We finally have the set fully spoiled, but I'm having a hard time picking the last few dinosaurs for my deck. I understand that we'll get more when Rivals of Ixalan comes out, but who really wants to wait that long to play Gishath, Sun's Avatar.
Best card for the deck imo is probably scroll rack. Also congregation at dawn, sylvan tutor and worldly tutor type effects could be a good way to make the most out of the few playable dinos. You can even cast some of them with the trigger on the stack so you aren't wrecked by removal or similar.
The sad thing is that Imperial Aerosaur could have been very good for Gishath if it was an attack trigger instead of an etb one... wasted opportunity
I keep re-reading it to make sure it isn't an attack trigger. Card would be sick if so, but instead it's a mediocre draft uncommon.
The real issue I think is that Gishath, Sun's Avatar is the very definition of a "win more" Timmy card for even the most mild mannered of EDH tables. You ramp to 8 mana and start chomping with a commander that can deal lethal in 3 turns, and your reward is to overextend even further into a wrath that causes game-ending tempo loss. To do it, however, you have to fill your deck with clunky six drops. Worse still, since his trigger happens after dealing combat damage most of the truly greatest dinosaurs are a bit wasted when hit off of Gishath - Wakening Sun's Avatar does nothing, Imperial Aerosaur's only chance to shine is wasted, Burning Sun's Avatar and Raging Swordtooth can't remove any pesky blockers, Regisaur Alpha doesn't get to have its homies hastily charge in for extra damage.
How do I delete this thread? To be honest it was a waste of time, due to all the useless comments...
just ask the moderator to lock it
i can reopen a lets brew version
one last thing ilovesaprolings if your going to complain the dinosaurs are not strong which is wrong they did get just enough stuff to start go complain somewhere else this is a deck making forum not the take about the set one
one last thing ilovesaprolings if your going to complain the dinosaurs are not strong which is wrong they did get just enough stuff to start go complain somewhere else this is a deck making forum not the take about the set one
Your gonna complain because someone is not in deep denial like you? What do you want hear? That sky terror is strong in commander? That attacking with Gishath and flipping a sky terror is a good play? Than write "lie to me" in the next thread you open.
I added plenty of reason to why dinosaurs are underwhelming. You just go around claiming that dinosaurs are strong, but without any fact behind this.
OP, you want the list of playable dinosaurs? Here we go
Sorry if my reasoned critics about a neglected tribe hurted someone's feeling. I get that is 2017, but sometimes truth hurts
Do you even know edh?
I think I can see it now your not a casual player of edh you are competitive and that's most likely why you did not mention all the other good Dino's in edh.
Edh is morely casual play
Vanilla creatures are used in decks I see them quite a bit I use some sometimes like I use eldrazi devastator in my colorless deck
your missing several other dinosaurs that can sometimes work in other decks
Also your never going to convince most of us that dinosaur tribal cannot get built get over it
As a matter of fact I already got started on making dinosaur tribal.
Dinos are weird right now, since some of them conflict, for example I dislike that one of the better dinosaurs stops life gain since I want to go hard into the life gain. That being said part of the fun is gonna be playing with the mediocre dinosaurs and eventually replacing them when the next set rolls out.
I think I can see it now your not a casual player of edh you are competitive and that's most likely why you did not mention all the other good Dino's in edh.
Edh is morely casual play
Vanilla creatures are used in decks I see them quite a bit I use some sometimes like I use eldrazi devastator in my colorless deck
your missing several other dinosaurs that can sometimes work in other decks
Also your never going to convince most of us that dinosaur tribal cannot get built get over it
As a matter of fact I already got started on making dinosaur tribal.
As a casual I too think that Dinos don't have enough to be a good tribe quite yet. Most of the old ones that they made dinos are trash. I mean who the hell wants Pygmy Allosaurus? Like I said above their type errata was pretty disappointing but they likely had a year and a half or more in which they knew they were doing Dinosaurs yet couldn't be bothered to tell Joey the intern to Gatherer up all the things that should be dinosaurs in that time.
Personally I dont really have a dog in the fight since, while I'm glad that this is a thing, I'm not really interested in building the deck. But I do think it's going to have to wait until Rivals drops.
(Also a side note, thanks WOTC and Kelly Digges for making us wait for [[Regal Behemoth]], you bunch of teases https://twitter.com/kellydigges/status/905545892848996358)
Here is a list of Dinosaurs that would most likely go into the deck:
Ripjaw Raptor
Kinjalli’s Sunwing
Wakening Sun's Avatar
Verdant Sun’s Avatar
Burning Sun’s Avatar
Goring Ceratops
Carnage Tyrant
Chameleon Colossus
Mirror Entity
Taurean Mauler
Rampaging Ferocidon
Deathgorge Scavenger
Regisaur Alpha
Magmasaur
Deathmist Raptor
Thundering Spineback
Ranging Raptors
Bellowing Aegisaur
Raging Swordtooth
Sky Terror
Sun-Blessed Mount
Territorial Hammerskull
Imperial Aerosaur
Any advice or feedback would be awesome!
Standard Decks:
EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
but im still doing this deck
so far dinos not on here yet
dinosaurs
Charging Monstrosaur this is no reality smasher but still pretty handy if your doing aggro as the theme in the tribal
if your willing to accept these dinosaurs go ahead and put them in
"Good" Dinosaurs (Strong, exploitable cards that attack from an angle other than the "six/six beatdown plan" by abusing Enrage, or cheap dinosaurs that do stuff to the opponent and demand an answer): Kinjalli's Sunwing, Bellowing Aegisaur, Wakening Sun's Avatar, Burning Sun's Avatar, Rampaging Ferocidon, Raptor Hatchling, Taurean Mauler, Chameleon Colossus, Ranging Raptors, Ripjaw Raptor, Raging Swordtooth, Regisaur Alpha. We have 12 total here, which is not super inspiring but could be worse.
"Medium" Dinosaurs (Dinosaurs that do more than just beatdown, but are a bit more awkward than the above): Mirror Entity, Steadfast Armasaur, Carnage Tyrant, Deathgorge Scavenger, Snapping Sailback, Thundering Spineback, Verdant Sun's Avatar, Sun-blessed Mount, Metallic Mimic, Adaptive Automaton. 10 more! Mirror Entity is normally better but since your tokens start at 3/3 and your creatures are large, it is less good here. Probably being a bit overgenerous on Steadfast Armasaur, but I also think any Dinosaur deck that has any chance is going to be abusing Pyrohemia/Triskelion/Walking Ballista + Rite of Passage (or the Aegisaur) so it can get pretty large. Sun-blessed Mount is five mana to draw a card, since I assume this deck always runs both Huatlis.
"Mediocre" Dinosaurs: Aggressively costed French vanillas or extremely slow other dinosaurs that are worth running to hit a critical mass for Gishath or Kindred Summoning but feel bad, man. First on the chopping block when Rivals arrives. Goring Ceratops, Territorial Hammerskull, Charging Monstrosaur, Sun-crowned Hunters, Fungusaur, Ravenous Daggertooth, Sky Terror, Brass Herald. That's 8 to bring us to 30 dinosaurs, although three aren't dinosaurs in the deck which is sad for Gishath.
All the other dinosaurs are awful for EDH, although Imperial Aerosaur, Bonded Horncrest, Ripscale Predator, and Colossal Dreadmaw are the best of the dregs since at least they are not utterly inefficient threats to hit off of Gishath.
The heart of a Gishath deck will be run a ton of ramp, a ton of library manipulation, and a ton of enrage enablers and payoffs. In particular I think that indestructible-granting cards (Eldrazi Monument, Heroic Intervention, Boros Charm, Avacyn, Angel of Hope), "EtB payoffs" (Warstorm Surge, Pandemonium, Purphoros, God of the Forge, Soul of the Harvest), and enrage triggering cards (Warmonger, Pyrohemia, and small repeatable sweepers like Volcanic Spray or Harbinger of the Hunt or flexible sweepers like Rolling Earthquake). Don't forget your Rite of Passage either.
RCRDaretti: Superfriends Forever RCR
WGBDoran: Ent-mootWBG
GGGMultani: Group Bear HugGGG
GB(B/G)The Gitrog Monster: Dredgefall DurdleGB(B/G)
RGWGahiji, the Honored Group Hug MonsterRGW
UB(U/B)Yuriko, Ninja Trinket AggroUB(U/B)
WUBRGAtogatog: Assembling a OHKOWUBRG
I can see erase enabling, ETB, and Ramp.
Oh hawk you forgot one indestructable protection for the dinosaurs kingdred boon
Oh for dinosaur sub-theme I can see Hate being a sub-theme believe it or not
I keep re-reading it to make sure it isn't an attack trigger. Card would be sick if so, but instead it's a mediocre draft uncommon.
The real issue I think is that Gishath, Sun's Avatar is the very definition of a "win more" Timmy card for even the most mild mannered of EDH tables. You ramp to 8 mana and start chomping with a commander that can deal lethal in 3 turns, and your reward is to overextend even further into a wrath that causes game-ending tempo loss. To do it, however, you have to fill your deck with clunky six drops. Worse still, since his trigger happens after dealing combat damage most of the truly greatest dinosaurs are a bit wasted when hit off of Gishath - Wakening Sun's Avatar does nothing, Imperial Aerosaur's only chance to shine is wasted, Burning Sun's Avatar and Raging Swordtooth can't remove any pesky blockers, Regisaur Alpha doesn't get to have its homies hastily charge in for extra damage.
If a Dino deck is to be good, I think it probably will be because it leans on Enrage. Bellowing Aegisaur + Walking Ballista or Triskelion is a lot of value every turn. It's infinite value if you make Aegisaur indestructible or can also resolve Rite of Passage (or Mirage Mirror/Mirror of the Forebears targeting Aegisaur). You can also go infinite with Raptor Hatchling + Warstorm Surge/Pandemonium + any indestructible effect. Turning Pyrohemia or Harbinger of the Hunt into a card advantage machine alongside Ranging Raptors or Ripjaw Raptor also seems decent. Such a deck probably wants to consider running Marath as a commander instead, and as Ryperior points out leaning on the "hate" subtheme of Dinos by running Kinjalli's Sunwing, Rampaging Ferocidon, and Deathgorge Scavenger alongside classic effects like Blood Moon, Aura Shards, and Strangle Hold.
RCRDaretti: Superfriends Forever RCR
WGBDoran: Ent-mootWBG
GGGMultani: Group Bear HugGGG
GB(B/G)The Gitrog Monster: Dredgefall DurdleGB(B/G)
RGWGahiji, the Honored Group Hug MonsterRGW
UB(U/B)Yuriko, Ninja Trinket AggroUB(U/B)
WUBRGAtogatog: Assembling a OHKOWUBRG
Standard Decks:
just ask the moderator to lock it
i can reopen a lets brew version
one last thing ilovesaprolings if your going to complain the dinosaurs are not strong which is wrong they did get just enough stuff to start go complain somewhere else this is a deck making forum not the take about the set one
Do you even know edh?
I think I can see it now your not a casual player of edh you are competitive and that's most likely why you did not mention all the other good Dino's in edh.
Edh is morely casual play
Vanilla creatures are used in decks I see them quite a bit I use some sometimes like I use eldrazi devastator in my colorless deck
your missing several other dinosaurs that can sometimes work in other decks
Also your never going to convince most of us that dinosaur tribal cannot get built get over it
As a matter of fact I already got started on making dinosaur tribal.
As a casual I too think that Dinos don't have enough to be a good tribe quite yet. Most of the old ones that they made dinos are trash. I mean who the hell wants Pygmy Allosaurus? Like I said above their type errata was pretty disappointing but they likely had a year and a half or more in which they knew they were doing Dinosaurs yet couldn't be bothered to tell Joey the intern to Gatherer up all the things that should be dinosaurs in that time.
Personally I dont really have a dog in the fight since, while I'm glad that this is a thing, I'm not really interested in building the deck. But I do think it's going to have to wait until Rivals drops.
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