Why is Edric, Spymaster of Trest banned in 1v1? To me, it creates parity with other players (everybody gets to draw cards) and very interactable. No hexproof, indestructibility etc.
What is so broken about it that French list banned it?
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Why is Edric, Spymaster of Trest banned in 1v1? To me, it creates parity with other players (everybody gets to draw cards) and very interactable. No hexproof, indestructibility etc.
What is so broken about it that French list banned it?
Players who attack you don't draw cards. That means that only Edric's controller is drawing cards in 1v1.
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Why is Edric, Spymaster of Trest banned in 1v1? To me, it creates parity with other players (everybody gets to draw cards) and very interactable. No hexproof, indestructibility etc.
What is so broken about it that French list banned it?
Players who attack you don't draw cards. That means that only Edric's controller is drawing cards in 1v1.
Yeah, I contradicted myself in there. But, drawing cards off Edric even in 1v1 is still not powerful enough to warrant a ban.
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Salt is part of the game. Deal with it.
Why is Edric, Spymaster of Trest banned in 1v1? To me, it creates parity with other players (everybody gets to draw cards) and very interactable. No hexproof, indestructibility etc.
What is so broken about it that French list banned it?
Players who attack you don't draw cards. That means that only Edric's controller is drawing cards in 1v1.
Yeah, I contradicted myself in there. But, drawing cards off Edric even in 1v1 is still not powerful enough to warrant a ban.
Play with the card. Then play against the card. Then reevaluate your opinion. Edric is busted.
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Why is Edric, Spymaster of Trest banned in 1v1? To me, it creates parity with other players (everybody gets to draw cards) and very interactable. No hexproof, indestructibility etc.
What is so broken about it that French list banned it?
Players who attack you don't draw cards. That means that only Edric's controller is drawing cards in 1v1.
Yeah, I contradicted myself in there. But, drawing cards off Edric even in 1v1 is still not powerful enough to warrant a ban.
The problem is that Edric is/was powerful enough to warp the format around him. Edric decks dominated. He impacted the format so much, that you basically had to run specific answers just for dealing with him. Anything that reaches that level, will be banned. It's why things like Prophet of Kruphix got banned in multiplayer. The moment she would hit the field, the game became about her and killing her, because if you didn't, her controller would basically win or be so far ahead that they might as well have won.
Edric decks just needs to drop a few cheap creatures with some evasion, get Edric out, start punching for card advantage and then hide behind coutnerspells for protection. You say Edric is not powerful. But he is. He can come down on turn 2 and he basically says "Here's a card for every time one of your creatures punches an opponent in the face!" In a 1v1 format, that's big. If a person is drawing 2, 3, or even 4 more cards than their opponent every turn, they are probably going to win. That player is just going to accumulate more resources and options than their opponent at an accelerated rate.
Your argument basically boils down to Edric is not flashy, so he's not powerful. This is despite the fact that all Edric has to do is sit there on the battlefield. You don't have to pay life, pay mana, tap him or activate an ability but he allows for a player to rush through their deck to draw into what they need to win for just 3 CMC and just having a few creatures hit your opponent.
So, yeah, he's not indestructible or hexproof but he doesn't need be. If he was, he'd probably get banned in every format. He is, however, massive and highly efficient card advantage for very little.
Why is Edric, Spymaster of Trest banned in 1v1? To me, it creates parity with other players (everybody gets to draw cards) and very interactable. No hexproof, indestructibility etc.
What is so broken about it that French list banned it?
Players who attack you don't draw cards. That means that only Edric's controller is drawing cards in 1v1.
Yeah, I contradicted myself in there. But, drawing cards off Edric even in 1v1 is still not powerful enough to warrant a ban.
The problem is that Edric is/was powerful enough to warp the format around him. Edric decks dominated. He impacted the format so much, that you basically had to run specific answers just for dealing with him. Anything that reaches that level, will be banned. It's why things like Prophet of Kruphix got banned in multiplayer. The moment she would hit the field, the game became about her and killing her, because if you didn't, her controller would basically win or be so far ahead that they might as well have won.
Edric decks just needs to drop a few cheap creatures with some evasion, get Edric out, start punching for card advantage and then hide behind coutnerspells for protection. You say Edric is not powerful. But he is. He can come down on turn 2 and he basically says "Here's a card for every time one of your creatures punches an opponent in the face!" In a 1v1 format, that's big. If a person is drawing 2, 3, or even 4 more cards than their opponent every turn, they are probably going to win. That player is just going to accumulate more resources and options than their opponent at an accelerated rate.
Your argument basically boils down to Edric is not flashy, so he's not powerful. This is despite the fact that all Edric has to do is sit there on the battlefield. You don't have to pay life, pay mana, tap him or activate an ability but he allows for a player to rush through their deck to draw into what they need to win for just 3 CMC and just having a few creatures hit your opponent.
So, yeah, he's not indestructible or hexproof but he doesn't need be. If he was, he'd probably get banned in every format. He is, however, massive and highly efficient card advantage for very little.
Your argument is very sound and valid. Thank you for making it clear to me.
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There's is no "paper" 1v1 EDH banlist from Wizards. Indeed, there is no paper EDH banlist from Wizards full stop. The main (multiplayer) EDH banlist is run by the Commander Rules Committee, a group of players who actually started the format and, although the are in communication with WotC, they remain independent. The committee only really care about EDH as a multiplayer format, so they haven't created a separate 1v1 banlist from the multiplayer one - and as Edric isn't completely broken in multiplayer, they haven't banned him.
Some people who enjoyed 1v1 commander created the "French" format, with a banlist designed around 1v1 games, along with a few other rules changes (such as the life total drop) - I believe this group has since splintered into "French" and "Leviathan", with the latter keeping a 30 life total and the former going down to 20
When Wizards decided to introduce 1v1 commander into MTGO as a separate format, they created their own banlist just for that, along with a 30 point life total.
So overall, whether or not Edric is banned depends entirely on what ruleset you're using - if you're sticking to the standard multiplayer centric EDH banlist, he's not, but if you're going for any of the 1v1 focused ones he is.
Having slightly cheaper Coastal Piracy as a commander can get out of hand quickly. And remember, French rules are more aggro-friendly.
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Edric is a great political card. In multiplayer. In 1v1, the Edric player holds all the advantage while his opponent gets nothing.
I have not seen Edric be a political commander in the games I've participated in. It was a tuned mana dork deck that was drawing 2-3 cards per turn very early and then snowballing into some value engine while people were still setting up.
Ludevic feels far more political (though I would argue that it is technically still not) and far more balanced.
Edric is more of an non-symmetrical Howling Mine that benefits whoever is going wide the hardest (and also not attacking Edric) and has all the bad play patterns that most group hug decks do.
Edric is a great political card. In multiplayer. In 1v1, the Edric player holds all the advantage while his opponent gets nothing.
I have not seen Edric be a political commander in the games I've participated in. It was a tuned mana dork deck that was drawing 2-3 cards per turn very early and then snowballing into some value engine while people were still setting up.
Ludevic feels far more political (though I would argue that it is technically still not) and far more balanced.
Edric is more of an non-symmetrical Howling Mine that benefits whoever is going wide the hardest (and also not attacking Edric) and has all the bad play patterns that most group hug decks do.
What bad play pattern?
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I have never seen Howling Mine-type Group Hug effects actually affect everyone equally. Certain decks benefit from them far more than others and it feels like decks running more combo-type win conditions or decks with the biggest top-end benefit the most. Certain decks are just fed far more than others and don't have to do any work to do so.
Edric similarly feeds certain decks hard while others struggle to keep up with the value he generates. It's certainly good that he encourages playing creatures and attacking, but it is my opinion that his scaling has undesirable consequences.
Edric is a great political card. In multiplayer. In 1v1, the Edric player holds all the advantage while his opponent gets nothing.
I have not seen Edric be a political commander in the games I've participated in. It was a tuned mana dork deck that was drawing 2-3 cards per turn very early and then snowballing into some value engine while people were still setting up.
Ludevic feels far more political (though I would argue that it is technically still not) and far more balanced.
Edric is more of an non-symmetrical Howling Mine that benefits whoever is going wide the hardest (and also not attacking Edric) and has all the bad play patterns that most group hug decks do.
I said Edric was a political card in multiplayer, I was not talking about him being a commander. I was speaking of him in terms of being a part of the 99 of a deck. That's based on my playing him in my Animar deck. I did not elaborate on that because Edric as a commander in multiplayer was not the focus of this thread, I have no experience with or against as a commander in multiplayer, and I gave my view on him in 1v1 in a different post.
Edric is a great political card. In multiplayer. In 1v1, the Edric player holds all the advantage while his opponent gets nothing.
No you are wrong.
Edric is a racist, sexist nazi elf that needs to killed with an exterminatus.
Saying that "Edric is a great political card" is like saying "griffith did nothing wrong".
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Edric is a great political card. In multiplayer. In 1v1, the Edric player holds all the advantage while his opponent gets nothing.
No you are wrong.
Edric is a racist, sexist nazi elf that needs to killed with an exterminatus.
Saying that "Edric is a great political card" is like saying "griffith did nothing wrong".
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Yep, that's some hate right there. Never thought I'd see a reference to Berserk and Warhammer 40K on a MtG site.
I mean, warhammer isnt that far out and berserk has crossover fans, I was referring to the part right before.
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Edric is a great political card. In multiplayer. In 1v1, the Edric player holds all the advantage while his opponent gets nothing.
No you are wrong.
Edric is a racist, sexist nazi elf that needs to killed with an exterminatus.
Saying that "Edric is a great political card" is like saying "griffith did nothing wrong".
So why do you hate Edric so much??
Your typical Edric deck plays exactly the same in multiplayer as it does in 1v1. Calling Edric "great political card" is just lie. Edric decks have so much redundancy that they always start drawing ton of cards before any other player gets to even play creatures. Edrics also play time walks the most antisocial cards I can think of.
Edric is also an elf and elfs are racists in pretty much every fantasy setting. Elfs in magic are a deck archetype that whines "whyy u targeting me??? Im just playing fair creature deck" while playing storm. At least when you play against honest storm deck you can stifle the storm trigger. You can't stifle Priest of Titania when it's tapping for mana.
Your typical Edric deck plays exactly the same in multiplayer as it does in 1v1. Calling Edric "great political card" is just lie. Edric decks have so much redundancy that they always start drawing ton of cards before any other player gets to even play creatures. Edrics also play time walks the most antisocial cards I can think of.
This sounds more like a player thing than a card thing
Your typical Edric deck plays exactly the same in multiplayer as it does in 1v1. Calling Edric "great political card" is just lie. Edric decks have so much redundancy that they always start drawing ton of cards before any other player gets to even play creatures. Edrics also play time walks the most antisocial cards I can think of.
Funnily enough, I think he's much more fun in multiplayer because you can convince your opponents to bloody each other up a bit. Just convince them they need the card draw, and away they go. That's not political in the ordinary sense, I'll agree.
What do you mean by "redundancy"? All decks should have redundancy. What does Edric have that others don't? Time walks? The only extra turn card I run in Edric is Notorious Throng which, while a powerful finisher, is conditional. Someone playing lots of extra turns and antisocial cards is a fault with the player, not their general. That's the same type of player who likes to play solitaire with extra-turns Narset, and that's hardly Edric's fault.
Edric is also an elf and elfs are racists in pretty much every fantasy setting. Elfs in magic are a deck archetype that whines "whyy u targeting me??? Im just playing fair creature deck" while playing storm. At least when you play against honest storm deck you can stifle the storm trigger. You can't stifle Priest of Titania when it's tapping for mana.
I'm sorry, but I fail to see any logic in this argument. Who cares how a fictional race is usually portrayed in fictional stories? How does that relate to the card and the discussion at hand? Sure, it says elf on his creature line, but unless you're playing elfball, that doesn't matter. According to EDHREC, only 5.6% of Edric decks are tribal elf. And again, you are confusing the card itself with the personal playstyle of someone you know.
Your typical Edric deck plays exactly the same in multiplayer as it does in 1v1. Calling Edric "great political card" is just lie. Edric decks have so much redundancy that they always start drawing ton of cards before any other player gets to even play creatures. Edrics also play time walks the most antisocial cards I can think of.
This sounds more like a player thing than a card thing
Your typical Edric deck plays exactly the same in multiplayer as it does in 1v1. Calling Edric "great political card" is just lie. Edric decks have so much redundancy that they always start drawing ton of cards before any other player gets to even play creatures. Edrics also play time walks the most antisocial cards I can think of.
Edric is also an elf and elfs are racists in pretty much every fantasy setting. Elfs in magic are a deck archetype that whines "whyy u targeting me??? Im just playing fair creature deck" while playing storm. At least when you play against honest storm deck you can stifle the storm trigger. You can't stifle Priest of Titania when it's tapping for mana.
That's less on Edric and more on players who built those decks and I'm pretty sure there are people who don't play him that way.
Also, 'redundancy'? How does Edric have more redundancy than any other Commander? I'm just saying, most decks pick a strategy based on what their commander does and use cards that are committed to that strategy. Edric is no more guilty than any other commander.
I don't see how Edric being an elf has any bearing on anything. What does it matter how elves are portrayed in various fiction? That has no bearing on how Edric is played/used. Also, Edric cares less about a creature being an elf and more about that creature either having some form of evasion, offering a utility or just drawing him cards. I mean, out 938 decks on EDHREC, only 52 are Elf Tribal.
It really sounds like you hate particular playstyles that Edric can be used for and are projecting your dislike onto a singular card.
What is so broken about it that French list banned it?
Salt is part of the game. Deal with it.
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Yeah, I contradicted myself in there. But, drawing cards off Edric even in 1v1 is still not powerful enough to warrant a ban.
Salt is part of the game. Deal with it.
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The problem is that Edric is/was powerful enough to warp the format around him. Edric decks dominated. He impacted the format so much, that you basically had to run specific answers just for dealing with him. Anything that reaches that level, will be banned. It's why things like Prophet of Kruphix got banned in multiplayer. The moment she would hit the field, the game became about her and killing her, because if you didn't, her controller would basically win or be so far ahead that they might as well have won.
Edric decks just needs to drop a few cheap creatures with some evasion, get Edric out, start punching for card advantage and then hide behind coutnerspells for protection. You say Edric is not powerful. But he is. He can come down on turn 2 and he basically says "Here's a card for every time one of your creatures punches an opponent in the face!" In a 1v1 format, that's big. If a person is drawing 2, 3, or even 4 more cards than their opponent every turn, they are probably going to win. That player is just going to accumulate more resources and options than their opponent at an accelerated rate.
Your argument basically boils down to Edric is not flashy, so he's not powerful. This is despite the fact that all Edric has to do is sit there on the battlefield. You don't have to pay life, pay mana, tap him or activate an ability but he allows for a player to rush through their deck to draw into what they need to win for just 3 CMC and just having a few creatures hit your opponent.
So, yeah, he's not indestructible or hexproof but he doesn't need be. If he was, he'd probably get banned in every format. He is, however, massive and highly efficient card advantage for very little.
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Your argument is very sound and valid. Thank you for making it clear to me.
Salt is part of the game. Deal with it.
Some people who enjoyed 1v1 commander created the "French" format, with a banlist designed around 1v1 games, along with a few other rules changes (such as the life total drop) - I believe this group has since splintered into "French" and "Leviathan", with the latter keeping a 30 life total and the former going down to 20
When Wizards decided to introduce 1v1 commander into MTGO as a separate format, they created their own banlist just for that, along with a 30 point life total.
So overall, whether or not Edric is banned depends entirely on what ruleset you're using - if you're sticking to the standard multiplayer centric EDH banlist, he's not, but if you're going for any of the 1v1 focused ones he is.
No you are wrong.
Edric is a racist, sexist nazi elf that needs to killed with an exterminatus.
Saying that "Edric is a great political card" is like saying "griffith did nothing wrong".
On phasing:
Ludevic feels far more political (though I would argue that it is technically still not) and far more balanced.
Edric is more of an non-symmetrical Howling Mine that benefits whoever is going wide the hardest (and also not attacking Edric) and has all the bad play patterns that most group hug decks do.
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What bad play pattern?
Salt is part of the game. Deal with it.
Edric similarly feeds certain decks hard while others struggle to keep up with the value he generates. It's certainly good that he encourages playing creatures and attacking, but it is my opinion that his scaling has undesirable consequences.
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I said Edric was a political card in multiplayer, I was not talking about him being a commander. I was speaking of him in terms of being a part of the 99 of a deck. That's based on my playing him in my Animar deck. I did not elaborate on that because Edric as a commander in multiplayer was not the focus of this thread, I have no experience with or against as a commander in multiplayer, and I gave my view on him in 1v1 in a different post.
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Yep, that's some hate right there. Never thought I'd see a reference to Berserk and Warhammer 40K on a MtG site.
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I mean, warhammer isnt that far out and berserk has crossover fans, I was referring to the part right before.
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Ah...yeah, I have no idea why he hates Edric that much. I'm sure it's an interesting story.
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So why do you hate Edric so much??
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Your typical Edric deck plays exactly the same in multiplayer as it does in 1v1. Calling Edric "great political card" is just lie. Edric decks have so much redundancy that they always start drawing ton of cards before any other player gets to even play creatures. Edrics also play time walks the most antisocial cards I can think of.
Edric is also an elf and elfs are racists in pretty much every fantasy setting. Elfs in magic are a deck archetype that whines "whyy u targeting me??? Im just playing fair creature deck" while playing storm. At least when you play against honest storm deck you can stifle the storm trigger. You can't stifle Priest of Titania when it's tapping for mana.
This sounds more like a player thing than a card thing
What do you mean by "redundancy"? All decks should have redundancy. What does Edric have that others don't?
Time walks? The only extra turn card I run in Edric is Notorious Throng which, while a powerful finisher, is conditional. Someone playing lots of extra turns and antisocial cards is a fault with the player, not their general. That's the same type of player who likes to play solitaire with extra-turns Narset, and that's hardly Edric's fault.
I'm sorry, but I fail to see any logic in this argument. Who cares how a fictional race is usually portrayed in fictional stories? How does that relate to the card and the discussion at hand? Sure, it says elf on his creature line, but unless you're playing elfball, that doesn't matter. According to EDHREC, only 5.6% of Edric decks are tribal elf. And again, you are confusing the card itself with the personal playstyle of someone you know.
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That's less on Edric and more on players who built those decks and I'm pretty sure there are people who don't play him that way.
Also, 'redundancy'? How does Edric have more redundancy than any other Commander? I'm just saying, most decks pick a strategy based on what their commander does and use cards that are committed to that strategy. Edric is no more guilty than any other commander.
I don't see how Edric being an elf has any bearing on anything. What does it matter how elves are portrayed in various fiction? That has no bearing on how Edric is played/used. Also, Edric cares less about a creature being an elf and more about that creature either having some form of evasion, offering a utility or just drawing him cards. I mean, out 938 decks on EDHREC, only 52 are Elf Tribal.
It really sounds like you hate particular playstyles that Edric can be used for and are projecting your dislike onto a singular card.
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