The only cards I have found that could work are Tombstone Stairwell, Sarkhan the Mad, Descent of the Dragons, and Curse of Shallow Graves (cursing myself). The tokens are bigger than 1/1, which means they survive the Night of Souls Betrayal, but they still trigger Tainted Aether and wreak havoc if I control Panharmonicon. I am looking to get these cards to test them out.
I am also considering Endless Whispers, but it can backfire very easily. I would have to make myself hexproof first (Orbs of Warding).
Obviously, a huge limitation is that I am only playing black and red. I need these two colours, and I want my general to be a non-creature so I don't trigger my Tainted Aether with it. I would consider adding other colours if there was enough incentive. But without having an indestructible commander that survives wraths and doesn't trigger Tainted Aether when I cast him (usually I cast him before getting 7 devotion), the deck would lose a lot.
So far, green is my biggest temptation as I would get Primal Vigor, Beast Within and Dual Nature. Reality Shift/Pongify/Rapid Hybridization would be okay in blue. Polymorph effects too if they can target my opponents. Curse of the Swine. Crib Swap and Afterlife can be okay as well. March of Souls would be very good. Mercy Killing..
Are there any other options for giving opponents creatures that fit my criteria (that I do not get any creatures from the card)? I'll consider cards in any colour, but preferably I want to stay Rakdos. And the creatures do not have to be tokens!
Or, suggest to me another commander that could give me more colours and has some synergy!
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I want to try out Lord Windgrace as a non-creature commander for this deck. He can help me dig a bit too, which is nice.
unfortunately the absolute god of this effect, phelddagrif, is exactly in not-your-colors (and as a commander, exactly in not-the-colors of pretty much any of the creature punish cards). Could work it into a 5-color deck though.
I think I'm going to pick up Aether Flash, just so I can make Tombstone Stairwell better. Varchild's War-Riders is really interesting. I will keep it in mind if I ever find a way to play creatures without getting punished.
I think you got the only ones available unless you want to give yourself creatures. My only advice at that point is to run some copy effects like Vesuva, Thespian's Stage, and Mirage Mirror to copy your Forbidden Orchard.
I think you got the only ones available unless you want to give yourself creatures. My only advice at that point is to run some copy effects like Vesuva, Thespian's Stage, and Mirage Mirror to copy your Forbidden Orchard.
I guess chaos warp is already in your deck as an answer, it might happen that permanent is a creature.
Then we have dark salvation to give a bunch of zombies to someone.
While I don't think Endbringer's Revel and Oath of Ghouls will be good for your plan, but it will make sure that your opponents will have creatures to cast.
I see the possibility to use Kormus Bell + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in your build to make lands creatures, but that would sadly also hurt yourself. :/
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So, my deck has been a blast, though it lacks redundancy for a lot of pieces. I am thinking of switching Mogis for Lord Windgrace. It draws cards, and gives me a few more effects for giving tokens to opponents.
A card you might find interesting is Portcullis. The creatures enter the battlefield before Portcullis exiled them, thus trigering your enchantments. If an opponent (or you) gets rid of Portcullis, it all comes back for a second go...
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The deck's primary goal is to assemble Tainted Aether + Burning Sands + Night of Souls' Betrayal, then proceed to give my opponents creatures. (redundancy with Curse of Death's Hold, Spreading Plague, etc)
I noticed this contraption works really well with Panharmonicon, and made this thread looking at options to find additional synergy: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/777928-panharmonicon-for-opponents-creatures.
Right now, I have 4 ways to give my opponents creatures: Acorn Catapult, Forbidden Orchard, indomitable creativity, and Genesis Chamber. I want to pick up a Dowsing Dagger.
I am looking for more options, but I do not want to trigger my own enchantments, so I do not want to get creatures. That means Hunted Horror and Hunted Dragon are not cards I want to play. Neither is Akroan Horse, Rite of the Raging Storm, Goblin Spymaster and tempt with Vengeance.... Unless someone has an amazing idea to keep these from hurting me!
The only cards I have found that could work are Tombstone Stairwell, Sarkhan the Mad, Descent of the Dragons, and Curse of Shallow Graves (cursing myself). The tokens are bigger than 1/1, which means they survive the Night of Souls Betrayal, but they still trigger Tainted Aether and wreak havoc if I control Panharmonicon. I am looking to get these cards to test them out.
I am also considering Endless Whispers, but it can backfire very easily. I would have to make myself hexproof first (Orbs of Warding).
Obviously, a huge limitation is that I am only playing black and red. I need these two colours, and I want my general to be a non-creature so I don't trigger my Tainted Aether with it. I would consider adding other colours if there was enough incentive. But without having an indestructible commander that survives wraths and doesn't trigger Tainted Aether when I cast him (usually I cast him before getting 7 devotion), the deck would lose a lot.
So far, green is my biggest temptation as I would get Primal Vigor, Beast Within and Dual Nature.
Reality Shift/Pongify/Rapid Hybridization would be okay in blue. Polymorph effects too if they can target my opponents. Curse of the Swine.
Crib Swap and Afterlife can be okay as well. March of Souls would be very good.
Mercy Killing..
Are there any other options for giving opponents creatures that fit my criteria (that I do not get any creatures from the card)? I'll consider cards in any colour, but preferably I want to stay Rakdos. And the creatures do not have to be tokens!
Or, suggest to me another commander that could give me more colours and has some synergy!
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I want to try out Lord Windgrace as a non-creature commander for this deck. He can help me dig a bit too, which is nice.
So now, I am looking for effects that Green gives me to give creatures to my opponents. Dual Nature, Pharika, God of Affliction, and Beast Within are some examples.
8.RG Green Devotion Ramp/Combo 9.UR Draw Triggers 10.WUR Group stalling 11.WUR Voltron Spellslinger 12.WB Sacrificial Shenanigans
13.BR Creatureless Panharmonicon 14.BR Pingers and Eldrazi 15.URG Untapped Cascading
16.Reyhan, last of the Abzan's WUBG +1/+1 Counter Craziness 17.WUBRG Dragons aka Why did I make this?
Building: The Gitrog Monster lands, Glissa the Traitor stax, Muldrotha, the Gravetide Planeswalker Combo, Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix + Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa Clues, and Tribal Scarecrow Planeswalkers
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
I think Twilight's Call and the other versions of that might do something you want?
You can also run transmute spells for 2, 4, and 5 to find the other pieces you listed earlier if you feel like you need extra tutors.
Older Magic as a Board Game: Panglacial Wurm , Mill
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Aether Flash might also work for your deck.
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Twilights call is not a bad idea. I'll try it out!
thanks for the lead!
I think I'm going to pick up Aether Flash, just so I can make Tombstone Stairwell better. Varchild's War-Riders is really interesting. I will keep it in mind if I ever find a way to play creatures without getting punished.
8.RG Green Devotion Ramp/Combo 9.UR Draw Triggers 10.WUR Group stalling 11.WUR Voltron Spellslinger 12.WB Sacrificial Shenanigans
13.BR Creatureless Panharmonicon 14.BR Pingers and Eldrazi 15.URG Untapped Cascading
16.Reyhan, last of the Abzan's WUBG +1/+1 Counter Craziness 17.WUBRG Dragons aka Why did I make this?
Building: The Gitrog Monster lands, Glissa the Traitor stax, Muldrotha, the Gravetide Planeswalker Combo, Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix + Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa Clues, and Tribal Scarecrow Planeswalkers
EDIT! Divergent Transformations. Wild Evocation could work but could also blow up in your face.
In mogis you can only play 2 but
Hunted dragon
Hunted Horror
UB Vela the Night-Clad BUDecklist
WBG Ghave, Guru of Spores GBW
WUBRGThe Ur-DragonWUBRGDecklist
Jalira, Master Polymorphist | Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder | Bosh, Iron Golem | Ezuri, Renegade Leader
Brago, King Eternal | Oona, Queen of the Fae | Wort, Boggart Auntie | Wort, the Raidmother
Captain Sisay | Rhys, the Redeemed | Trostani, Selesnya's Voice | Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight | Obzedat, Ghost Council | Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind | Vorel of the Hull Clade
Uril, the Miststalker | Prossh, Skyraider of Kher | Nicol Bolas | Progenitus
Ghave, Guru of Spores | Zedruu the Greathearted | Damia, Sage of Stone | Riku of Two Reflections
Mogg infestation is perfect! Beyond perfect! Thank you so much!
Not a bad idea, actually. Thanks!
8.RG Green Devotion Ramp/Combo 9.UR Draw Triggers 10.WUR Group stalling 11.WUR Voltron Spellslinger 12.WB Sacrificial Shenanigans
13.BR Creatureless Panharmonicon 14.BR Pingers and Eldrazi 15.URG Untapped Cascading
16.Reyhan, last of the Abzan's WUBG +1/+1 Counter Craziness 17.WUBRG Dragons aka Why did I make this?
Building: The Gitrog Monster lands, Glissa the Traitor stax, Muldrotha, the Gravetide Planeswalker Combo, Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix + Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa Clues, and Tribal Scarecrow Planeswalkers
Then we have dark salvation to give a bunch of zombies to someone.
While I don't think Endbringer's Revel and Oath of Ghouls will be good for your plan, but it will make sure that your opponents will have creatures to cast.
I see the possibility to use Kormus Bell + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in your build to make lands creatures, but that would sadly also hurt yourself. :/
BGU Sidisi, Brood Tyrant - Lurking Zombies.
GBG Sapling of Colfenor - Forest Growth and Destruction.
RWU Zedruu the Greathearted - Blinking and trading.
GWB Teneb the Harvester - Enchantments, you lose life I gain life.
RRR Neheb the Eternal - Ping people for mana burn.
Also, Xantcha, Sleeper Agent is going in the deck. That is the only recent update.
I would greatly appreciate your wealth of knowledge on this! It is too difficult to identify all of the cards through Gatherer searches.
8.RG Green Devotion Ramp/Combo 9.UR Draw Triggers 10.WUR Group stalling 11.WUR Voltron Spellslinger 12.WB Sacrificial Shenanigans
13.BR Creatureless Panharmonicon 14.BR Pingers and Eldrazi 15.URG Untapped Cascading
16.Reyhan, last of the Abzan's WUBG +1/+1 Counter Craziness 17.WUBRG Dragons aka Why did I make this?
Building: The Gitrog Monster lands, Glissa the Traitor stax, Muldrotha, the Gravetide Planeswalker Combo, Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix + Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa Clues, and Tribal Scarecrow Planeswalkers
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