I'm looking to make a deck that just vomits values and fatties all over the table, using all the groan inducing, mindlessly good value generators I can find. The current general of choice is Riku of Two Reflections but Yidris is looking tempting as well, and if theres enough value in white (such as Mayael) a five colour deck could be on the table too.
Wondering what your guys suggestions are for cards that just give you lots of mana, cards, or other value every turn?
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EDH RRGrenzo plays your deck, GGYeva's mono green control, WW9-tails trys desperately for monowhite not to suck RWBUTymna and Kraum's saboteur tribal, UWG Kestia's Enchantress Aggro, RUB Jeleva casts big dumb spells, RGB Vaevictis' big critters can kill your critters hard
Kinda wonder how a Lurking Predators cascades into Maelstrom Wanderer given the whole CMC needs to be lower thing
Anyway, one card alone I think is so worth it to go 5cc for: Maelstrom Nexus.
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Kinda wonder how a Lurking Predators cascades into Maelstrom Wanderer given the whole CMC needs to be lower thing
Anyway, one card alone I think is so worth it to go 5cc for: Maelstrom Nexus.
Yeah I just kind of ignored that. Not many counterspells you can use to cascade into rite. Not to mention and also have a second cascade. I just figured he was trying to make a point.
Maelstrom Wanderer is the best at this strategy, by the way. Card is nuts, so much value. All of these generals have their own strategies though so you have to play to your preferences.
Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
Aye, it's easy to one-shot a player with extra turn taking effects like Time Stretch, putting them back on top with Reclaim and its ilk. Brainstorm is a must for this kind of deck, and Jace, the Mind Sculptor if one could afford it.
A friend of mine already plays Intet, so no go there. If I stick to RUG then Riku is my general of choice, got a real soft spot for him from way back. But I'm wondering if white or black are worth it - black gets Yidris though I'm not sure what black cards are even worth using.
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EDH RRGrenzo plays your deck, GGYeva's mono green control, WW9-tails trys desperately for monowhite not to suck RWBUTymna and Kraum's saboteur tribal, UWG Kestia's Enchantress Aggro, RUB Jeleva casts big dumb spells, RGB Vaevictis' big critters can kill your critters hard
A friend of mine already plays Intet, so no go there. If I stick to RUG then Riku is my general of choice, got a real soft spot for him from way back. But I'm wondering if white or black are worth it - black gets Yidris though I'm not sure what black cards are even worth using.
With proper set up, one hit of Yidris means your opponent will probably not have another turn. There's a version I saw fueled with extra combat, extra turn, extra untap, and mana rocks, so every spell you cast can net you more turn/mana to cast again. Conqueror's Flail is particularly nasty with its power boost and shut down effect.
The Ydris deck comes with some solid Black things. Like In Garruks Wake, Army of the Damned, and Vial Smasher. I threw in things like Sire of Stagnation and Abhorrent Overlord for *****s and giggles. Plenty of powerful Black things to do.
A friend of mine already plays Intet, so no go there. If I stick to RUG then Riku is my general of choice, got a real soft spot for him from way back. But I'm wondering if white or black are worth it - black gets Yidris though I'm not sure what black cards are even worth using.
With proper set up, one hit of Yidris means your opponent will probably not have another turn. There's a version I saw fueled with extra combat, extra turn, extra untap, and mana rocks, so every spell you cast can net you more turn/mana to cast again. Conqueror's Flail is particularly nasty with its power boost and shut down effect.
I probably wouldn't run him that way. The only thing I dislike on par with infinite combo is extra turn spells. It sounds pretty neat as a voltron-esk build though. I'm happy for Yidris to just smash somebody and trigger a cascade for all my other stuff and leave him at that (ok, maybe a little double strike too)
The Ydris deck comes with some solid Black things. Like In Garruks Wake, Army of the Damned, and Vial Smasher. I threw in things like Sire of Stagnation and Abhorrent Overlord for *****s and giggles. Plenty of powerful Black things to do.
I love Army of the Damned and Vial Smasher, but IGW is an effect I don't like to run.
Sire of Stagnation is a great example of what I'm after. Less keen on the Overlord (especially in 4 colour) but that reminds me Lord of the Void which is absolutely awesome.
Keep the suggestions coming!
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EDH RRGrenzo plays your deck, GGYeva's mono green control, WW9-tails trys desperately for monowhite not to suck RWBUTymna and Kraum's saboteur tribal, UWG Kestia's Enchantress Aggro, RUB Jeleva casts big dumb spells, RGB Vaevictis' big critters can kill your critters hard
Protean Hulk is now unbanned, so you can sleeve that sucker up and ride it to Valuetown. You can grab a free Woodland Bellower when the hulk dies and he comes with a Tireless Tracker to boot!
Huntmaster of the Fells is infamous for nonstop value at an impressively affordable mana cost.
If you decide to go five color, Horde of Notions is a great commander for this strategy simply because it works really well with Maelstrom Wanderer. I've seen this sort of deck in action, and if the engine isn't disrupted quickly, it begins to become more valuable to chain casts and sacrifices than to actually play out your hand.
Yeah, I think if you just want to ride fatties to valuetown, the simplest order of the day is definitely Maelstrom Wanderer, needing no other setup than to be able to cast it(and then it gives your fatties haste). Intet wants topdeck manipulation, Riku is kill-on-sight (for a good reason) in a lot of tables and fragile, and I don't think people will want Ydris to live to a combat step either.
That said, each of them can definitely be fun; for the longest time I had Intet that was pretty much about cheating value fatties to play, everywhich way. Had to devote a good chunk of the deck to making sure I 1.) get to cast Intet in timely manner 2.) get Intet to connect with mana for the ability 3.) have something good on top. But on the flipside... so fun when you get the goodies in play, even if simple ramping might've gotten you there faster.
Edit: Oh yeah, and Horde of Notions 'elemental value' can definitely be a thing.
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Yeah, I really like Maelstrom Wanderer as your option here. Just slam it and watch the value fly on double cascade. I think RUG is the right color combo as well. Genesis Wave, The Great Aurora, Warp World and whoops all permanents? Maybe Primal Surge if you really wanna go there.
I'm looking to make a deck that just vomits values and fatties all over the table, using all the groan inducing, mindlessly good value generators I can find. The current general of choice is Riku of Two Reflections but Yidris is looking tempting as well, and if theres enough value in white (such as Mayael) a five colour deck could be on the table too.
Wondering what your guys suggestions are for cards that just give you lots of mana, cards, or other value every turn?
RRGrenzo plays your deck, GGYeva's mono green control, WW9-tails trys desperately for monowhite not to suck
RWBUTymna and Kraum's saboteur tribal, UWG Kestia's Enchantress Aggro, RUB Jeleva casts big dumb spells, RGB Vaevictis' big critters can kill your critters hard
Arena Standard
UUUU Tempo, since before it was cool
Various Wx decks running Fountain of Renewal and Day of Glory
Anything I can cram Chaos Wand in to
Ydris.
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...yeah Ydris is what you're looking for. Lol
Anyway, one card alone I think is so worth it to go 5cc for: Maelstrom Nexus.
Yeah I just kind of ignored that. Not many counterspells you can use to cascade into rite. Not to mention and also have a second cascade. I just figured he was trying to make a point.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Maelstrom Wanderer is the best at this strategy, by the way. Card is nuts, so much value. All of these generals have their own strategies though so you have to play to your preferences.
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13.BR Creatureless Panharmonicon 14.BR Pingers and Eldrazi 15.URG Untapped Cascading
16.Reyhan, last of the Abzan's WUBG +1/+1 Counter Craziness 17.WUBRG Dragons aka Why did I make this?
Building: The Gitrog Monster lands, Glissa the Traitor stax, Muldrotha, the Gravetide Planeswalker Combo, Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix + Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa Clues, and Tribal Scarecrow Planeswalkers
Fortunately, you're in blue and green. Green gives you Sylvan Library and a few regrowth effects to the top of the library and a few topdeck creature tutors, blue gives you a whole bunch of options (I personally am fond of Soothsaying.), and you have Top. You also have access to Future Sight, Oracle of Mul Daya, Melek, Izzet Paragon, and Garruk's Horde. (And Lantern of Insight, if we must be complete.)
On phasing:
(U/B)(U/B)(U/B) JUMP IN THE LINE, ROCK YOUR BODY IN TIME
(R/W)(R/W)(R/W) RISING FROM THE NEON GLOOM, SHINING LIKE A CRAZY MOON
(U/R)(R/G)(G/U) STEALIN' WHEN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUYIN'
Aye, it's easy to one-shot a player with extra turn taking effects like Time Stretch, putting them back on top with Reclaim and its ilk. Brainstorm is a must for this kind of deck, and Jace, the Mind Sculptor if one could afford it.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
RRGrenzo plays your deck, GGYeva's mono green control, WW9-tails trys desperately for monowhite not to suck
RWBUTymna and Kraum's saboteur tribal, UWG Kestia's Enchantress Aggro, RUB Jeleva casts big dumb spells, RGB Vaevictis' big critters can kill your critters hard
Arena Standard
UUUU Tempo, since before it was cool
Various Wx decks running Fountain of Renewal and Day of Glory
Anything I can cram Chaos Wand in to
With proper set up, one hit of Yidris means your opponent will probably not have another turn. There's a version I saw fueled with extra combat, extra turn, extra untap, and mana rocks, so every spell you cast can net you more turn/mana to cast again. Conqueror's Flail is particularly nasty with its power boost and shut down effect.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
I probably wouldn't run him that way. The only thing I dislike on par with infinite combo is extra turn spells. It sounds pretty neat as a voltron-esk build though. I'm happy for Yidris to just smash somebody and trigger a cascade for all my other stuff and leave him at that (ok, maybe a little double strike too)
I love Army of the Damned and Vial Smasher, but IGW is an effect I don't like to run.
Sire of Stagnation is a great example of what I'm after. Less keen on the Overlord (especially in 4 colour) but that reminds me Lord of the Void which is absolutely awesome.
Keep the suggestions coming!
RRGrenzo plays your deck, GGYeva's mono green control, WW9-tails trys desperately for monowhite not to suck
RWBUTymna and Kraum's saboteur tribal, UWG Kestia's Enchantress Aggro, RUB Jeleva casts big dumb spells, RGB Vaevictis' big critters can kill your critters hard
Arena Standard
UUUU Tempo, since before it was cool
Various Wx decks running Fountain of Renewal and Day of Glory
Anything I can cram Chaos Wand in to
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Huntmaster of the Fells is infamous for nonstop value at an impressively affordable mana cost.
- Rabid Wombat
That said, each of them can definitely be fun; for the longest time I had Intet that was pretty much about cheating value fatties to play, everywhich way. Had to devote a good chunk of the deck to making sure I 1.) get to cast Intet in timely manner 2.) get Intet to connect with mana for the ability 3.) have something good on top. But on the flipside... so fun when you get the goodies in play, even if simple ramping might've gotten you there faster.
Edit: Oh yeah, and Horde of Notions 'elemental value' can definitely be a thing.
R Norin the Wary: I've Got a Bad Feeling About This
UG Thrasios & Kydele: Knowledge is Power
RG Borborygmos Enraged: The Breaking of the World
BG The Gitrog Monster: All Glory to the Hypnotoad
WUR Zedruu the Greathearted: Endless Possibilities, One Outcome
WBG Karador, Ghost Chieftain: What's Dead May Never Die
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