I'm usually down for feedback/commentary, but it'd have to be a subset of mine since some are from other users here... and I'd have to make sure my themes/restrictions/philosophy is well-established in the OPs.
I'm interested in this. And I volunteer any of my active decks posted here for the project. Whether good or constructive feedback I always appreciate a good talk.
Is it fair to say the decks in your signatures are what you'd want involved? If you have anything else in mind, just let me know.
Yeah, we can talk shop about all of them. I suspect Kari Zev gets little traction as its DC, but Traxos I'm most interested in as it's still in it's infancy. Infancy as in, it's still on the initial list, not written down, and still with a ton of room to grow on.
I really need to write that list somewhere..........(maybe Sunday night).
I'll throw Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder into the mix. It's been a pet deck for years. Here's a link to the current iteration in the multiplayer forums, and underneath it, Salvation's deck maker.
I find it hard to give advice on decks that are posted that aren’t formatted without any thought.
When it’s just ‘here’s my deck’ *artifacts, creatures, lands etc*. Feedback would be great’ there’s only so much I can suggest.
I feel they need to be broken down into what each card is doing. I can suggest something that serves dual purpose, or better for a specific job.
Otherwise I just see a wall of cards and can only really suggest the obvious cards and wouldn’t know exactly what to suggest to cut because there might be a combo or Synergy I’m not seeing.
It’s gotta be an archetype I’m interested in too, for instance I’ve really got no experience in building a lands deck or a mono blue spellslinger so there nothing I can really add.
I get that users who aren’t that experienced at formatting would have trouble but it’s just my thoughts
When I was invited back to these forums, I looked forward to sharing my decklists with others here. However, after posting a couple and getting minimal responses, I'm wondering what the point is. I'm proud of my decklists and have spent a fair amount of time tuning these decks, so to take the effort to post it up in the multiplayer decklist forum and receive little to no feedback is disheartening. Are people here just not interested in other folks' decklists or what?
I don't want to sound rude but I looked through your lists and I think they are pretty boring. Your lists are basically just edhrec copypastas. Even your sphinx storm list is just a normal high tide list but instead of draw spells you have sphinxes. I just don't see much point in commenting on lists that are already well known on how they work and what are the best cards.
Damn. You might not have wanted that to sound rude, but you sure did. There were probably ways to say this more tactfully or less pointedly. Not every list is for everyone, just leave it at that without slamming OP.
When I was invited back to these forums, I looked forward to sharing my decklists with others here. However, after posting a couple and getting minimal responses, I'm wondering what the point is. I'm proud of my decklists and have spent a fair amount of time tuning these decks, so to take the effort to post it up in the multiplayer decklist forum and receive little to no feedback is disheartening. Are people here just not interested in other folks' decklists or what?
I agree. I think half of my deck threads received zero responses and get buried tot he 2nd page in under 48 hours. I haven't posted that many. Maybe 10 deck lists over the past 6 years.
I don't want to sound rude but I looked through your lists and I think they are pretty boring. Your lists are basically just edhrec copypastas. Even your sphinx storm list is just a normal high tide list but instead of draw spells you have sphinxes. I just don't see much point in commenting on lists that are already well known on how they work and what are the best cards.
Well, you do sound rude, so maybe work on that.
I have never used EDHREC in my life, not that there's anything wrong with doing so. All of my lists have been built by hand over time. It's fine if they're not your cup of tea, but there's no need to go around calling people boring or accusing them of copying decklists. How I build decks isn't for everyone, but I like to think that I don't just follow the herd even if I do have access to more expensive cards thanks to my long history with the game.
For what it's worth, they don't look like netdecks to me. Not that that's a bad thing even if they were netdecks. Personally I don't get the animosity towards a derived list, EDH is a global community, no deck these days is going to be entirely unique.
You'd have to work very hard and probably counterproductively to brew a list that doesn't resemble others on the net, because commander-oriented legends these days practically come with a deck-list included. I mean, I built my Endrek Sahr from scratch, but it shares about 25% in common with the average Endrek list according to EDHRec, where basics either don't count or don't benefit from multiples because otherwise I should be over 50%, I think. Now, it's a mono black list and it doesn't run any tutors, and it doesn't run Sol Ring and the like. Your mana base is 40% and probably homogenous across the color identity, and after that, just throwing in the obvious cards you picked your commander to play (and odds are, great minds think alike) and well, you'll be lucky to look half-way original if you're willing to sacrifice across the board staples like mana rocks and AAA answers.
Well the nectdeck comment is just asinine. You don't have to netdeck to know good cards in the format, or look at EDHREC. It's always funny to me when people bring up the word "netdeck" because it's usually used in such a poor argument or way of thinking. Netdecking ultimately means finding optimal or good cards and that you're using them, because that's what "netdecks" are: Optimized decks that were came to as a consensus of common knowledge of what a good assembly of cards are for a deck. Every time someone "netdecks" it's a list of cards that were tested and proven. You don't even need the internet to do that if you have a decent amount of exposure or experience in a format to know what you're doing. So really people? Just drop the "netdeck" thing. It's ignorant. Especially in Commander.
When I was invited back to these forums, I looked forward to sharing my decklists with others here. However, after posting a couple and getting minimal responses, I'm wondering what the point is. I'm proud of my decklists and have spent a fair amount of time tuning these decks, so to take the effort to post it up in the multiplayer decklist forum and receive little to no feedback is disheartening. Are people here just not interested in other folks' decklists or what?
I agree. I think half of my deck threads received zero responses and get buried tot he 2nd page in under 48 hours. I haven't posted that many. Maybe 10 deck lists over the past 6 years.
If people are so much more interested in other deck lists that yours is getting buried to Page 2 within 48 hours, that would suggest there's a large difference in interest between your decks and the others that put you on Page 2. So there's either something lacking in the post content or people aren't interested for some reason or another. That's no fault of anyone else's. I'm also not saying it's your fault either, but for what you're claiming to happen there's a reason somewhere because all those other threads bumping you down are getting the feedback y'all are claiming is hard to get.
I think half of my deck threads received zero responses and get buried to the 2nd page in under 48 hours.
Food for thought:
Usually when i see a board member making an interesting/fresh thought i like to stroll to their decklist(s) via their signature. If i can't find them there chances are i won't even bother looking for them.
As far as the subforum goes, if a deck gets beyond the first page it's similiar. Just like google search results, anything on page 2 or further is a lot less likely to see any hits. Right now page 1 goes back ~5 days, so unless people are forwarded to your list from somewhere else (see "signature") it may as well not exist.
I don't want to sound rude but I looked through your lists and I think they are pretty boring. Your lists are basically just edhrec copypastas. Even your sphinx storm list is just a normal high tide list but instead of draw spells you have sphinxes. I just don't see much point in commenting on lists that are already well known on how they work and what are the best cards.
LOL: "It's just like a normal high tide list, except for the 21 sphinxes (literally a third of the non-lands) that aren't in other high tide lists."
Yep, just like a normal High Tide list.
(also, is it possible to have a "normal" high tide list without Palinchron or Cyclonic Rift? Did you even look at the deck list?)
Well the nectdeck comment is just asinine. You don't have to netdeck to know good cards in the format, or look at EDHREC. It's always funny to me when people bring up the word "netdeck" because it's usually used in such a poor argument or way of thinking. Netdecking ultimately means finding optimal or good cards and that you're using them, because that's what "netdecks" are: Optimized decks that were came to as a consensus of common knowledge of what a good assembly of cards are for a deck. Every time someone "netdecks" it's a list of cards that were tested and proven. You don't even need the internet to do that if you have a decent amount of exposure or experience in a format to know what you're doing. So really people? Just drop the "netdeck" thing. It's ignorant. Especially in Commander.
when people complain about netdecking, it's usually because someone copied a decklist whole cloth without understanding it or putting any work into it. It can make more competitive formats like standard somewhat unappealing to brewers when anything they're tinkering with has to stand up to top-tier decks at every round, even from people who spent next to zero time on their list. But thats the unavoidable nature of those formats.
That's why I prefer limited and commander - in limited deckbuulding skill is part of the competition, and in commander even people "netdecking" are usually just copying stuff off edhrec, which tends to follow 75% rather than cEDH building, so brews don't have to compete with top-tier decks constantly. And even the odd cEDH player can be beaten if the table allies against them.
All of my lists have been built by hand over time. It's fine if they're not your cup of tea, but there's no need to go around calling people boring or accusing them of copying decklists. How I build decks isn't for everyone, but I like to think that I don't just follow the herd even if I do have access to more expensive cards thanks to my long history with the game.
Couldn't imagine someone being that rude. Based off what I saw with that Alesha of yours, it's clearly not a c/p job and the thought into it is genuine. It may not be my Alesha, but the direction taken is your own. Sorry the other user's comment rubbed you the wrong way.
I don't want to sound rude but I looked through your lists and I think they are pretty boring. Your lists are basically just edhrec copypastas. Even your sphinx storm list is just a normal high tide list but instead of draw spells you have sphinxes. I just don't see much point in commenting on lists that are already well known on how they work and what are the best cards.
Ignoring the obvious with this comment isn't it a bit hypocritical in a way?
On one hand you're saying that finding the best cards for a deck on EDHREC is wrong but at the same time saying that asking for specific feedback on the deck is pointless because the most optimal cards are well known and already out there... On EDHREC!
The whole point of the forum is to get specific feedback to your deck and see what people suggest, rather than go to a single pool of knowledge and end up with a C/P deck that everyone else is running.
I'd be happy to submit mine too - barring the Vorthos decks I run - there doesn't seem much point there as there's a different metric for inclusion. So, going from my sig, the first 8 are fine, the last 4 excluded.
I don't want to sound rude but I looked through your lists and I think they are pretty boring. Your lists are basically just edhrec copypastas. Even your sphinx storm list is just a normal high tide list but instead of draw spells you have sphinxes. I just don't see much point in commenting on lists that are already well known on how they work and what are the best cards.
Well, you do sound rude, so maybe work on that.
I have never used EDHREC in my life, not that there's anything wrong with doing so. All of my lists have been built by hand over time. It's fine if they're not your cup of tea, but there's no need to go around calling people boring or accusing them of copying decklists. How I build decks isn't for everyone, but I like to think that I don't just follow the herd even if I do have access to more expensive cards thanks to my long history with the game.
I mean you asked why people dont comment your lists and I pointed out that maybe it's because your lists aren't that interesting. If a list resembles something that was copied from edhrec then I think most people know how the deck operates If they know how it operates then what is the point to comment? There is nothing wrong in building and playing "boring" decks. I do it too.
As a somewhat 75%-ish player I always find it hard to post proper feedback. When I do visit here for information or deck ideas the sheer number of well thought out decks is amazing. But being the player I am, I find it hard to contribute constructively to decklist since I still think my knowledge of EDH/Magic while growing but pales in comparison to the frequent posters (I've started during RTR block). So I resort to lurking instead and harvesting the information for myself.
As for my decks they are combination of these forums, tappedout and edhrec and they're in a constant WIP since I do have a budget and can't make it rain magic cards when I please. So I make do with I have and they tend to work fine in my playgroups (albeit being somewhat slow and clunky sometimes).
In short: I think my knowledge and experience are insufficient to contribute with constructive feedback and English is not my native language which makes it somewhat harder and more time consuming to post.
If a list resembles something that was copied from edhrec then I think most people know how the deck operates If they know how it operates then what is the point to comment?
What? That's the opposite of what makes sense. If you know how a deck operates, then wouldn't you be in the best position to give constructive feedback about how to improve it?
Also I don't 100% know what you mean by "copied from EDHrec". If you mean copied from one of the decklists listed for that commander, then while that's a lame way to build a deck, it would presumably be as creative as whoever built it first. And if you mean built by copying the most-played cards for the commander, then in many cases it wouldn't have a clear strategy because it would be using cards from multiple builds haphazardly, like combo pieces from FCT and random value allies in the same deck, so it wouldn't be clear at all "how it operates".
Also I don't 100% know what you mean by "copied from EDHrec". If you mean copied from one of the decklists listed for that commander, then while that's a lame way to build a deck, it would presumably be as creative as whoever built it first. And if you mean built by copying the most-played cards for the commander, then in many cases it wouldn't have a clear strategy because it would be using cards from multiple builds haphazardly, like combo pieces from FCT and random value allies in the same deck, so it wouldn't be clear at all "how it operates".
+1. Not that Dirk and I often have the same train of thought, but like, yeah, unless that card you "copied" is demonic tutour, it's not necessarily going to be obvious why that card made your deck. i.e. I can play Vulturous Aven in Alesha builds and proclaim it the "black mulldrifter", but that doesn't mean anyone in XB should be playing that dang bird, awesome as it is (for me).
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Yeah, we can talk shop about all of them. I suspect Kari Zev gets little traction as its DC, but Traxos I'm most interested in as it's still in it's infancy. Infancy as in, it's still on the initial list, not written down, and still with a ton of room to grow on.
I really need to write that list somewhere..........(maybe Sunday night).
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When it’s just ‘here’s my deck’ *artifacts, creatures, lands etc*. Feedback would be great’ there’s only so much I can suggest.
I feel they need to be broken down into what each card is doing. I can suggest something that serves dual purpose, or better for a specific job.
Otherwise I just see a wall of cards and can only really suggest the obvious cards and wouldn’t know exactly what to suggest to cut because there might be a combo or Synergy I’m not seeing.
It’s gotta be an archetype I’m interested in too, for instance I’ve really got no experience in building a lands deck or a mono blue spellslinger so there nothing I can really add.
I get that users who aren’t that experienced at formatting would have trouble but it’s just my thoughts
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I don't want to sound rude but I looked through your lists and I think they are pretty boring. Your lists are basically just edhrec copypastas. Even your sphinx storm list is just a normal high tide list but instead of draw spells you have sphinxes. I just don't see much point in commenting on lists that are already well known on how they work and what are the best cards.
I agree. I think half of my deck threads received zero responses and get buried tot he 2nd page in under 48 hours. I haven't posted that many. Maybe 10 deck lists over the past 6 years.
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Well, you do sound rude, so maybe work on that.
I have never used EDHREC in my life, not that there's anything wrong with doing so. All of my lists have been built by hand over time. It's fine if they're not your cup of tea, but there's no need to go around calling people boring or accusing them of copying decklists. How I build decks isn't for everyone, but I like to think that I don't just follow the herd even if I do have access to more expensive cards thanks to my long history with the game.
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Oathbreaker: UB Ashiok's Persistent Nightmare UB
If people are so much more interested in other deck lists that yours is getting buried to Page 2 within 48 hours, that would suggest there's a large difference in interest between your decks and the others that put you on Page 2. So there's either something lacking in the post content or people aren't interested for some reason or another. That's no fault of anyone else's. I'm also not saying it's your fault either, but for what you're claiming to happen there's a reason somewhere because all those other threads bumping you down are getting the feedback y'all are claiming is hard to get.
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Usually when i see a board member making an interesting/fresh thought i like to stroll to their decklist(s) via their signature. If i can't find them there chances are i won't even bother looking for them.
As far as the subforum goes, if a deck gets beyond the first page it's similiar. Just like google search results, anything on page 2 or further is a lot less likely to see any hits. Right now page 1 goes back ~5 days, so unless people are forwarded to your list from somewhere else (see "signature") it may as well not exist.
I may be a lazy pleb, though...
LOL: "It's just like a normal high tide list, except for the 21 sphinxes (literally a third of the non-lands) that aren't in other high tide lists."
Yep, just like a normal High Tide list.
(also, is it possible to have a "normal" high tide list without Palinchron or Cyclonic Rift? Did you even look at the deck list?)
That's why I prefer limited and commander - in limited deckbuulding skill is part of the competition, and in commander even people "netdecking" are usually just copying stuff off edhrec, which tends to follow 75% rather than cEDH building, so brews don't have to compete with top-tier decks constantly. And even the odd cEDH player can be beaten if the table allies against them.
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Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Couldn't imagine someone being that rude. Based off what I saw with that Alesha of yours, it's clearly not a c/p job and the thought into it is genuine. It may not be my Alesha, but the direction taken is your own. Sorry the other user's comment rubbed you the wrong way.
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Ignoring the obvious with this comment isn't it a bit hypocritical in a way?
On one hand you're saying that finding the best cards for a deck on EDHREC is wrong but at the same time saying that asking for specific feedback on the deck is pointless because the most optimal cards are well known and already out there... On EDHREC!
The whole point of the forum is to get specific feedback to your deck and see what people suggest, rather than go to a single pool of knowledge and end up with a C/P deck that everyone else is running.
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Melira PodRIP 1/19/15GWHatebearsI mean you asked why people dont comment your lists and I pointed out that maybe it's because your lists aren't that interesting. If a list resembles something that was copied from edhrec then I think most people know how the deck operates If they know how it operates then what is the point to comment? There is nothing wrong in building and playing "boring" decks. I do it too.
As for my decks they are combination of these forums, tappedout and edhrec and they're in a constant WIP since I do have a budget and can't make it rain magic cards when I please. So I make do with I have and they tend to work fine in my playgroups (albeit being somewhat slow and clunky sometimes).
In short: I think my knowledge and experience are insufficient to contribute with constructive feedback and English is not my native language which makes it somewhat harder and more time consuming to post.
Also I don't 100% know what you mean by "copied from EDHrec". If you mean copied from one of the decklists listed for that commander, then while that's a lame way to build a deck, it would presumably be as creative as whoever built it first. And if you mean built by copying the most-played cards for the commander, then in many cases it wouldn't have a clear strategy because it would be using cards from multiple builds haphazardly, like combo pieces from FCT and random value allies in the same deck, so it wouldn't be clear at all "how it operates".
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
+1. Not that Dirk and I often have the same train of thought, but like, yeah, unless that card you "copied" is demonic tutour, it's not necessarily going to be obvious why that card made your deck. i.e. I can play Vulturous Aven in Alesha builds and proclaim it the "black mulldrifter", but that doesn't mean anyone in XB should be playing that dang bird, awesome as it is (for me).
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