I'm a little confused on which numbers count for the Baron. Is there an official ruling somewhere? Specifically:
PW Loyalty?
PW Activation Costs?
Numbers in Reminder Text?
Numbers in Flavor Text?
Numbers in old cards which are not present in reprints (Mana Vault)?
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faytlerror asked: Un-Rules question: does Baron von Count trigger based off of oracle text or written text? For example, would Sol Ring count for the number 2 if you used a printing of it from before Oath of the Gatewatch introduced the colorless symbol?
For number purposes, he looks at what’s actually written on the card.
If you don't mind playing foreign cards, Japanese cards actually translate English number words or articles (e.g. one, two, three, a, an) and the word 'target' into numerals. Here are some cards that would include all five numerals in the text box in Japanese version.
According to the rulings about watermarks, the effect should consider what is actually printed on the cards. So, it should work?
Wow, thats pretty wild. I mean we have been told that you can take exactly what is off the card, even if its been erata, so if it has the Japanese numerals then yes would be the answer, you should be able to use them. I have left a question of Mark Rosewater Q+A about this, but I can't see it being a problem. Nice finds. I'll also start looking out for when cards have the words, because this has a knock back effect with obviously Japanese cards. The plot thickens.
Hey, I know y'all are looking at Baron as a commander, but I did want to mention that, in a differently-colored deck, By Gnome Means, and arguably Ambiguity (ironically, it's unclear) allow you to put multiple doom counters on the Baron. Now, there's no ruling on whether you can immediately drop them on the '1' position, but as far as I'm aware there's also no rules saying you can't put counters anywhere you like on a card, assuming it doesn't say otherwise.
Someone should ask Maro, but the important point is: one of the versions of Everythingamajig and Giant Fan both should let you put multiple doom counters on Baron von Count.
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If you don't mind playing foreign cards, Japanese cards actually translate English number words or articles (e.g. one, two, three, a, an) and the word 'target' into numerals. Here are some cards that would include all five numerals in the text box in Japanese version.
According to the rulings about watermarks, the effect should consider what is actually printed on the cards. So, it should work?
I found this today, from Mark Rosewater, which isn't the direct question, but does actual answer whether you can use the Japanese cards for extra numerals, and the answer is yes. (sorry had to put *** instead of the Japanese words as mtgsalvation doesn't have functionality for it)
piogre asked: You've said that you can't change "Draw a card" to "Draw two cards" with More or Less, because "a" isn't a number word. However, the Japanese translation of "Draw a card", which appears on cards that make you draw a card, is ***, and you'll notice there's a numeral 1 in there. If you change that 1 to a 2, *** means "Draw two cards" -- so can I change *** on a Japanese-printed card to *** using More or Less?
If you have a version that uses a number yes, you can do that, but you have to actually have that version of the card.
Hey, I know y'all are looking at Baron as a commander, but I did want to mention that, in a differently-colored deck, By Gnome Means, and arguably Ambiguity (ironically, it's unclear) allow you to put multiple doom counters on the Baron. Now, there's no ruling on whether you can immediately drop them on the '1' position, but as far as I'm aware there's also no rules saying you can't put counters anywhere you like on a card, assuming it doesn't say otherwise.
Someone should ask Maro, but the important point is: one of the versions of Everythingamajig and Giant Fan both should let you put multiple doom counters on Baron von Count.
Maro has stated a couple times that proliferating/adding doom counters to Baron Von Count doesn't allow you to place them in the art. They're simply extraneous doom counters on the Baron.
"It is better for all the world if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes... Three generations of imbeciles are enough."
--Buck v Bell, 1927. This case, regarding the compulsory sterilization of inmates at mental institutions, has -- somehow -- never been overturned. Just a wee PSA for ya.
Have any of you had any luck with him yet? I find cards that trigger him to easy to find and cast but without the count the just tend to be jank in its pure form.
I'm kind of surprised no one has talked about Blast From the Past or Disturbed Burial in this topic yet. Blast is every number but 5 and has buyback (albeit a bit expensive, but worth it in here) and burial hits a couple numbers and recurs your creatures to recast them for further triggers. They just seem like they'd be auto-includes for me.
Here is my deck on tappedout.net http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/count-from-5-1/. It's got a lot of information in the description, but I'll add it here for ease of reading. I did make a cool excel sheet to make counting numbers in the deck easier for myself.
Get the Baron out and count from 5 as fast as possible while protecting him.
Main combos:
Strionic Resonator can do 2 things. It can either kill 2 people when procing Baron Von Count from "1" to "0". Or it can make the Baron count faster if the single card played has the next 2 numerals on the card. (for example if I played Nirkana Cutthroat with the Baron at #5 & activated the Resonator, since Nirkana has 5 and 4 on the card it would put the Baron's count at #3.)
Cards with Buyback & Dash allow for them to be cast multiple times (for example Screamreach Brawler gives 1,2,3 for multiple turns. Or Shattering Pulse allows for multiple artifact destruction for 1,3).
There are 2 cards that have specific printings so that they have more numerals on them: Greed from 4th Edition and Sol Ring from Commander 2015 or before. (I did not look at Japanese cards, but they typically replace spelled out numbers like "one" or "two" with their numeral counterparts "1", or "2" which opens up a lot more cards that are useful to the Baron).
Scrying is very useful to try and get the next numeral as well as multiple draws. Phyrexian Arena would be a good card even through it only has 1 numeral, but I feel like the 3 different Greeds in the deck make up for it.
The betting is still out to see if Mizzix's Mastery is any good... It's only got 3,4 on it & there are not a lot of instant or sorcery cards in the deck. But it can still be 2 cards for the cost of 1 which is nice.
drohack asked: For Baron Von Count do cards that decrease the casting cost of cards alter the number on the card in relation to moving the doom counter? For example if I have The Immortal Sun on the field and I cast Ember Swallower for 1RR would Baron Von Count still count the #2 on the cards casting cost or would it be altered to a #1? (if this is the case then this would effectively make Ember Swallower only have the numbers 1,3,4,5 instead of 1,2,3,4,5).
Decreasing the casting cost doesn’t change the physical number printed on the card which is what the Baron cares about.
I'm still trying to see if Transform card's little greyed out power and toughness (for the creature on the back) count (I've sent a question to Mark Rosewater about this). According to rule 711.1c it is reminder text:
711.1c If the back face of a double-faced card is a creature, the front face of that card will have the back face’s power and toughness printed in gray above the power and toughness box. This is reminder text and has no effect on game play.
Since it's reminder text and it's in the physical text box I would count it.
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From Mark Rosewater Q+A
Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
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-Prime Speaker Vannifar
---------------------Will & Rowan Kenrith
Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
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-Prime Speaker Vannifar
---------------------Will & Rowan Kenrith
Gilded Lotus 1,3,5
Sensei's Divining Top 1,3
Vindictive Lich 1,2,3,4,5
Cathartic Reunion 1,2,3
Oblivion Stone 1,3,4,5
Grim Monolith 2,3,4
Also Unlimited/Beta Dark Ritual has 3 on it.
—Lim-Dûl, the Necromancer
Someone should ask Maro, but the important point is: one of the versions of Everythingamajig and Giant Fan both should let you put multiple doom counters on Baron von Count.
--Buck v Bell, 1927. This case, regarding the compulsory sterilization of inmates at mental institutions, has -- somehow -- never been overturned. Just a wee PSA for ya.
Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
Click images for decks->
-Prime Speaker Vannifar
---------------------Will & Rowan Kenrith
--Buck v Bell, 1927. This case, regarding the compulsory sterilization of inmates at mental institutions, has -- somehow -- never been overturned. Just a wee PSA for ya.
The Baron doesn't seem to be an option for your commander on the deck builder...
In the first post Inhumaniac is set in the 1,2,3,4,5 category. It does not have a 2 in the card as spelled out words do not count.
I also got this quote from Mark Rosewater on his blog http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/169361239278/for-baron-von-count-do-cards-that-decrease-the#notes:
I'm still trying to see if Transform card's little greyed out power and toughness (for the creature on the back) count (I've sent a question to Mark Rosewater about this). According to rule 711.1c it is reminder text:
Since it's reminder text and it's in the physical text box I would count it.