "it kinda smells like BO in here" so the person doesn't feel singled out and maybe they'll catch wise and shower next time. But honestly I think it's unlikely there's much you can do. Telling the store owner might be your best course of action since you can remain anonymous. I definitely wouldn't tell him anything with anyone else around.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Or is the strenght in this deck, playing off you won the game by sheer luck and then switch decks to not show the strenght to anyone?
-even if people know you're a threat, you're usually not the most pressing problem so you rarely get the hate
-messing with you tends to do more to diminish that player's chances of winning more than it diminishes yours, so no one wants to be the one to do it
-most people are not directly killed by you - usually only one is - so you don't come off as a dominant force in the eyes of most opponents
-there are few avenues to attack your gameplan because you play so few nonland permanents - and you don't even really have a plan to disrupt besides staying alive, playing lands, and keeping your hand full-ish
-you can motivate people to leave you alone with Phelddagrif's power of bribes
-and yes, to a certain extent your wins do often look "lucky" because it comes down to having the right answers to your opponent and swinging in with Phelddagrif - rarely do you appear totally dominant and powerful
If you do play it over and over with no breaks and win consistently I could see people going full archenemy on you and accruing some losses, but I personally tend to switch up decks pretty often.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
This was a nice read, thanks. I will play a bunch with the 3 decks amd then see what style i like and maybe use your budget version
Tbh i dont think i could pull your deck off yet.
When i have a removal spell i want to play i usually ask the players what i should remove it on, who is the biggest treath ect. Maybe in a few months of actively playing.
Ive also been practicing playing magic through the webcam on discord. Its pretty fun
However using a fake and then lying about it will not go down well (I would imagine).
As others have said using fakes hurts the game we love. I just personally wouldn't go there.
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
I would like to know how that would be possible. I play with people who sleeve cards. But when you have decks worth a few hundred to my current deck being worth over 4k You tend to want to keep the cards safe. So unless you play with people who have some weird need to unsleeve a card when they take control of yours, there would still be no reason for them to find out.
That said I only proxy card sthat I don;t have mutiple copies of (like Mana crypt) or cards that i am playtesting (Like when i played Nin, the pain artists the day she was spoiled.) If they are a NO PROXY bunch, well then either find alternative cards, buy the real ones or find a different group.
Personally in EDH with no prizes, I don't see the big deal, Its for fun so if someone cannot afford the price tag, let them play with proxies. We had a guy who had decks with 80+ cards were proxied. he uses real cards now but not only was he proxying cards but he was using Time walk in EDH. He didn't know the ban list.
Even then i had no problem with him using proxies since i was pretty bad when i first started playing EDH as well. (About 20 proxies in a deck) (Well maybe not first started, but still early on, third deck, firth deck. Pretty much every deck after my first two ran at least one proxy or another. Now i have one deck with no proxies (Costing 4k+) and one deck with a couple proxies (Costing my guess is about 1k+) Not that it matters it usually wins by turn 3. Turn 1 and 2 are also consitant wins. cEDH is not fun, but I have a deck for when it is needed.
I also try not to proxy cards that I plan on taking out of my EDH / Commander decks If they don't run well while play testing though it can be hard to be honest with your playgroup about that sort of thing. One of my friends runs proxies for Sliver Overlord and Gaea's Cradle which everyone in my playgroup have been okay with thus far.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta