I have an Izzet Superfriends deck. I love it. There is no question for me of changing from Izzet. I've built Superfriends in many color combinations, with many different generals. Nothing makes me as happy inside as Will and Rowan.
But I would really like to find some Planeswalker protection in Izzet colors. Is Smoke all I have? Meishin, the Mind Cage? (The cmc on Meishin is really high for protection...)
Propaganda and Crawlspace, for instance, protect only my face, not my 'walkers. Am I just blanking and missing the obvious? Or is Smoke my only hope?
I've run [[Smoke]] before and have come up with disappointing results. A lot of the time, all it takes is one untapped creature to kill you in a format so populated by Voltron variants.
And, umm, I have a Tabernacle. Got it years ago when I was building up my collection of legendary cards. I wouldn't buy it now, but since I have it, I'm glad to have a deck to run it in!
And yes, Dudemichael, it is usually just creatures that get my Planeswalkers. Once in a while, there's a Hero's Downfall or Woodfall Primus, but usually they just get attacked a bunch.
Had a look at your list. Definetely will need some more creature removal. You have a very high count of 19 planeswalkers, for not actually being able to protect them consistently. So you run into this situation of getting stuck with them in hand.
I think the weakest cards in the deck are; Inexorable Tide, Time Stop, Jace, Unraveler of Secrets.
I played Inexorable Tide in my Will & Rowan deck and it's just way too slow to be consistently good. You honestly need to support it by playing lots of cantrip type cards as well. Taking a turn off to cast it (which is what realistically you're doing), just puts you too far behind.
These would be the better creature removal cards to play; Chain Reaction, Evacuation, Starstorm. Instant speed removal is the best as it means you have a turn off being able to get traction with some walkers.
I'm thinking that cutting Jace, Unraveler of Secrets might help (though sometimes people will attack him in preference to any other 'walker, since they fear his ultimate so much). I have a spare Whir of Invention lying around, and I might try to put that in. Chain Reaction and Starstorm sound good.
I may have to trim down the 'walkers...
As for the Tabernacle, I just had it, so I put it in. Generally, it does get hated off the board, but it buys me a little time, which is often all I need.
Crucible of Worlds with Sunstone and/or Glacial Crevasses with snow lands can help too. Preferably not every turn but it can help save you one or two turns in order to get to an emblem.
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Crucible of Worlds with Sunstone and/or Glacial Crevasses with snow lands can help too. Preferably not every turn but it can help save you one or two turns in order to get to an emblem.
Well, I have the Sunstone and Glacial Crevasses and the snow mountains. I'd have to get the snow islands. I could probably scrounge a Crucible from another deck...
I'll test out the new version first, though, as I prefer the lands-matter decks to have that kind of package.
But I would really like to find some Planeswalker protection in Izzet colors. Is Smoke all I have? Meishin, the Mind Cage? (The cmc on Meishin is really high for protection...)
Propaganda and Crawlspace, for instance, protect only my face, not my 'walkers. Am I just blanking and missing the obvious? Or is Smoke my only hope?
Smoke is something I haven't thought about before..hmmm, I think I'm going to try it
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I'm already running Jokulhaups, Obliterate, Cyclonic Rift, and Reins of Power. I really like the idea of Illusionist's Gambit and Evacuation.
Is it bad form to post a link to the deck in this forum?
Also, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale is good, right?
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale is $3,000, so yeah it's good, but you could also take a trip anywhere in the world instead, lol.
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And, umm, I have a Tabernacle. Got it years ago when I was building up my collection of legendary cards. I wouldn't buy it now, but since I have it, I'm glad to have a deck to run it in!
And yes, Dudemichael, it is usually just creatures that get my Planeswalkers. Once in a while, there's a Hero's Downfall or Woodfall Primus, but usually they just get attacked a bunch.
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I think the weakest cards in the deck are; Inexorable Tide, Time Stop, Jace, Unraveler of Secrets.
I played Inexorable Tide in my Will & Rowan deck and it's just way too slow to be consistently good. You honestly need to support it by playing lots of cantrip type cards as well. Taking a turn off to cast it (which is what realistically you're doing), just puts you too far behind.
These would be the better creature removal cards to play; Chain Reaction, Evacuation, Starstorm. Instant speed removal is the best as it means you have a turn off being able to get traction with some walkers.
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Evacuation is nice. Loop it with Archaeomancer.
I'm surprised you don't play Whir of Invention to grab the Chain Veil.
Aetherize and Aetherspouts are narrow options too. Just deal with one opponent though.
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Meekstone slows large creatures, and Aether Flash stops small ones.
Disrupt Decorum sends them elsewhere for a round, increasing death and damage, just not at you or your walkers.
Aetherize, Aetherspouts, and Reins of Powercan be effective.
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I love the "it's worth 3K so it has to be good" comment. It's good in legacy. Juzam djinn is expensive too and it blows.
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I may have to trim down the 'walkers...
As for the Tabernacle, I just had it, so I put it in. Generally, it does get hated off the board, but it buys me a little time, which is often all I need.
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volcanic fallout - cheap to cast if you're getting swarmed by smaller creatures
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silent arbiter - previously mentioned
Pyrohemia could be an option.
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I'll test out the new version first, though, as I prefer the lands-matter decks to have that kind of package.