Pretty nice modal spell. Earthquake and Rolling Earthquake are going to be losing their abilities to hit Planeswalkers pretty soon, so this might just become better than those in any deck that would already run Shatterstorm.
Shape Anew
Easy to imagine flipping a mana rock into something immense, more difficult in practice.
You could run this in Sen Triplets or Memnarch with only 1 artifact in the deck to guarantee getting it, but that seems like you're spending a lot of opportunity cost. Grabbing Mox Lotus with Memnarch at the helm would be cute in Un-land, but only the first time it happened.
Otherwise I'd only ever consider using it on something like Blightsteel Colossus in hopes they get a mana rock in return, but that's too niche a use for me to run it.
its not too bad. there are tonnes of artifact-token creators. i think recently, investigate tokens, and those other lotus petal token makers are a thing. then, just avoid artifact-mana in your deck, and presto. cheaty blightsteel colossus or something
Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
Can be determined if they only have one creature. Can be used politically. Otherwise, you're probably not getting very powerful hits off this for the mana cost.
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Can be determined if they only have one creature. Can be used politically. Otherwise, you're probably not getting very powerful hits off this for the mana cost.
There's a few things that make this suck more than it could. The cost of activation, the tap, the CMC, the fact that the opponent chooses, and the fact that it exiles. I like the effect, but I like it more on Minion Reflector.
Echo Chamber
Can be determined if they only have one creature. Can be used politically. Otherwise, you're probably not getting very powerful hits off this for the mana cost.
This would be really quite good without the 4 part of the activation, but as written I don't see much use for it outside of collusion ("Give me a copy of your big dude and I'll kill player #3"), and it's not even a great example of that since you're paying 8 mana total for it to do anything at all.
Can be determined if they only have one creature. Can be used politically. Otherwise, you're probably not getting very powerful hits off this for the mana cost.
Can be determined if they only have one creature. Can be used politically. Otherwise, you're probably not getting very powerful hits off this for the mana cost.
It's an interesting card at least. Not a whole lotta ways to copy a critter every turn. Depending on what you get, its either a good value for 4 or overcosted. A very political card, use opponents etb dudes to deal with other opponents threats. Still weak though, I don't like effects that I can't plan for.
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Can be determined if they only have one creature. Can be used politically. Otherwise, you're probably not getting very powerful hits off this for the mana cost.
This is a card that hasn't aged well. You'd have to be pretty darn desperate to get whatever creature you'd get from this in most situations.
Remember the old Legend rules?
After the Legend rule changed (2014?), it became a nice, repeatable, boomerang if the opponent had just a commander in play. Under these old rules, Echo would've been nuts with cards like Leyline of Singularity.
After the last Legend rule change, the card pretty much lost whatever teeth it had left. Maybe it'll be interesting again with a new Legend rule update.
3 mana rocks that tap for 1 aren't particularly good (Coalition Relic, Commander's Sphere and maybe Chromatic Lantern in 4-5c decks are the only exceptions I can think of). Stapling a gimmick onto it doesn't change this.
There's some political mileage here, but not enough to see play compared to other rocks outside of decks looking for aa many political cards as they can get their hands on. Losing mana burn hurt this card. When it was printed, it was neat that it ramped you when you needed ramp or fixing, then dinged opponents whenever you didn't need the mana. Can't prevent the mana burn without a way to spend it, and it doesn't target.
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Onering's 4 simple steps that let you solve any problem with Magic's gameplay
Whether its blue players countering your spells, red players burning you out, or combo, if you have a problem with an aspect of Magic's gameplay, you can fix it!
Step 1: Identify the problem. What aspect of Magic don't you like? Step 2: Find out how others deal with the problem. How do players deal with this aspect of the game when they run into it? Step 3: Do what those players do. Step 4: No more problem. Bonus: You are now better at Magic. Enjoy those extra wins!
Sadly, the primary point of this card's gimmick died along with Mana Burn. (RIP Mana Burn)
It's usable as a super-budget 3 mana rock if you need one, but I don't think I've ever thrown one into one of my decks. It's certainly not awful, there are just enough 2 rocks in the format that the gimmick on one that costs more better be pretty relevant.
A card that was better pre-mana-burn but never great; 1 damage wasn't super meaningful either. As others have said the bar for a 3CMC mana rock that only makes 1 mana is pretty high nowadays. At the dawn of EDH, before we had our Chromatic Lanterns and Commander's Spheres, this was borderline acceptable in some niche lists although still generally worse than Darksteel Ingot and Coalition Relic (not to mention the Signets and Talismans and Prismatic Lens and Coldsteel Heart and Wayfarer's Bauble). Nowadays, it itself is a relic and I can't imagine playing it even in the most political of decks.
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Sadly, the primary point of this card's gimmick died along with Mana Burn. (RIP Mana Burn)
It's usable as a super-budget 3 mana rock if you need one, but I don't think I've ever thrown one into one of my decks. It's certainly not awful, there are just enough 2 rocks in the format that the gimmick on one that costs more better be pretty relevant.
Fair point, as I hadn't realized that Lantern is up to $16 and Relic is holding at $6 even post-A25 release. On a budget though, (an extreme, "even Darksteel Ingot is gonna break my bank" budget), I think this is near-strictly worse than Cultivator's Caravan and Vessel of Endless Rest as far as 3CMC rocks that make colored mana go. It's a bit obscure and old even with a Conspiracy reprint, and I'd fault no one for using Manalith over it. Also , in most 3-color or 2-color decks, Banners and Cluestones will be better.
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3 mana rocks that tap for 1 aren't particularly good (Coalition Relic, Commander's Sphere and maybe Chromatic Lantern in 4-5c decks are the only exceptions I can think of). Stapling a gimmick onto it doesn't change this.
I suppose this one has political value, like if you know one opponent has a Wrath (e.g., because of Gitaxian Probe), but only has three mana available, and there's some threat which, left unanswered, will end the game. Very corner-case, though.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
(U/B)(U/B)(U/B) JUMP IN THE LINE, ROCK YOUR BODY IN TIME
(R/W)(R/W)(R/W) RISING FROM THE NEON GLOOM, SHINING LIKE A CRAZY MOON
(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'
Easy to imagine flipping a mana rock into something immense, more difficult in practice.
You could run this in Sen Triplets or Memnarch with only 1 artifact in the deck to guarantee getting it, but that seems like you're spending a lot of opportunity cost. Grabbing Mox Lotus with Memnarch at the helm would be cute in Un-land, but only the first time it happened.
Otherwise I'd only ever consider using it on something like Blightsteel Colossus in hopes they get a mana rock in return, but that's too niche a use for me to run it.
Legacy - Solidarity - mono U aggro - burn - Imperial Painter - Strawberry Shortcake - Bluuzards - bom
(U/B)(U/B)(U/B) JUMP IN THE LINE, ROCK YOUR BODY IN TIME
(R/W)(R/W)(R/W) RISING FROM THE NEON GLOOM, SHINING LIKE A CRAZY MOON
(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'
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Can be determined if they only have one creature. Can be used politically. Otherwise, you're probably not getting very powerful hits off this for the mana cost.
There's a few things that make this suck more than it could. The cost of activation, the tap, the CMC, the fact that the opponent chooses, and the fact that it exiles. I like the effect, but I like it more on Minion Reflector.
This would be really quite good without the 4 part of the activation, but as written I don't see much use for it outside of collusion ("Give me a copy of your big dude and I'll kill player #3"), and it's not even a great example of that since you're paying 8 mana total for it to do anything at all.
One shot kill against a single Phage the Untouchable?
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Kills yourself.
It's an interesting card at least. Not a whole lotta ways to copy a critter every turn. Depending on what you get, its either a good value for 4 or overcosted. A very political card, use opponents etb dudes to deal with other opponents threats. Still weak though, I don't like effects that I can't plan for.
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That would be suicide.
Lol, I thought your opponent gets that token, my mistake
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To the ultimate failure of society, yes.
I prefer Mimic Vat to this card.
This is a card that hasn't aged well. You'd have to be pretty darn desperate to get whatever creature you'd get from this in most situations.
Remember the old Legend rules?
After the Legend rule changed (2014?), it became a nice, repeatable, boomerang if the opponent had just a commander in play. Under these old rules, Echo would've been nuts with cards like Leyline of Singularity.
After the last Legend rule change, the card pretty much lost whatever teeth it had left. Maybe it'll be interesting again with a new Legend rule update.
Continuing this weeks accidental theme of choosing target player to do something.
Edit: Trivia fact of the day, this does not have a mana ability.
This is a pretty funny card. Idk that it's great, but it's definitely amusing for the politically-minded.
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It's usable as a super-budget 3 mana rock if you need one, but I don't think I've ever thrown one into one of my decks. It's certainly not awful, there are just enough 2 rocks in the format that the gimmick on one that costs more better be pretty relevant.
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It's always an ability that's used the stack to resolve, at least on mtgo.
Fair point, as I hadn't realized that Lantern is up to $16 and Relic is holding at $6 even post-A25 release. On a budget though, (an extreme, "even Darksteel Ingot is gonna break my bank" budget), I think this is near-strictly worse than Cultivator's Caravan and Vessel of Endless Rest as far as 3CMC rocks that make colored mana go. It's a bit obscure and old even with a Conspiracy reprint, and I'd fault no one for using Manalith over it. Also , in most 3-color or 2-color decks, Banners and Cluestones will be better.
RCRDaretti: Superfriends Forever RCR
WGBDoran: Ent-mootWBG
GGGMultani: Group Bear HugGGG
GB(B/G)The Gitrog Monster: Dredgefall DurdleGB(B/G)
RGWGahiji, the Honored Group Hug MonsterRGW
UB(U/B)Yuriko, Ninja Trinket AggroUB(U/B)
WUBRGAtogatog: Assembling a OHKOWUBRG
Darksteel Ingot has some value: It gets around most common boardwipes. (There are some exceptions like Cataclysm and Merciless Eviction, of course.)
I suppose this one has political value, like if you know one opponent has a Wrath (e.g., because of Gitaxian Probe), but only has three mana available, and there's some threat which, left unanswered, will end the game. Very corner-case, though.
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