Have you ever have friendship REALLY broken over EDH? A lot of generals/decks claim that if you play them, you risk breaking friendship. Have that ever REALLY happen to you, not just exaggerating?
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Salt is part of the game. Deal with it.
Are we talking fully blown Edric, Spymaster of Trest extra turns and the likes vs really casual decks aka usual blkh problems ... again?
I think is being sincere this time.
Arcum and nin sort of did that, but that was due to lucky draws of having sol ring opening hand or first dranw 80% of my games. (But when you were able to partial paris, games got easy) and both decks went infinite eansily. With arcum games went from FFA to 3 vs Me, and Nin was just tough to deal with once i was set up.
But afterwards, friendships were mended. (Even if i was actually told no to a few games when i played arcum.)
If your friends are really willing to part ways based on a game, you're either being a true a-hole or they're not true friends. It's just a game, and you should be able to say 'this deck sucks to play against, please don't bring it again'.
DOes fist fight ever happened n your LGS over a game of EDH?
lol, this saga just got a lot darker.
I think when people say that about decks, it’s more along the lines of making it less likely that you’ll make new friends than that you’ll actually lose established ones.
OT: I never lost a friend over a deck (yet). But there are a few players I know that might end up avoiding others because of a vast difference in tempers and character. One of my closest friends is rather easily offended and I noticed him having problems keeping his cool against provocative and passive-aggressive opponents. If he were to play them in nearly every pod he's in, i'm sure he'd either get into arguments a lot or refuse to join the same games. I'm a calm and observant player though, so I can't see myself get seriously emotionally involved nor can I see anyone get triggered so heavily by my behavior that he or she might avoid me for good.
That being said i still can't wrap my head around when a few years ago one of our playgroup stopped playing with us and quickly lost contact with everyone else - being a loose but year long friend with most of us before the split. He argued that me and another player were targeting him and that he felt that there was non-verbal tension between us. Sentiments that neither of us two nor anyone else shared. To this day the situation puzzles everyone who's been around for that long and from what we could tell he had private problems at the time. In hindsight we hope his situation did impact his feelings towards the bunch in some way and that we didn't miss signals of an underlying problem that scared him away.
DOes fist fight ever happened n your LGS over a game of EDH?
I can't think of a MTG-situation that would make me want to physically harm anyone. In fact the only reason for me to resolve any situation by force would be self-defence.
Could be a cultural thing though. From what I can observe in my circle of friends e.g. scandinavians only very rarely loose their temper, while british people often tell me about a culture of confrontations and fights in the U.K. If I remember correctly blkh is asian dunno if that changes anything, but if fights are more/less common than somewhere else in the world that would change perspective on a fist fight in any context.
ps. I know there's chessboxing, so maybe we should invent MTG-bareknuckleboxing?
Yeah, I've actually seen this happen, believe it or not. It was five way game between some friends and me. The decks, IIRC: Jeleva, Ezuri, Oloro, Aurelia and Animar.
I was the first to die because if they didn't kill me, I'd have won via combo. So, with me taken out, the rest of the group started looking at each other. Eventually, the Jeleva player was able to recur/steal a bunch of creatures. He asked started asking around for life totals, even after everyone at the table had already given them like a turn before. He then asked the Ezuri player what his life total was, though he guessed it was like around 14. The Ezuri player sarcastically said "Yeah, 14.". However, he also pointed to his life total which said 3 and even held up his phone to the entire table with a big 3 on the screen. This also doesn't account for the fact the it was the Jeleva player who took his life total down from 14-21 to 3.
But, the Jeleva player wasn't really paying attention, too busy doing victory dances and having his head in the clouds because it really looked like he was going to win. So, based on that lack of attentiveness, he attacked the Ezuri player with most of his field. Ezuri player takes it like champ. But then the Jeleva player notices he'd the mistake. He gets mad at the Ezuri player, saying he lied. This causes a commotion at the table with the rest of us telling the Jeleva player that he it was his fault for not paying attention. Sure, Ezuri said 14 but he was being obviously sarcastic and had physically pointed out/shown his life total when he said it. Shoot, even I'd had seen it and I had been on my laptop and taking peeks at how the game was going.
Thankfully, the game got going again. Oloro was knocked out next and so it was down to the Aurelia player and the Jeleva player. The Jeleva copies Aurelia and attacks, bring down the Aurelia player down to 5 life, getting another combat step and untapping his creatures. However, he makes the mistake of opting to recast Jeleva, who died some time ago. Hence, he skipped over the extra combat phase and goes right to his second main phase. When he goes to attack, the rest of us step in and remind of him of this. Oh, he was mad and was forced end his turn. The Aurelia player was able to get enough damage to kill him.
Guess what happened next? The Jeleva player blamed the Ezuri player, saying that if he'd (the Ezuri player) had told him (Jeleva player) his life total straight up instead of being sarcastic, he would have had more to throw at the Aurelia player and could have won. He completely ignored that that misunderstanding was his own fault and had no bearing on when he messed up his extra combat step against the Aurelia player.
Days after this the Jeleva player kept calling the Ezuri player a cheat and liar and going on about how that cost him his win. The two had had a good thing going on the entire year we were in college and then it was ruined because one of them got petty over MTG, which had done nothing but bring us laughs and smiles for almost 2 years.
This incident still boggles my mind to this day...
This incident still boggles my mind to this day...
I mean yeah, the King of Salt shouldn't have made such a big deal out of it but... no one let him take back his attack after he realized the error? Sure, dude may have been acting like a tool and being inattentive but punishing him for a misunderstanding of public information in a casual game is pretty lame.
That said I wouldn't have let him walk back the Jeleva misplay due to her ability revealing new information, but meh.
EDIT: On topic, no, I haven't lost any friends over EDH because I am not a savage.
OT: I never lost a friend over a deck (yet). But there are a few players I know that might end up avoiding others because of a vast difference in tempers and character.
I'll be honest, there are people I avoid playing with.
-They will bring a fast combo deck to a casual game...and dislike matching power levels.
-If I pull out something to try and counter it so we all can play magic, him and I are just slugging it out while the other two spin their thumbs.
-The duos will always play secret alliance and one of them will concede when it is just them two.
-Really annoying constant beat-boxing or shouting stuff over and over again (like yelling out AS FORETOLD whenever they use it)
There are no [set] play groups, no one knows each other personally (except some of the 2-ofs), and it's once a week for a few hours.
This incident still boggles my mind to this day...
I mean yeah, the King of Salt shouldn't have made such a big deal out of it but... no one let him take back his attack after he realized the error? Sure, dude may have been acting like a tool and being inattentive but punishing him for a misunderstanding of public information in a casual game is pretty lame.
Normally, despite being on the competitive side, we tend to be forgiving. Board states get complicated and lots of information starts flying around. It was a misunderstanding and we would have let him take it back. However, the Jeleva player's first instinct was not admit his lack of attention or acknowledge his mistake and ask if he can redo it but to verbally attack the Ezuri player. The Ezuri player acknowledged that his comment was ill-timed but the guy just kept going on about it.
It didn't help that the Jeleva player has constantly demonstrated in past games to ignore crucial information even when told directly to him. We had let him take back errors like that in the past without much fuss or hesitation. Everyone makes mistakes. We all have those moments.
But the Jeleva player blew his stack and was starting to rant. He basically dropped any pretense of sportsmanlike behavior and the group wasn't having it. There was no basis for that kind of attitude, especially when we let him take back mistakes in the past.
He wasn't punished because of a mistake but because he decided to throw a tantrum about it.
Personally, I had never fought with my best friend whom I always play with over MtG. My LGS is also big and diverse that my game is usually with different players, switches several times a night, so no one gets to terrorize any single group for long, and if they see a brilliant combo we all pay respect (as in, not as simple as Power Artifact infinite mana).
If you sit down with a bunch of other nerds, who are supposedly friends, to play pretend wizard duel by throwing paper on a table and at any point you think an appropriate thing to do about something you dislike is throw a punch then you haven't just lost the plot you never had it in the first place.
As was said above, salt is part of the game. Hell my friends and I got into a pretty heated argument about a habit I had in game but a week later we still got together, played, joked, and had a good old time. Because we're ******* adults who understand that this game is not as important as the friendships it helps to foster.
OT: I never lost a friend over a deck (yet). But there are a few players I know that might end up avoiding others because of a vast difference in tempers and character. One of my closest friends is rather easily offended and I noticed him having problems keeping his cool against provocative and passive-aggressive opponents. If he were to play them in nearly every pod he's in, i'm sure he'd either get into arguments a lot or refuse to join the same games. I'm a calm and observant player though, so I can't see myself get seriously emotionally involved nor can I see anyone get triggered so heavily by my behavior that he or she might avoid me for good.
That being said i still can't wrap my head around when a few years ago one of our playgroup stopped playing with us and quickly lost contact with everyone else - being a loose but year long friend with most of us before the split. He argued that me and another player were targeting him and that he felt that there was non-verbal tension between us. Sentiments that neither of us two nor anyone else shared. To this day the situation puzzles everyone who's been around for that long and from what we could tell he had private problems at the time. In hindsight we hope his situation did impact his feelings towards the bunch in some way and that we didn't miss signals of an underlying problem that scared him away.
DOes fist fight ever happened n your LGS over a game of EDH?
I can't think of a MTG-situation that would make me want to physically harm anyone. In fact the only reason for me to resolve any situation by force would be self-defence.
Could be a cultural thing though. From what I can observe in my circle of friends e.g. scandinavians only very rarely loose their temper, while british people often tell me about a culture of confrontations and fights in the U.K. If I remember correctly blkh is asian dunno if that changes anything, but if fights are more/less common than somewhere else in the world that would change perspective on a fist fight in any context.
ps. I know there's chessboxing, so maybe we should invent MTG-bareknuckleboxing?
I could easily see someone getting their ass beat for theft. If someone tried to run off with my backpack or binder, I'd chase them down, and I'm not even a violent person (I wouldn't beat their ass though, just try to stop them from getting away, but I know a lot of people would get violent).
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Salt is part of the game. Deal with it.
Salt is part of the game. Deal with it.
I think is being sincere this time.
Arcum and nin sort of did that, but that was due to lucky draws of having sol ring opening hand or first dranw 80% of my games. (But when you were able to partial paris, games got easy) and both decks went infinite eansily. With arcum games went from FFA to 3 vs Me, and Nin was just tough to deal with once i was set up.
But afterwards, friendships were mended. (Even if i was actually told no to a few games when i played arcum.)
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Salt is part of the game. Deal with it.
I think when people say that about decks, it’s more along the lines of making it less likely that you’ll make new friends than that you’ll actually lose established ones.
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That being said i still can't wrap my head around when a few years ago one of our playgroup stopped playing with us and quickly lost contact with everyone else - being a loose but year long friend with most of us before the split. He argued that me and another player were targeting him and that he felt that there was non-verbal tension between us. Sentiments that neither of us two nor anyone else shared. To this day the situation puzzles everyone who's been around for that long and from what we could tell he had private problems at the time. In hindsight we hope his situation did impact his feelings towards the bunch in some way and that we didn't miss signals of an underlying problem that scared him away. Okay. Mind giving us more details? It would be interesting to know the turn of events I'll remain sceptic, but the question is quite entertaining actually.
I can't think of a MTG-situation that would make me want to physically harm anyone. In fact the only reason for me to resolve any situation by force would be self-defence.
Could be a cultural thing though. From what I can observe in my circle of friends e.g. scandinavians only very rarely loose their temper, while british people often tell me about a culture of confrontations and fights in the U.K. If I remember correctly blkh is asian dunno if that changes anything, but if fights are more/less common than somewhere else in the world that would change perspective on a fist fight in any context.
ps. I know there's chessboxing, so maybe we should invent MTG-bareknuckleboxing?
I was the first to die because if they didn't kill me, I'd have won via combo. So, with me taken out, the rest of the group started looking at each other. Eventually, the Jeleva player was able to recur/steal a bunch of creatures. He asked started asking around for life totals, even after everyone at the table had already given them like a turn before. He then asked the Ezuri player what his life total was, though he guessed it was like around 14. The Ezuri player sarcastically said "Yeah, 14.". However, he also pointed to his life total which said 3 and even held up his phone to the entire table with a big 3 on the screen. This also doesn't account for the fact the it was the Jeleva player who took his life total down from 14-21 to 3.
But, the Jeleva player wasn't really paying attention, too busy doing victory dances and having his head in the clouds because it really looked like he was going to win. So, based on that lack of attentiveness, he attacked the Ezuri player with most of his field. Ezuri player takes it like champ. But then the Jeleva player notices he'd the mistake. He gets mad at the Ezuri player, saying he lied. This causes a commotion at the table with the rest of us telling the Jeleva player that he it was his fault for not paying attention. Sure, Ezuri said 14 but he was being obviously sarcastic and had physically pointed out/shown his life total when he said it. Shoot, even I'd had seen it and I had been on my laptop and taking peeks at how the game was going.
Thankfully, the game got going again. Oloro was knocked out next and so it was down to the Aurelia player and the Jeleva player. The Jeleva copies Aurelia and attacks, bring down the Aurelia player down to 5 life, getting another combat step and untapping his creatures. However, he makes the mistake of opting to recast Jeleva, who died some time ago. Hence, he skipped over the extra combat phase and goes right to his second main phase. When he goes to attack, the rest of us step in and remind of him of this. Oh, he was mad and was forced end his turn. The Aurelia player was able to get enough damage to kill him.
Guess what happened next? The Jeleva player blamed the Ezuri player, saying that if he'd (the Ezuri player) had told him (Jeleva player) his life total straight up instead of being sarcastic, he would have had more to throw at the Aurelia player and could have won. He completely ignored that that misunderstanding was his own fault and had no bearing on when he messed up his extra combat step against the Aurelia player.
Days after this the Jeleva player kept calling the Ezuri player a cheat and liar and going on about how that cost him his win. The two had had a good thing going on the entire year we were in college and then it was ruined because one of them got petty over MTG, which had done nothing but bring us laughs and smiles for almost 2 years.
This incident still boggles my mind to this day...
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That said I wouldn't have let him walk back the Jeleva misplay due to her ability revealing new information, but meh.
EDIT: On topic, no, I haven't lost any friends over EDH because I am not a savage.
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HONK HONK
I'll be honest, there are people I avoid playing with.
-They will bring a fast combo deck to a casual game...and dislike matching power levels.
-If I pull out something to try and counter it so we all can play magic, him and I are just slugging it out while the other two spin their thumbs.
-The duos will always play secret alliance and one of them will concede when it is just them two.
-Really annoying constant beat-boxing or shouting stuff over and over again (like yelling out AS FORETOLD whenever they use it)
There are no [set] play groups, no one knows each other personally (except some of the 2-ofs), and it's once a week for a few hours.
I buy HP and Damaged cards!
Only EDH:
Sigarda, Host of Herons: Enchantress' Enchantments
Jenara, Asura of War: ETB Value Town
Purphoros, God of the Forge: Global Punishment
Xenagos, God of Revels: Ramp, Sneak, & Heavy Hitters
Ghave, Guru of Spores: Dies_to_Doom_Blade's stax list
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list
Normally, despite being on the competitive side, we tend to be forgiving. Board states get complicated and lots of information starts flying around. It was a misunderstanding and we would have let him take it back. However, the Jeleva player's first instinct was not admit his lack of attention or acknowledge his mistake and ask if he can redo it but to verbally attack the Ezuri player. The Ezuri player acknowledged that his comment was ill-timed but the guy just kept going on about it.
It didn't help that the Jeleva player has constantly demonstrated in past games to ignore crucial information even when told directly to him. We had let him take back errors like that in the past without much fuss or hesitation. Everyone makes mistakes. We all have those moments.
But the Jeleva player blew his stack and was starting to rant. He basically dropped any pretense of sportsmanlike behavior and the group wasn't having it. There was no basis for that kind of attitude, especially when we let him take back mistakes in the past.
He wasn't punished because of a mistake but because he decided to throw a tantrum about it.
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Wait, what? Where do you play? I wish I had that problem. Instead I have to deal with nerd chortling and the constant fwip fwip of card flicking.
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Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
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As was said above, salt is part of the game. Hell my friends and I got into a pretty heated argument about a habit I had in game but a week later we still got together, played, joked, and had a good old time. Because we're ******* adults who understand that this game is not as important as the friendships it helps to foster.
I could easily see someone getting their ass beat for theft. If someone tried to run off with my backpack or binder, I'd chase them down, and I'm not even a violent person (I wouldn't beat their ass though, just try to stop them from getting away, but I know a lot of people would get violent).
Onering's 4 simple steps that let you solve any problem with Magic's gameplay
Step 1: Identify the problem. What aspect of Magic don't you like? Step 2: Find out how others deal with the problem. How do players deal with this aspect of the game when they run into it? Step 3: Do what those players do. Step 4: No more problem. Bonus: You are now better at Magic. Enjoy those extra wins!