Well you can upgrade Arahbo with Ahmonket cards and Edgar with Ixlan cards fairly easily and cheaply.
The problem is it doesn't take very much upgrading at all before Meren gets completely out of hand.. Sakura-tribe elder OP.
I thought to upgrade edgar and arahbo with AHK/XLN sets but I was too afraid I will make them out of balance.
Are there any cards I should take out (op/up) ?
Not a dig at OP or anything but it seems these threads keep popping up. Maybe we need to run a poll to decide the generally accepted power rankings amongst all the decks and then sticky that bastard.
Not a dig at OP or anything but it seems these threads keep popping up. Maybe we need to run a poll to decide the generally accepted power rankings amongst all the decks and then sticky that bastard.
Sorry if I post something that has been posted many times, I'm new here.
And I absolutely agree with you. I will go further and even say why not a whole sticky thread just for precon commanders?
In my opinion, most cards that are made for commander are going to be stronger... becsuse theyre designed for the format. That doesnt mean theyre always going to be better though. It's all about how you design the deck, really.
I would say try prohibiting certain cards to be used with the commanderrs before outright banning them first.
The only one that sticks out to me as significantly weaker than the rest is Kalemne. You could probably play Swell the Host (Ezuri) instead and all would be reasonably well balanced.
If you're looking at upgrading straight away, some of these do stand out as having a much higher potential than others. Derevi and Meren are probably the most competitive, with Derevi able to be seriously oppressive. It's probably too early to tell with Arahbo or Edgar but I doubt either of them will ever be as competitive.
The only one that sticks out to me as significantly weaker than the rest is Kalemne. You could probably play Swell the Host (Ezuri) instead and all would be reasonably well balanced.
If you're looking at upgrading straight away, some of these do stand out as having a much higher potential than others. Derevi and Meren are probably the most competitive, with Derevi able to be seriously oppressive. It's probably too early to tell with Arahbo or Edgar but I doubt either of them will ever be as competitive.
What about Inalla? I want to try her deck but I read that the wizards deck out of the box is terrible...
It's usable. It's not as strong as Edgar Markov out of the box. The problem is because of the eminence clause on Inalla copying any legendary wizard is incredibly redundant. With some toolboxing though it can be quite a strong combo deck. The other option there is the other new legend from that pack, Kess, Dissident Mage. Again, strongest as a combo general, but otherwise out of the box it could be fun to play with her at the head.
This is why I keep my commander cube. Everyone has this one giant pool to draft from, and the power level, while high, is level across the board. Yes, it's got every tutour, power, and some very strong cards (workshop and tabernacle level strong), but it's unlikely that one person gets all of that. Unlike if one built a deck with that to curbstomp everyone else.
And it doesn't have to be powered either. You could decide to build entirely on commons, silverblack (commons & uncommons only) and just add the commanders that you prefer.
Are you looking at power levels out of the box or after upgraded? For example, Derevi is not that strong out of the box but can easy become on of the most oppressive commanders. Also, if they are upgraded, will they be tuned to play each other. Would the other eligible commanders be able to be used?
Are you looking at power levels out of the box or after upgraded? For example, Derevi is not that strong out of the box but can easy become on of the most oppressive commanders. Also, if they are upgraded, will they be tuned to play each other. Would the other eligible commanders be able to be used?
Much has been changed since a month ago.
1) I moved from beefy giants to control-burn-group hug-ish.
I have problem with my deck though...im using Arcane Wizardry and Seize Control as base, mixed them together and upgraded the deck (Kess as cmd). But im having trouble without white for more control/group hug and w/o green for ramp.
2) My friend switched from vamps to dragons (Draconic Domination) with slight upgrade.
3) Derevi OOtB is almost as bad as Arcane Wizardry OOtB. I want to upgrade him to combo WU with fewer G cards but in the same time I dont want him to become too oppressive.
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1) Wade Into Battle (Kalemne)
2) Plunder the Graves (Meren)
3) Feline Ferocity (Arahbo)
4) Evasive Maneuvers (Derevi)
5) Vampiric Bloodlust (Edgar)
With multiplayer as long as the decks are reasonably close, it tends to balance itself out though (as long as people are decent at threat assessment).
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I have cards to upgrade Kalemne.
I wonder if we need to upgrade the rest as well.
The problem is it doesn't take very much upgrading at all before Meren gets completely out of hand.. Sakura-tribe elder OP.
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I thought to upgrade edgar and arahbo with AHK/XLN sets but I was too afraid I will make them out of balance.
Are there any cards I should take out (op/up) ?
Sorry if I post something that has been posted many times, I'm new here.
And I absolutely agree with you. I will go further and even say why not a whole sticky thread just for precon commanders?
I would say try prohibiting certain cards to be used with the commanderrs before outright banning them first.
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If you're looking at upgrading straight away, some of these do stand out as having a much higher potential than others. Derevi and Meren are probably the most competitive, with Derevi able to be seriously oppressive. It's probably too early to tell with Arahbo or Edgar but I doubt either of them will ever be as competitive.
And it doesn't have to be powered either. You could decide to build entirely on commons, silverblack (commons & uncommons only) and just add the commanders that you prefer.
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Are you looking at power levels out of the box or after upgraded? For example, Derevi is not that strong out of the box but can easy become on of the most oppressive commanders. Also, if they are upgraded, will they be tuned to play each other. Would the other eligible commanders be able to be used?
Much has been changed since a month ago.
1) I moved from beefy giants to control-burn-group hug-ish.
I have problem with my deck though...im using Arcane Wizardry and Seize Control as base, mixed them together and upgraded the deck (Kess as cmd). But im having trouble without white for more control/group hug and w/o green for ramp.
2) My friend switched from vamps to dragons (Draconic Domination) with slight upgrade.
3) Derevi OOtB is almost as bad as Arcane Wizardry OOtB. I want to upgrade him to combo WU with fewer G cards but in the same time I dont want him to become too oppressive.